CHOP C&A fellowship?

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Hi everyone- Currently a PGY3 applying for the C&A fellowship match this year. Anybody know anything about the CHOP program? Moving to Philadelphia is a strong consideration for me for family reasons.

Any thoughts appreciated! Thanks 🙂

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Hi everyone- Currently a PGY3 applying for the C&A fellowship match this year. Anybody know anything about the CHOP program? Moving to Philadelphia is a strong consideration for me for family reasons.

Any thoughts appreciated! Thanks 🙂

In general, I would say the CHOP child fellowship is not as well regarded as CHOP for pediatrics or Penn for adult psychiatry. That said, depending on you career goals, it doesn't mean it couldn't be a good program for you, or that it doesn't provide good training.
 
One of the absolute worse doctors I've ever met my entire career was a CHOP graduate. There was evidence the guy was double-dipping (illegally working at more than one location at the same time), merely just driving to work, having the resident do everything, and all he did was sign the notes and then he'd leave. When bad outcomes occurred, he tried to pin the blame on the resident even though he wasn't there to supervise the resident.

As a chief resident, and after months of several near dangerous to dangerous events occurring that would've been prevented had he simply been doing his job, and because no one in my program seemed to be doing anything about it, I asked him just why he wasn't on the hospital grounds during his required hours.

He told me that being an attending was an honor that he earned through hard work and that he earned the right to exploit that position for financial gain. He then told me that I would soon join the club and he wanted me to feel welcome do to similar acts.

Well let's just say I ended the conversation there. I didn't bring in a wire to record the guy, I wasn't going to deck him (though I wanted to do so), and the guy was doing his deeds for months and I didn't really see anyone in the program doing anything to stop him. (More to this story, but I'll end it here for the purposes of the original question in the thread).

Now does this mean the program is bad? No. It could be that he did enough of a half-assed job to make it by to graduate, but it does make me wonder just WTF was going on with that program and this particular doctor. Was he actually doing a decent job as a fellow there? I don't know. I just know that this guy was terrible, sometimes he came onto the unit stinking (obviously from lack of bathing), and he seemed stoned pretty much everytime I saw him.
 
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Thanks for the responses Whopper and BillyPilgrim. I had mixed feelings after my interview day, but was surprised given the great peds reputation.
 
Just goes to show you that despite the name, a program may not be good. As I've said countless times, though not for awhile on this forum, my younger brother got into several Ivy Leagues for art but went to the program that really was the best for what he wanted to do, Pasadena School of Design. Had he gone to Yale or Cornell the laymen might've been more impressed because they haven't heard of Pasadena's school that is light years ahead of others if you want to go into animation, video games, or film.

And that's not to take away from programs in a place with a good name but are good programs.

Anyways, about that guy I mentioned, he later was demoted, had his assistant PD title stripped, and was told to stop his shenanigans or be fired, but this was only the result of me bringing up this up to channels above the program, a new department head being hired at one of the two locations where the residency was based and she wasn't going tolerate this bull, and several staff members and even attendings (but only at one of the locations) backing what I said. It shouldn't have gone as far as it did. The only honest answer I got during this fiasco that lasted about a year was someone high up in the hospital told me of several political issues and a lack of availability of psychiatrists and why they just couldn't fire this guy. I was willing to accept that, but when it was brought out to others, they just got ticked with me...despite that patients were being put into dangerous situations because of this guy. (e.g. patient goes into seizure and the resident doesn't know what to do and this guy's not around to see that the right care happened).

I wasn't so vocal about it on the forum while I was a chief because I was still trying to figure out why the program wasn't doing anything about it, and by the time I left, the new dept head actually tried to fix it the way it should've been. It's also one of a few reasons why I wasn't so keen on going back to the alma mater despite getting an offer and some staff members I considered good friends asking me to come back.

Besides, the one clinical scenario I liked the best at the hospital where I trained was inpatient, and if I worked there, I'd have to work side-by-side with the guy or demand he be fired before I ever worked there again. I'm not going to do that when I got plenty of other offers from people and institutions I highly respect.
 
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