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[cotinara]

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So this is a serious question and would love to hear your imput on this. If you did see someone cheat, what would you do?

would you ignore it or would you tell? what if it effects you in the long run? how would you handle it?

 

[54807]

So this is a serious question and would love to hear your imput on this. If you did see someone cheat, what would you do?

would you ignore it or would you tell? what if it effects you in the long run? how would you handle it?

It depends on the situation. Most of the time I just tell the professor how the individual cheated and in the future that method usually is not an option. I've never given a name.

but.....if this person stole your bf or gf or has done anything to piss you off then id go for it!

In all honesty, you gotta be tactful and not be a narc...you can really end up alienating yourself from your classmates.

Does your university not have an anonymous submission? perhaps try your dean's office or office of ethics or something.

 

[DDSY]

Depends on what he/she's cheating on.

Ie, if he's cheating on an exam vs. cheating on a takehome HW vs. cheating on your wife. . . you get my point

 

[StudentDentist]

if you care, report. if you don't care, then don't report.

if reporting, send an anonymous letter to the prof.

 

[litldime]

As a TA, I turned in two ppl in for plagiarism a couple weeks ago.
As a student, about 1 yr ago, I was taking a test and some girl in front of me was flipping through her notes as the test went on. When I was turning in my exam, I simply wrote a note on top of it as I turned it into the professor telling him of what I saw, who did it, and I left.
On friday some kid was trying to copy off my exam I had to calm myself down or I would have turned to him and socked him in the face.
Cold blooded...yes...but you are not breaking the curve, I am 😀

 

[Yellow Snow]

As a TA, I turned in two ppl in for plagiarism a couple weeks ago.
As a student, about 1 yr ago, I was taking a test and some girl in front of me was flipping through her notes as the test went on. When I was turning in my exam, I simply wrote a note on top of it as I turned it into the professor telling him of what I saw, who did it, and I left.
On friday some kid was trying to copy off my exam I had to calm myself down or I would have turned to him and socked him in the face.
Cold blooded...yes...but you are not breaking the curve, I am 😀

I think these are pretty appropriate reactions. Some classes the cheating is just out of control.

 

[Nasem]

you guys.... we have to be political here ~

Cheaters are the best types of people who want to get into dental schools. I wish 99% of students were all cheaters. I wouldn't even tell on them nor get them in trouble. I would simply shut my mouth and let them fall hard on thier own and WHEN they do (not if), A LOT of opens spots will be open for other pre-dents who are honest and hard working 🙂

Think about it, if there are only 100 students applying and 99% of them are cheaters, most of them will be rejected WHEN cought and probebly never be accepted into any other school EVER (then we'll have lotta open spots right there)

My pre-professional advisor once told a story of a girl who wanted to get into optometry school, she cheated on her Letters of Rec, she wrote them her self and got cought, they banned her from ALL schools in USA.

Now if you go around and "tell" on people, no one will forgive you, esspecially your own self. You'll feel bad regardless of how you might think of it ~ "oh I don't care, cheaters needs to be punished" attitude will never let you be a happy dentist, you have to learn to see things go wrong and ACCEPT THEM, its the only way to be 100% happy with your self. You know how many things go wrong in our world ???? millions on top of millions of things go wrong every day, but what can we do ? we have to accept that fact and live happy with our lifes

The only way to end cheating is by letting a few individuals FALL HARD and make an example so no one will walk that path.... just my 2 cents

 

[armorshell]

I think the appropriate response is to anonymously turn the person in, and if that's not possible, at least discreetly.

 

[Clover]

you guys.... we have to be political here ~

Cheaters are the best types of people who want to get into dental schools. I wish 99% of students were all cheaters. I wouldn't even tell on them nor get them in trouble. I would simply shut my mouth and let them fall hard on thier own and WHEN they do (not if), A LOT of opens spots will be open for other pre-dents who are honest and hard working 🙂

Think about it, if there are only 100 students applying and 99% of them are cheaters, most of them will be rejected WHEN cought and probebly never be accepted into any other school EVER (then we'll have lotta open spots right there)

My pre-professional advisor once told a story of a girl who wanted to get into optometry school, she cheated on her Letters of Rec, she wrote them her self and got cought, they banned her from ALL schools in USA.

Now if you go around and "tell" on people, no one will forgive you, esspecially your own self. You'll feel bad regardless of how you might think of it ~ "oh I don't care, cheaters needs to be punished" attitude will never let you be a happy dentist, you have to learn to see things go wrong and ACCEPT THEM, its the only way to be 100% happy with your self. You know how many things go wrong in our world ???? millions on top of millions of things go wrong every day, but what can we do ? we have to accept that fact and live happy with our lifes

The only way to end cheating is by letting a few individuals FALL HARD and make an example so no one will walk that path.... just my 2 cents

while this social darwinism might work in some situations, academically, some people are able to fall through the cracks. if even one person is able to cheat their way through med/dental school, you end up with patients that suffer because of this.

i think an email to the professor or a note just to give them a heads up. then it's out of your hands as to what they do with that information. but i think there is a moral obligation to yourself, your fellow students who honestly studied and to future patients of the cheater to at least bring the situation to light.

 

[geometric-pain]

i think there is a moral obligation to yourself, your fellow students who honestly studied and to future patients of the cheater to at least bring the situation to light.

Not to mention you paid the bill to go to school!
I would have no problem narcing on the person right then and there and in front of everyone. People who cheat ruin the reputation of not only themselves but everyone involved in the program of study. Look at the cheating scandels at new jersey and vegas and ask yourself how you would feel when, in reponse to you telling someone you graduated from either of those schools, that person responds by saying "isn't that the school with all the cheaters?" You are guilty by implication. Harsh, but reality. I could care less if you don't like me after that. I'm a big boy and don't need to be buddy-buddy with cheaters!

 

[You]

This is a political double-jagged sword. It also depends how you define "cheating" and by who or what standard. Some definition can include everyone on it and many little things in life that you did. If it's by dictionary.com def..."to fool", then that one definitely include everyone whether they know it or not. It also depends on cultures. i.e. in certain island...marrying multiple wives is accepted in their culture. Even our ex-president Bill Clinton does his charade. Some people even consider using student aid material a form of cheating...so what's more correct? At national level, between nations they "do things" i.e. spy to get an advantage all the times...so who's cheating who? Even religion cheating God and kills each other in history justifying themselves as "justifiable in the name of God" - so who's more correct? At family level, there are countless little things that we all did that didn't want our parents to know...in "a good way" of course. At personal level...we all cut traffics all the time from little to extreme and when get caught, society lets us pay an fine and forgive them...so why should we condemn others when a part of our society forgive other form of cheating? I did not report back when someone try to copy of me. Just a different .01999 cents.

Who lies more? Men or Women?

 

[Nasem]

Clover & geometric-pain
There is nothing wrong with your responses, but the real moral problem here is not "narcing on cheaters" and "cheaters must go to hell". If you narc on a cheater then all you do is make them smarter the next time around so they become less obvious and better at it..... so you don't wanna do that.

What you do is let them fall hard, let them enjoy thier moments of cheatingness, and they'll fall hard on thier own. No real cheater is ever an honest man, no matter how far they advance in life, they will eventually cheat again and fall hard they shall and WHEN they do, it will be an example set to ALL others who think about cheating.

Letting 1 cheater fall hard will set an example to tens of thousands of others who never attempt to cheat. But narc on 5 students and all you do is make them hurt for the moment but eventually they will bounce back and this time.... they'll be smarter and more effecient.

 

[geometric-pain]

Althought I agree that eventually it will catch up with them, I think that you are not being honest with yourself if you don't take a stand. They can get as smart as they like, but if they do it infront of me I will let them know how I feel. Regardless of the situation. However, some situations require more tact than others (ie - your buddy is cheating on his wife).

 

[cotinara]

While the moral and "how do i feel about myself" concepts come into play, the true question is if you see someone cheat on a test (making it more specific) do you, or don't you tell?

Nasem I understand where you are coming from and the idea of let them crash and burn in due time to feel the error in their ways, but at the same time what if they never fall hard? cheating is cheating in whatever light you put it. be it the kid who always cheats b/c he never studies or the person who does it once in their life b/c its the most important test of their life. Either they get by without getting caught or they get caught. in the long run, more often than not it will come back to 'haunt' them (used in a very light sense).
Geo-metric pain- i totally agree with you on both counts. i don't want to be associated with that dilemma of a cheating school, it can screw things up royally. also, if informing a teacher or whomever of a cheater it needs true tact.

 

[litldime]

A friend of mine told me this weekend about a girl he personally knew who cheated all through out her undergrad. Managed to enter pharmacy school, continued to cheat and somehow passed her boards 😱 she started working at walgreens and was dispensing and giving ppl the wrong drugs and drugs in wrong amounts. She ended up being fired about 3 months after working and her liscence (sp) was revoked. Who knows if she hurt some ppl?
In this case, I think someone should have reported her for cheating all those years and maybe ppl wouldn't have been hurt. This is a case where cheating hurts everyone- the company she works for and the clients, plus the dumb girl. what a *****!
LD

 

[Clover]

While the moral and "how do i feel about myself" concepts come into play, the true question is if you see someone cheat on a test (making it more specific) do you, or don't you tell?

for me, yes. i was proctoring an exam as a TA - was put in that situation earlier today. silly girl was flipping through her cell phone during the test. I did my duty and informed her as well as a professor. what the professor did/did not do is out of my hands. I'd do the same thing if I were taking the exam alongside her.

the bottom line is it's a question of what standard you hold yourself and others up to - not as a way to judge them but as not letting yourself be surrounded by mediocrity.

i mean, this is more philosophical than most people care for but more practically, if you allow those around you to sink, you ruin your reputation as well just like the examples of schools with cheating.

 

[Loodidoo]

So this is a serious question and would love to hear your imput on this. If you did see someone cheat, what would you do?

would you ignore it or would you tell? what if it effects you in the long run? how would you handle it?

Though technically there shouldn't be a difference (if we're talking about absolute morality), I think people's answers might be different based on who that "someone" is. Assuming that you're one of those people who have no qualms about turning people in, isn't it much easier to turn in some random stranger cheating off of you than it is to turn in your good friend doing the same thing? In theory it shouldn't be, but I think the reality in which we live makes most concepts of morality circumstantial.

 

[DentalBoarder]

A friend of mine told me this weekend about a girl he personally knew who cheated all through out her undergrad. Managed to enter pharmacy school, continued to cheat and somehow passed her boards 😱 she started working at walgreens and was dispensing and giving ppl the wrong drugs and drugs in wrong amounts. She ended up being fired about 3 months after working and her liscence (sp) was revoked. Who knows if she hurt some ppl?
In this case, I think someone should have reported her for cheating all those years and maybe ppl wouldn't have been hurt. This is a case where cheating hurts everyone- the company she works for and the clients, plus the dumb girl. what a *****!
LD

haha nice story. it sounds so fabricated, but it sure gets the msg across. report cheaters!