Chiropractors are doctors too

[deleted500612]

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Says so right in the newspaper...

 

[Jabbed]

Good thing nobody reads newspapers anymore.

On another note, I wonder what percentage of vertebral artery dissections are caused by chiropractors..

 

[DermViser]

Seriously, who reads a newspaper now? Funny, they get a different occupational license than other physicians get.

 

[NontradCA]

Haha @Winged Scapula loves chiropractors.

 

[fancymylotus]

Haha @wingedscapula loves chiropractors.

you did it wrong 😛

 

[NontradCA]

you did it wrong 😛

What emoticon did I use? Sorry, I'm too old for technology (as my classmates would say).

 

[fancymylotus]

What emoticon did I use? Sorry I'm too old for technology (as my classmates would say)

Its @Winged Scapula

 

[HoboCommander]

this seriously needs to be stopped

 

[NontradCA]

Its @Winged Scapula

Ohhh. They're all the same to me 😵

 

[NontradCA]

this seriously needs to be stopped

Right? Soon we'll have dentists thinking they're physicians as well.

 

[costales]

That's pretty subluxated.

 

[fancymylotus]

Right? Soon we'll have dentists thinking they're physicians as well.

Listen short coat.....bring me a drink!

 

[HoboCommander]

this is why DO and MD needs to be merged into a single degree to avoid confusion, otherwise DC can claim to be physicians too

 

[anbuitachi]

this reminds me of 2 and a half men

 

[deleted500612]

Right? Soon we'll have dentists thinking they're physicians as well.

Physiotherapists are beginning to shift toward doctorate programs now as well... only a matter of time before they hop onboard the "hey I'm a physician too" bandwagon.

 

[NontradCA]

Listen short coat.....bring me a drink!

Of ebola water.

 

[NontradCA]

Physiotherapists are beginning to shift to doctorate programs now as well... only a matter of time before they hop onboard the "hey I'm a physician too" bandwagon.

What bothers me are nurses. They don't even take care of the patients anymore, they have the lvn subservients or MAs do their work. At least you're not forced to work alongside chiropractors and converse with them.

 

[link2swim06]

Yes they are doctors of something.

But that is not western medicine. Apart from idiots I think everyone knows this.

 

[fancymylotus]

Of ebola water.

I was thinking a vodka martini, actually.

 

[fancymylotus]

My mother takes the dog to the chiropractor..

 

[NontradCA]

Yes they are doctors of something.

But that is not western medicine. Apart from idiots I think everyone knows this.

Yea, but then after 12 months of chiropractic visits to treat their arthritis, they need joint replacement.

 

[fancymylotus]

I have a few chiropractor patients who insist on me calling them doctor.

Their wives are also lunatics, one told me that she needs to put herself into a "trance state" before visiting the dentist and that the articaine "bruised her kidneys"

 

[Rirruto]

Is a chiropractor-induced injury considered iatrogenic? Or does the term "iatrogenic" imply that the intervention was actually medical in nature?

 

[deleted500612]

Yes they are doctors of something.

But that is not western medicine. Apart from idiots I think everyone knows this.

A lot of average people outside of the healthcare field do not always know this though, and that becomes a pretty big issue when someone asks the question "are chiropractors real doctors" (clearly implying a medical doctor by use of the world 'real') and the chiropractor then proceeds to tell them that he is in fact a medical doctor. Last I checked impersonating a professional without proper qualifications was illegal.

 

[deleted500612]

My mother takes the dog to the chiropractor..

Lol you can't be serious

 

[fancymylotus]

Lol you can't be serious

and also to the acupuncturist.

i have one of those histrionic high-strung drama queen types as a mother. so, its not really all that surprising. ha

 

[username456789]

Yes they are doctors of something.

But that is not western medicine. Apart from idiots I think everyone knows this.

You're underestimating the percentage of Americans who are idiots.

 

[username456789]

I have a few chiropractor patients who insist on me calling them doctor.

Their wives are also lunatics, one told me that she needs to put herself into a "trance state" before visiting the dentist and that the articaine "bruised her kidneys"

Usually, it's the individuals who are the least qualified to bear the title who are most likely to adamantly insist that you address them as such.

 

[Doudline]

Flashnews #1: anyone who holds a doctoral degree is a doctor.
Flashnews #2: academics were called "doctors" well before the medical profession was established.

 

[DermViser]

and also to the acupuncturist.

i have one of those histrionic high-strung drama queen types as a mother. so, its not really all that surprising. ha

Your dog sees an acupunturist? 😆😆😆 I swear your dog has it better than most of us.

 

[fancymylotus]

Flashnews #1: anyone who holds a doctoral degree is a doctor.
Flashnews #2: academics were called "doctors" well before the medical profession was established.

Yeah, but most of us, even the ones who are typically CALLED doctor by..I dunno..mainstream society..dont douche-ily remind people of this over and over and over

 

[DocVapor]

Flashnews #1: anyone who holds a doctoral degree is a doctor.
Flashnews #2: academics were called "doctors" well before the medical profession was established.

Flashnews #3:

 

[username456789]

Flashnews #3:

Flashnews #4: it's "newsflash."

 

[fancymylotus]

Flashnews #4: it's "newsflash."

I like you.

 

[D4C]

Flashnews #4: it's "newsflash."

Flashnews #5: In Soviet Russia, news flashes you!

 

[Doudline]

Flashnews #4: it's "newsflash."

You sassy thing.

 

[gree]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctor...ollars-unpaid-student-loans/story?id=26376289

The media and the government certainly think so.
About 10% on the deadbeat list are "real" doctors. The majority on the list are CHM (not chemists with Ph.D. ).

Incidentally, if these are the worst write-offs accumulated over many years, I have to say that the education loan business has to be the most profitable lending enterprise ever invented.

 

[Wordead]

Flashnews #1: anyone who holds a doctoral degree is a doctor.
Flashnews #2: academics were called "doctors" well before the medical profession was established.

Swastikas were totes peaceful before the germans got ahold of them, why can't I use them now? The meaning couldn't possibly have changed over time, right?

 

[spik]

this is why DO and MD needs to be merged into a single degree to avoid confusion, otherwise DC can claim to be physicians too

Yes. I think all osteopathic schools should be converted to allopathic, and DO degree should be eliminated to avoid confusion.

 

[Psai]

Flashnews #1: anyone who holds a doctoral degree is a doctor.
Flashnews #2: academics were called "doctors" well before the medical profession was established.

any doctoral degree that's still a masters program but changed their name in the last 20 years is not actually a doctoral degree

 

[HoboCommander]

Yes. I think all osteopathic schools should be converted to allopathic, and DO degree should be eliminated to avoid confusion.

Definitely

 

[PikminOC]

There are many chiro programs that are 4 years long only. Right after high school.

The number of years has nothing to do with being a doctor.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Haha @Winged Scapula loves chiropractors.

I don't hate chiropractors per se, on an individual basis, I just hate the subterfuge they (as a group) tend to use to hide or inflate their academic credentials and efficacy of their "treatments".

My hometown is swarming with them and I can verify that every single one of those guys was a mediocre high school student, none of whom got into a 4 year university (this was at the time when you only went to a JC/CC if you couldn't get into a university), and now act like they're some big shots, insisting on being called Doctor with their 4 year Chiro degree. All the while probably paralyzing babies and @fancymylotus 's dog.

 

[Baller MD]

Vertebral artery dissection and cerebellar infarction following chiropractic manipulation

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2564146/

 

[Baller MD]

 

[Kaustikos]

Vertebral artery dissection and cerebellar infarction following chiropractic manipulation

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2564146/

Sweet. More vascular consults!

Or wait.. Neurosurgery.
Whatever.
Sweet. More surgery consults!

 

[The Kraken]

Vertebral artery dissection and cerebellar infarction following chiropractic manipulation

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2564146/

While I agree chiro is essentially pseudoscience, arguing the incidence of VAD as a reason to not get chiro manipulations isn't looking at our own profession. Highest reported incidence of 1 in 40,000 in literature is tremendously low and is so blown out of proportion.

If we're arguing to follow evidence, don't make exceptions. Chiro has a small niche that it has exceeded and needs to be addressed, but stop with the VAD argument.

 

[deleted500612]

Flashnews #1: anyone who holds a doctoral degree is a doctor.
Flashnews #2: academics were called "doctors" well before the medical profession was established.

Flashnews [sic] #3: In the context of healthcare, when a lay person asks if a chiropractor is a "real doctor", they are clearly asking if they are a medical doctor.

 

[Southplains]

While I agree chiro is essentially pseudoscience, arguing the incidence of VAD as a reason to not get chiro manipulations isn't looking at our own profession. Highest reported incidence of 1 in 40,000 in literature is tremendously low and is so blown out of proportion.

If we're arguing to follow evidence, don't make exceptions. Chiro has a small niche that it has exceeded and needs to be addressed, but stop with the VAD argument.

I'm all for discrediting DCs, but these horrible complications aren't the best way to do it. Their only way to help people being almost entirely placebo is such low hanging fruit it should be just fine.

 

[Psyche Estrelle]

I think people appropriately make the VAD argument because there is no solid evidence that neck manipulation helps anyone in any way. What it DOES do bring them considerable and highly unnecessary risk. That is exactly what we try to avoid in conventional medicine. It's not just about the numbers. How would you feel if your wife was paralyzed and you knew that the treatment she got had zero evidence of benefit (even though it was pitched by her "doctor" as such)?? That would never fly in conventional medicine (not talking about fringe providers here, just standard of practice). Yes, it's an emotional argument but I feel it's prudent especially because the grand majority of lay people who don't know any better do certainly believe that chiropractors are "real doctors" and are regulated as such by the government.