Cheap and best school for IDP!

[dentaldoc]

Hello folks,

I started this thread to rate the dental schools, considering the total expenditures & tution that will cost us when we are once done with the program.

We can also include the loan amount & how much interest we will be paying for it at the end & normally how long it takes to pay back.
People say that we have to pay 50,000$ as the interest, when we take loan for 200,000$.....Is it true!?

The dental schools which has IDP program: (thanks to dds_fight!)

UOP - San Francisco, CA
Stats: 16/ DDS/ 2 Yrs/ 83/ 237/ 120K/ 22K/ 415-929-6688
Selection Process 2003: Didactic Test (ant PFM,3/4 crown with MOD,class 2 MO inlay and class 2 DO), 2 Interviews (30 min each)
Positives: Excellent for Clinicals, Very Professional faculty and staff, Bay Area & Nice SF living
Negatives: High Tuition Cost, Few Seats, Low on Research and PG, High cost of living

UCSF - San Francisco, CA
Stats: 24/ DDS/ 2 Yrs/ 83/ 230/ 100K/ 21K/ 415 476-2737, 415 514 0779
Selection Process 2003: Part 2 kind of written test, Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: Reputed, State School, Bay Area & SF living, Good overall school
Negatives: New Program, Avg Patient Pool, State School(little laid back), Cost of living, Difficult to commute

USCLA - Los Angeles, CA
Stats: 32/ DDS/ 2 Yrs/ Pass/ 250 preferred/ 100K/ 11K/ (213) 740-2841/2851
Selection Process 2003: Didactic Test, Group Discussion, Interview (Not in 2003)
Positives: Reputed, PBL-Problem Based Learning(less theory more clinic), High Patient Pool& Clinicals from Day1, Old & organized IDP program, LA living, Huge Alumni network
Negatives: Going through transition to PBL, Not so safe neighborhood, Cost of living

UCLA - Los Angeles, CA
Stats: 12/ DDS/ 2 Yrs/ Pass/ 220/ 100K/ 20K/ (310) 825-6218
Selection Process 2003: Part 2 kind of written test, Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: Known for research, Easy to get into speciality programs, Reputed, Posh neighborhood, LA living
Negatives: New Program, Very Small Patient pool, Not known for clinicals, High cost of living, Small class

Loma Linda - Loma Linda (80 miles from LA), CA
Stats:16(8 +8)/ DDS/ 1.8 Yrs/ 85/ 213/ 90K/ 0K/ 909 558 4669
Selection Process 2003: Filter 1: Didactic Test (Mostly basic artistic) Filter 2: Interview
Positives: Good Patient Pool, Low Fee, Low Cost of living, Shortest and old program
Negatives: Religious faith enforced as part of the curriculum, non uniform selection process, not a well known name except IDP

UPenn - Philadelphia, PA
Selection Process 2003: 3 Interviews (15 Min each)
Stats:35/ DMD/ 2.3 Yrs/ Pass/ 213/ 100K/ 35K(including prestart program)/ (215) 898-0558
Positives: Well Reputed, Good Clinicals, Diversity in class, Ivy league
Negatives: Not so safe Neighborhood, Unpredictable, Old Technology
Notes: Selection Process emphasizes on Diversity, Unpredictable Selection Process

Tufts - Boston, MA
Stats:14/ DMD/ 2.3 Yrs/ P1 90, PII 85/ 250/ 100K/ 10K/ (617) 636-6639
Selection Process 2003:
Positives:Highly Reputed, Clinical as well as research oriented,
Negatives: Tough to get in, Have not heard many negatives

BostonU - Boston, MA
Selection Process 2003: Short 20 Min Interview
Stats: 65/ DMD/ 2 Yrs/ P1 85/ 250/ 81K/ 15K/ (617)638-4787
Positives: Good patient pool, old program, Cheaper, Student City
Negatives: Big Class, No 1:1 Chairs for students, Limited exposure to clinicals (No clinicals for first 10 months)

UPittsburg - Pittsburg, PA
Selection Process 2003:
Stats: 15/ DMD/ 2.3 Yrs/ P1 90 PII Pass/ 250/ 110K/ 15K(Summer Program)/ (412) 648-8880
Positives: Good Program, Good Place
Negatives:

NYU, New York, NY
Stats: 120/ DDS/ 3 Yrs/ P1 Pass/ 230/ 150K/ 20K/ (212) 998-9317
Selection Process 2003: 2 short Interviews (30 min each)
Positives: Big Class, Extremely good Patient Pool, Big School name, New York Life, Getting good with the new dean
Negatives: Not highly Reputed IDP program, Highest Fee, 3 Years program, High Cost of living

Nova SE, Fort Lauderdale, FL
Stats: Space based(avg 5)/ DMD/ 3 Yrs/ P1 85/ 225/ 110K/ 0K/ 954 262-1101
Selection Process 2003:
Positives: Excellent Facilities, Florida life, Less Expensive
Negatives: New Program, 3 Years, Space Based and not highly defined, Non responsive Admisions Staff

UCOnnecticut, Farmington, CN
Stats: Space based(avg 2)/ DDS/ 3 Yrs/P1 Min 90/ 230/ 110K/ 0K/ 860-679-2175
Selection Process 2003: A lengthy Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: Reputed school with #1 in NBDE scores, Less Expensive
Negatives: 3 Years program, very small and Space based IDP, Pref to Connecticut Residents

Uof Florida - Gainsville, FL
Stats:
Positives: Beautiful Beaches, Decent School
Negatives: Florida Residency Required, Green Card Preferred, 2 Yr program gives only certificate to practice in FL, 4 Yr Program will give DDS, Not so well defined programs, limited Patient pool.

UIllinois - Chicago, IL
Stats: 20/ Certificate/ 2 Yrs/P1 80/ 213/ 80K/ 10K/ 312 996 2873/ IL Residency preferred & Gren Card required.
Selection Process 2003: Part 2 kind of written test, Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: Easy to Get in, OK school, Chicago life
Negatives: Can practice only in IL, No DDS/DMD Degree

Indiana Univ - Indianapolis, IN
Stats: Space based(avg 2)/ DDS/ 3 Yrs/P1 90/ Toefl/ 90K/ 0K/ 317-274-7957/ IN Residency pref.
Selection Process 2003: A lengthy Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: Less Expensive, Good school, Problem Based learning
Negatives: Indiana Residency highest preference, Small & Space based IDP, 3 Years, Problem Based learning

UDetroitMercy - Detroit, MI
Stats: Space based(avg 2)/ DDS/ 3 Yrs/P1 85/ 250/ 110K/ 0K/ 313 993 1000, 800 635 5020, 313 993 1245
Selection Process 2003: Part 2 kind of written test, Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: Low Fee, easy to get with high Toefl and TSE scores, Upcoming school
Negatives: New School, 3 Years, No High Brand, High Toefl and TSE Reqs.

Columbia - New York, NY
Stats: 10/ DDS/ 2.5 Yrs/P1 85/ 250/ 130K/ 10K/ (212) 305-1079
Selection Process 2003: Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: IVY league, New York Life, Good Clinicals and Patient pool, Late Dead line(Although lose 6 months)
Negatives: Cost of living, 2.5 Years, High Fee, Not so safe neighborhood

SUNY, StonyBrook and Buffalo, NY
Stats: Space based(avg 2)/ DDS/ 3 Yrs/P1 85/ 213/ 110K/ 0K/ 631-632-8871 (Stony Brook) and (716) 829-2839 or 1-800-829-1638 (Buffalo); Feb 1st normally Deadline for Stony Brook (email: [email protected]) NY Residency & Gren Card Preferred.
Selection Process 2003: Interview
Positives:
Negatives: Not high Patient pool

Temple - Philadelphia, PA
Stats: 0-4/ DMD/ 2-3 years/ High/ High/ XX/ XX/ XX: Not much Info on this school
Positives: Reputed Institute
Negatives: Not so safe neighborhood

Case Western - Cleveland, OH
Stats: Space based(avg 2)/ DDS/ 2-3 Yrs/85-90/ 213/ 90K/ 0K/ 216 368 2460 / 3200
Selection Process 2003: A Lengthy Didactic Test , Interview
Positives: Extremely good facility, V less expensive
Negatives: 3 years, less known, Small & space based IDP, Not so safe neighborhood

Marquette University
Stats: Space based/ DDS/ 3 Yrs/85/ Toefl 213/ 114K/ 10K/ Selection Process 2003: A Lengthy Didactic Test , Interview
Positives:
Negatives: 3 years, less known, Small & space based IDP

Creighton University
Stats: Space based/ DDS/ 3 Yrs/85/ Toefl 213/ 90K/ 10K/ Selection Process 2003: A Lengthy Didactic Test , Interview
Positives:
Negatives: 3 years, less known, Small & space based IDP

Ok guys let me know what u think of it, I mean It would be nice to hear from the folks who are already in dental school & also those who r starting this yr!
Any inputs will be of great help.
Thanks 🙂

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[dentaldoc]

Hello guys,
After some "search" I found out UOP, USC, UCSF, BU, UPENN, NYU, CWRU are the expensive ones?

What say u guys? 😀 😕
Won't somebody let me know which is cheap & best? (excluding lomalinda, Uni of pitts, & tufts-which requires part2 & uni of illinois)

 

[ToTaLLy_TaSha]

Cheap and best?? Thats a tough combination! 😀

I have to make a few changes to the Penn section of your post... they've toughened up security on campus (we have 3 police precincts (sp?) within a 10 block radius and we can request for police escort whenever lab work keeps us behind in school late. The 'old tech' part is also not very true... we battle DentSim three times a week. 🙁 But we haven't entered the clincs yet, so I can't really defend my position there 100%. And lastly.. unpredictable? I didn't understand in what context you mention that... I'm guessing its during the selection process. As for the cost factor.. it's squeezed me dry, so no comments! 😀

I would say Nova is relatively cheap and I really liked the school (and the state!), but they're very picky and prefer Florida residents. Good luck on your search! 🙂

Tasha

 

[dentaldoc]

THANK U tasha & rajkang for the reply. It always feels really good to see replies(atleast after 340 hits!) 😀

Tasha, regarding the +ves & -ves for each dental school it's really an opinion contributed by dds_fight(sdn member) and it's not me(which shows me as a lazy bum) 😀 . okay do u mind if I ask u, Do u know how much u will be spending for the whole DDS(including living expenses)? & do u have any idea that how long it will take to pay back the loan amount? & have u calculated how much interest amount u will be paying finally?.....Thanks 🙂

Rajkang, Yes I am a dentist in my home country & have 2 yrs of clinical experience. I wish I could join a program which is of short duration & start practicing ASAP, but those schools make it tough by demanding for part2 scores which will cost me one more yr 🙁 . anyways thanks for the input.

Ok guys I am still on the process of calculating the expenses for each dental school, will let u know once I am done with it 😀
It will be really helpfull if the sdn members who r going school/gonna start/who has already done some "research" help me by giving the data
here is the question,
1) DO U KNOW HOW MUCH U R SPENDING FOR THE UR DDS?
THANKS 🙂

 

[dentaldoc]

For Bu:
Tuition for full program is 80,700
Instruments: $9,164
Total for tuition and instruments is $89,864
http://dentalschool.bu.edu/bulletin/Bulletin-DMD.html

http://uclasod.dent.ucla.edu/Admissions/Foreign/PPID/#fee
http://dentistry.ucsf.edu/admissions/admiss_program9.html
For UCSF, tuition is 12,700 per quarter and with minimum 8 quarters. Tuition comes to $1,04,140 with anticipated 5% increase in tuition.
Insturments are $21,472 .
Total for tuition and instruments for UCSF comes to $125,612
Difference between tuition and instruments fees alone for BU and UCSF comes to $35,748, which means UCSF is 40% more expensive compared to BU. UCSF and UCLA seem to be about same expensive.

THANK U RAJ

 

[lasjy]

For Bu:
Tuition for full program is 80,700
Instruments: $9,164
Total for tuition and instruments is $89,864
Difference between tuition and instruments fees alone for BU and UCSF comes to $35,748, which means UCSF is 40% more expensive compared to BU. UCSF and UCLA seem to be about same expensive.

hey rajkang,
any idea what the living cost is is in BU per year and what the entire cost of the course might total too. also when u go for a student visa do they expect u to show costs to cover the full course ( tution + living ) or is it just for a year or semester. 😕

lasjy

 

[gpg]

simple question.....specially for UPenn students....and BU too.....how long approx will it take to repay the loan.......have not yet been able to see a comment about this?

 

[dentaldoc]

Bumping for more inputs! 😀

 

[ToTaLLy_TaSha]

Oops.. sorry for not looking this up earlier.. honest answer: Don't know. I don't really think about how long its going to take me to repay the loan.. I'll just cross that bridge when I get to it! 😀

 

[Chompers]

bump for anymore 2-3 yr int programs....

i hope there are more....

are there...?

step 1 coming up (and maybe step 2 two months after)!

 

[BBGUN]

There is a general misconception here that Upenn is ivy league.For your info it is not.One of the requirement to be in ivy league is to be on east coast(tri state area) and has to be pvt institution,and ofcourse ,lot of other things like having Ivy trees etc.If there was any university in America that was started to compete ivy leagues ,it was only U of chicago.It is not there though.If there is any other university that has reached close to it ,it is STANFORD(CALI),UNC(NC) and RICE (TX).The only reason these universities did not make it is because of their geographical location and UNC is a state uni.Infact,schools like U OF Illinois beats Upenns in terms of education.The simple rationale to use here is that the harder it gets to get in ,the better it is.So ,think with these many international grads ,where do you think Upenn stands.Try ,even talking to the folks at UNC(state),they would let you know what is competition.

 

[gsmm]

i never understood what an ivy league mean..can any one explain?

 

[G.P]

Main Entry: Ivy League
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of a group of long-established eastern U.S. colleges widely regarded as high in scholastic and social prestige
2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the students of Ivy League colleges
🙂

 

[Meggs]

There is a general misconception here that Upenn is ivy league.For your info it is not.One of the requirement to be in ivy league is to be on east coast(tri state area) and has to be pvt institution,and ofcourse ,lot of other things like having Ivy trees etc.If there was any university in America that was started to compete ivy leagues ,it was only U of chicago.It is not there though.If there is any other university that has reached close to it ,it is STANFORD(CALI),UNC(NC) and RICE (TX).The only reason these universities did not make it is because of their geographical location and UNC is a state uni.Infact,schools like U OF Illinois beats Upenns in terms of education.The simple rationale to use here is that the harder it gets to get in ,the better it is.So ,think with these many international grads ,where do you think Upenn stands.Try ,even talking to the folks at UNC(state),they would let you know what is competition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

Ivy League
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Ivy League is a group of eight universities in the northeastern United States. The term Ivy League has connotations of academic excellence as well as a certain amount of elitism. These schools are also sometimes affectionately referred to as "The Ancient Eight."

All of the Ivy League universities share some general characteristics: They are among the most respected, prestigious and well-known universities in the U.S.; they rank within the top one percent of the world's universities in terms of financial endowment; and they attract top-tier students and faculty. The Ivies are also among the oldest universities in the United States?seven of the eight were founded during America's colonial era.

The Ivy League universities are all privately owned and controlled, although many of them receive funding from the federal or state goverments to pursue research. One of the eight, Cornell University, has four state-supported academic units, termed statutory colleges, that are an integral part of the university.

The members of the Ivy League are:

Brown University, in Providence, Rhode Island, founded 1764
Columbia University, in New York, New York, founded 1754 as King's College
Cornell University, in Ithaca, New York, founded 1865
Dartmouth College, in Hanover, New Hampshire, founded 1769
Harvard University, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, college founded 1636, university founded 1780
Princeton University, in Princeton, New Jersey, founded in 1746 as College of New Jersey
University of Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, founded 1740
Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut, founded 1701

 

[gsmm]

thanks for the explaination, but what is the purpose of knowing whether a school is an ivy league or not regarding to foreign trained dentists?

 

[Meggs]

thanks for the explaination, but what is the purpose of knowing whether a school is an ivy league or not regarding to foreign trained dentists?

Ivy league schools (and the ones that aren't but act like one) can afford to be as picky as they want with their admisions requirements, because they know "la creme de la creme" of applicants will choose them as their top choice.

So regardless of what program are you joining, they're picky. That's probably why Sam got so many negative comments about this UPenn interview, but still he managed to get in 😀 . So basically you can't rule them out just 'cause they're ivy league.

Harvard for example won't even take advanced standing students (in dental program) and Columbia requires a minimum of 90 to even take a look at your application.

Also, after you get a degree for one of those schools, that surely boosts up your post graduate application. The name helps.

Got it?

 

[GKG]

Just curious ,which r the one's which aren't Ivy league but ACT LIKE ONE????? 😉 😕

 

[Ann 03]

Just curious ,which r the one's which aren't Ivy league but ACT LIKE ONE????? 😉 😕

😀 i would also like to know 😀 😀

 

[dentaldoc]

Bump 😀 Bump

Do u know how much u will be spending for the whole DDS(including living expenses)? & do u have any idea that how long it will take to pay back the loan amount? & have u calculated how much interest amount u will be paying finally?.....Thanks 🙂

It will be really helpfull if the sdn members who r going school/gonna start/who has already done some "research" help me by giving the data

 

[BBGUN]

Bump 😀 Bump

Do u know how much u will be spending for the whole DDS(including living expenses)? & do u have any idea that how long it will take to pay back the loan amount? & have u calculated how much interest amount u will be paying finally?.....Thanks 🙂

It will be really helpfull if the sdn members who r going school/gonna start/who has already done some "research" help me by giving the data

There are quite a few that act like ivy league.Infact,Upenn med school and the business school are the only tha tis considered ivy league,but still they hold on to the title even if you are applying for regular college.I went through that years back.Same is the case for U OF CHICAGO.Only the business school and med school is on par with ivy,but they still act .But ,then they have the highest number of Nobel laureates than any US university,so goes all the other ones I have mentioned earlier.Infact,on personal tours,I thought Upenn dental school was way behind than Tufts,NYU etc.Its like getting a Harvard dental degree.It is just a regular school ,but the harvard name clicks.Same like John Hopkins,Duke etc.Infact,I personally thought Uconn was an awesome school.There is another way to assess where they stand.Ivy league has certain sports competiton among them .Look for the roster and you will find out who is there and who is not there.At,the end of the day ,it dont matter if you come out of any school,unless you are planning to write a book or something,or aim for Nobel prize.If you pay close attnetion ,they dont call it Ivy league Uni,it is referred to as Ivy league schools.So,not all the schools in a ivy league uni are upto it.Trust me on this,my father is an ivy league grad.So ,like anything else ,dont trust all that you read.America is all about packaging and selling.