Cincinnati vs. UIC

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***Edit: I forgot to include in the original post that the tuition, in this case, is essentially the same at both schools***

Hello, I really enjoyed visiting both of these programs and I am having a difficult time trying to decide between them. I was hoping to get others' thoughts, or hear about considerations I might have overlooked, related to these schools. I just want to make sure I've considered this thoroughly before making a decision for the next four years. Thank you!

Cincinnati


Pros:
  • Low cost of living
  • CCHMC
  • Strong research opportunities through CCHMC
  • Supportive environment
  • High Step 1 scores
Cons
  • Smaller city, less to do potentially
  • Quartile rankings
  • Old university hospital

University of Illinois-Chicago

Pros:
  • Big city with lots to do
  • Supportive environment
  • Work with diverse patient populations
  • P/F
  • Newer university hospital
Cons:
  • Higher cost of living
  • Not the greatest location
  • Medical school facilities seemed a bit more dated

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Just to clarify here, I actually think UIC is in a pretty great location. It's located on the Near West Side/Little Italy/University Village area in the Illinois Medical District, which is very affordable for students (should be able to get a 2-bedroom apartment with a roommate for <$800). Also, it's definitely a safe area, there's a lot of medically related stuff going on here. You also really good access to downtown via Blue/Pink Line or any of the CTA buses, so in terms of location, I actually think UIC offers a great environment for students, with good access to downtown while also giving you exposure to health disparities from various underprivileged communities in Chicago!
 
Do you have scholarships at UIC? They are one of the most expensive medical schools in the country so no scholarships + OOS = 110k debt per year. No medical school is worth that much over another IMHO
 
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Just to clarify here, I actually think UIC is in a pretty great location. It's located on the Near West Side/Little Italy/University Village area in the Illinois Medical District, which is very affordable for students (should be able to get a 2-bedroom apartment with a roommate for <$800). Also, it's definitely a safe area, there's a lot of medically related stuff going on here. You also really good access to downtown via Blue/Pink Line or any of the CTA buses, so in terms of location, I actually think UIC offers a great environment for students, with good access to downtown while also giving you exposure to health disparities from various underprivileged communities in Chicago!
Thanks for the input! I definitely did not get to explore the area as much as I would've liked, so I appreciate the information.

Do you have scholarships at UIC? They are one of the most expensive medical schools in the country so no scholarships + OOS = 110k debt per year. No medical school is worth that much over another IMHO
This was something I forgot to address in my post. In my case, the tuition difference is negligible. With that, do you have any thoughts on the schools?
 
Assuming tuition is similar, go with your gut. I personally would pick Cinci due to higher rankings. Chicago will be more fun, but as a med student you prob won't have much time to go out that often. Plus, cost of living in Chicago is expensive so going out costs $$$.
 
I think Cinci as long as you don't mind living in Cinci over Chicago.
Thanks for offering your opinion! Any particular reason in your mind for Cinci?

Assuming tuition is similar, go with your gut. I personally would pick Cinci due to higher rankings. Chicago will be more fun, but as a med student you prob won't have much time to go out that often. Plus, cost of living in Chicago is expensive so going out costs $$$.
Thanks! That's definitely been something I've been mulling over. Chicago is definitely alluring, but, as you said, I'm not sure how much I'd be able to take advantage of that.
 
Not super pricy (68.5k per year as OOS average), Peds hospitsl + research, better ranking, cheaper living plus Cinci seems decent as a city, new facilities, high step scores, no lake effect, students seemed chill.

It's a shame Cinci does quartile P/F. Although I've heard over and over from students that it doesn't matter. But I bet it does a little lol
 
I literally see no reason to choose Cinn over UIC. I feel like people are voting without even knowing either school.

There's nothing about Cinn that's significantly better than UIC, like literally nothing.

1) UIC is true P/F. No sane individual will ever be able to legitimately argue that TRUE P/F is not better than any other sort of curriculum in medical school. There's a reason why 2/3 of medical schools currently have switched to some sort of P/F and many more are following suit. I, and many others, can tell you firsthand how beautiful true P/F is. The magnitude of decreased stress is something many of these older medical school students, residents, and attendings will never be able to comprehend. Those who say "it doesn't matter" are literally those who have never experienced it in the first place.

2) Cinn is 44/56 in regards to ranking and UIC is 52/67. The "difference" in both categories is negligible therefore it's literally a non-factor. Also, since research ranking is, well, partly based on funding then the fact that both schools are so close to each other obviously means there isn't a significant difference in research opportunities. This is honestly the case when it comes to all mid-tier schools. If you want to do research you will have zero troubles at either school.

3) Supportive environment is very subjective. The only quantifiable part of that is how many people actually graduate and ultimately match. The match rate at UIC is ~95% with a Chicago-campus population of 190 students (just above the national average of ~94%). I'm sure Cinn is basically the same. Therefore, another non-factor.

4) Chicago is a much better place to live in hands down. Let's see: Relocating next to the downtown area of the third largest city in the country that's beside Lake Michigan and is home to an incredibly diverse patient population, enormous variety of hospitals/clinics, wide array of different foods/social activities or.....Cincinnati. Speaks for itself. You're not going to be studying 24/7 in medical school. Also, Chicago costs more to live in but in the grand scheme of things a couple hundred dollars a month is not going to make any sort of discernible difference when you're already shelling out six figures for COA over 4-years. Choose your mental health and sanity over saving "pennies" especially since you literally said tuition costs would be similar for both schools in your case.

4.5) In case anyone tries to bring up some BS "safety" argument here are two sources about how Cinn and Chicago stack up to each other. Crime Rate Comparison: Cincinnati Vs. Chicago & Comparison: Cincinnati, Ohio - Chicago, Illinois. Additionally, as a medical student you will literally not even be in the vicinity of where the vast majority of crimes occur.

5) UIC's step 1 scores last year were 233 (average of all 3 campuses) so unless Cinn is pulling like a 240+ this is also a non-factor. To be honest, board scores should never be a top factor for deciding between schools unless there's a big discrepancy. In which case you would need to take a better look at the lower school's curriculum and whatnot. Ultimately, you determine how well you do on Step 1 not the school. Most people don't even utilize their school material over B&B, Pathoma, First Aid, UWorld, Rx, Kaplan, Sketchy, Physeo, and Osmosis.

Assuming tuition is similar, go with your gut. I personally would pick Cinci due to higher rankings. Chicago will be more fun, but as a med student you prob won't have much time to go out that often. Plus, cost of living in Chicago is expensive so going out costs $$$.

There's literally <10 spots difference in ranking lol so using that as a factor is irrelevant.
 
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I literally see no reason to choose Cinn over UIC. I feel like people are voting without even knowing either school.

There's nothing about Cinn that's significantly better than UIC, like literally nothing.

1) UIC is true P/F. No sane individual will ever be able to legitimately argue that TRUE P/F is not better than any other sort of curriculum in medical school. There's a reason why 2/3 of medical schools currently have switched to some sort of P/F and many more are following suit. I, and many others, can tell you firsthand how beautiful true P/F is. The magnitude of decreased stress is something many of these older medical school students, residents, and attendings will never be able to comprehend. Those who say "it doesn't matter" are literally those who have never experienced it in the first place.

2) Cinn is 44/56 in regards to ranking and UIC is 52/67. The "difference" in both categories is negligible therefore it's literally a non-factor. Also, since research ranking is, well, partly based on funding then the fact that both schools are so close to each other obviously means there isn't a significant difference in research opportunities. This is honestly the case when it comes to all mid-tier schools. If you want to do research you will have zero troubles at either school.

3) Supportive environment is very subjective. The only quantifiable part of that is how many people actually graduate and ultimately match. The match rate at UIC is ~95% with a Chicago-campus population of 190 students (just above the national average of ~94%). I'm sure Cinn is basically the same. Therefore, another non-factor.

4) Chicago is a much better place to live in hands down. Let's see: Relocating next to the downtown area of the third largest city in the country that's beside Lake Michigan and is home to an incredibly diverse patient population, enormous variety of hospitals/clinics, wide array of different foods/social activities or.....Cincinnati. Speaks for itself. You're not going to be studying 24/7 in medical school. Also, Chicago costs more to live in but in the grand scheme of things a couple hundred dollars a month is not going to make any sort of discernible difference when you're already shelling out six figures for COA over 4-years. Choose your mental health and sanity over saving "pennies" especially since you literally said tuition costs would be similar for both schools in your case.

4.5) In case anyone tries to bring up some BS "safety" argument here are two sources about how Cinn and Chicago stack up to each other. Crime Rate Comparison: Cincinnati Vs. Chicago & Comparison: Cincinnati, Ohio - Chicago, Illinois. Additionally, as a medical student you will literally not even be in the vicinity of where the vast majority of crimes occur.

5) UIC's step 1 scores last year were 233 (average of all 3 campuses) so unless Cinn is pulling like a 240+ this is also a non-factor. To be honest, board scores should never be a top factor for deciding between schools unless there's a big discrepancy. In which case you would need to take a better look at the lower school's curriculum and whatnot. Ultimately, you determine how well you do on Step 1 not the school. Most people don't even utilize their school material over B&B, Pathoma, First Aid, UWorld, Rx, Kaplan, Sketchy, Physeo, and Osmosis.



There's literally <10 spots difference in ranking lol so using that as a factor is irrelevant.
Thanks for giving such a detailed response, I really appreciate it! Would you mind sharing a bit about how your experience has been with the curriculum Illinois uses?
 
Sorry to bump this, but I was still hoping to hear more opinions and insights about these schools. Also, I edited the original post to mention that tuition is essentially the same in my case. I imagine leaving that out might have impacted earlier perspectives.
 
Sorry to bump this, but I was still hoping to hear more opinions and insights about these schools. Also, I edited the original post to mention that tuition is essentially the same in my case. I imagine leaving that out might have impacted earlier perspectives.

If tuition is negligible then choose based on location. Otherwise the schools are very similar and will give you similar opportunities. Are you attending second look for them? That might help you decide.
 
Sorry to bump this, but I was still hoping to hear more opinions and insights about these schools. Also, I edited the original post to mention that tuition is essentially the same in my case. I imagine leaving that out might have impacted earlier perspectives.

With the broad strokes, these schools are remarkably similar in opportunities. How did you feel when you visited these institutions? Is there a gut feeling one way or another? Are there any personal reasons (e.g. significant other, family) that might impact your decision? Will you be able to attend second look? Have you delved deeper into what clerkships look like and how they are graded? (subjective, shelf exams, etc).

For instance, Cinci has one of the longest pediatric rotations at 8 weeks. This is probably because they want to capitalize on the strength of their 2nd ranked children's hospital. Not all grads go into peds, but looking at the match list it appears to be more than the average medical school. Do you have any idea what specialty you want to pursue? If so, comparing residency programs might be useful. For example, Cinci has a top-ranked EM residency (one of the first) with unique clerkship opportunities like AirCare. Students have mentioned to me that with CCHMC you can get exposure to top programs in any pediatric subspecialty. But how much autonomy will you get when your patients are mostly children? From my discussions with residents and students (not specifically at Cinci mind you) I can tell you that you tend to have less responsibility with pediatric patients in general.

Most advisors agree that Step score shouldn't be a deciding factor. However, in recent years Cinci has jumped from an average step I of 230s to 240s! (most recently 242). That is on par with likes of Duke, Stanford, and WashU. Yes, your step score (from what I've been told) is ultimately up to you, but when you see a jump like this, that speaks to more than the individual students. It says something about the school and how they support their students.

One remark about diversity. Chicago is a diverse city in general; there is no doubt about that. However, I wouldn't be so sure that the patient population is much more diverse than Cincinnati. Demographically, Cincinnati actually has a split that is incredibly similar to Chicago. Though diversity certainly includes more than ethnicity, consider that Cincinnati boasts an African-American population of ~40%. That said, with regard to faculty and peers, my impression is that UIC actually does have more diversity than Cinci.

In the end, you have two excellent choices. For whatever it's worth, I was accepted to both, yet I withdrew from UIC last week due to cost. Your decision won't be so easy. Good luck.
 
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