Class of 2012

[Pharmgrlnxdor]

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At the end of this last academic year, my faculty adviser took half a dozen of his students (including me) out to lunch. During the lunch he indicated that the entire class of 2012 had been able to find jobs. This particular adviser also happens to be in charge of the APPE rotations. I imagine that not being offered a job is not necessarily something most grads would want to publicize so I knew that 100% employment was unlikely, especially in this job climate. This conclusion was further solidified when I mentioned this discussion to a group of my classmates (2014 Pharm.D candidates) and was told by several with ties to the 2012 class that in fact they knew of several classmates that had not been offered jobs.

This poll is directed to members of the graduating class of 2012. Please take a moment to consider your graduating class.

How many people can you think of that you know for sure were offered a position vs. how many people you know of for sure that were not offered a position? Please indicate above the percentage of the total number of students that you can identify that do not have a position lined up i.e.

# of grads without a position / Total number of grads where you know of their job situation (either with or without a position)

Include those students that matched and accepted residencies as having obtained a position. Please only include those classmates (and yourself) where you really know what their job situation is.

EDITED:
Other situations to include in the numbers of people with a prospective position: those people that accepted jobs at higher than 25 hours but less than 40, those people that accepted a pharmacist position regardless of the drive time required to get to said position.

Other situations to include in the numbers of people without a prospective position: people that were only offered positions consisting of less than 25 hours a week, people that took non pharmacist jobs as a result of not being able to find a pharmacist position over 25 hours a week,

 

[mustang sally]

There isn't any one from my class that I'm aware of that still doesn't have a job.

Now did we all get great jobs? No, but I think most everyone found employment.

 

[Ackj]

Now did we all get great jobs? No, but I think most everyone found employment.

What do you mean by this? Are you talking only part time rather than full time, driving 2+ hours, or do you mean non-pharmacist jobs?

 

[All4MyDaughter]

What do you mean by this? Are you talking only part time rather than full time, driving 2+ hours, or do you mean non-pharmacist jobs?

I don't know anyone from my class or from our class of 2012 who took a non-pharmacist job. I do know people who had to relocate. A few of our 2012 graduates got 32 hour float jobs with Wags, but most of them have been transitioned to full time and some have assigned stores by now.

 

[mustang sally]

What do you mean by this? Are you talking only part time rather than full time, driving 2+ hours, or do you mean non-pharmacist jobs?

Pretty much all of those, plus people driving 1+ hours for part time work.

I'm pretty sure everyone became a pharmacist though. I haven't heard of anyone being forced to take a non-pharmacist job.

 

[hereticmnk]

I wonder who chose the 91-100% option. That is plain stupid. I guess the pessimists can rejoice.. well at least until next year

 

[Pharmpills]

As a recent grad i can tell you that i know for fact several people from different schools who have not been offered jobs and are still waiting. I strongly believe the class of 2012 will take up most of the remaining jobs and class of 2013 will finish it up. i Strongly and would bet a million dollars that after 3-4 years the majority of students wouldn't be able to find pharmacist jobs. The reason i say that is bc the main retail chains have barely opened any new stores and are cutting hours while Rite Aid is on the verge of bancruptcy. Most of the retail chains just hire their own interns and a few outside so if you are in the system then good for you. As for hospitals most now want a residency and even then you have alot more students who have residency and will compete with you.

 

[confettiflyer]

My best guess is > 90% of my class is employed.

20-25 matched to residencies, the remaining 40-45 have mostly been hired FT. There are a few without employment/options but it was often obvious before we even graduated...or, in the case of another 2-3, they made a choice to not immediately enter the job market.

 

[AngelaCL]

I don't know many at this point who don't have jobs, but I do know plenty of people who had not intended to relocate who had to do so to get jobs, who took less-than-ideal jobs, and who had to send out 60+ applications and didn't find anything until post-graduation. Not so horrible considering the job market, but very different from how it was a couple years ago.

 

[joetrisman]

In my district we have to hire 15+ rphs in the next 6 weeks before Flu season/ESIarmageddon starts

 

[D5WwithNSS]

actually 80% of my friends (including me) are still unemployed (i am not including the ones that did residencies). Not by choice. We live in a major metro city and I for one want to see my options after I am licensed before i moved out of state.

 

[bw6]

Trolling. Unless you go to some **** school and will not relocate, there is no way 90 to 100% of grads cant find jobs. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[xiphoid2010]

There are still jobs in the less desirable locations, and even in the more competitive locations there is a minimum level of turn overs. The percent able to find job will depend on many variables: local economy, turn over rate, COP vs population, willingness/ability to relocate, lies by students, etc... Keep in mind that the nation average unemployment rate is between 8-9% which include degree holders in liberal arts... You know pharmacy unemployment is unlikely to exceed that in any large geographic area. But also keep in mind that if you are the one who is unemployed and have $200k student loans, it might indeed look worse than some blue collar worker with no student loans.

 

[usechopstix]

There's a lot of factors that go into this. For those who swear the majority of their class could not find jobs, What school did you go to? Did you intern at all? Do you have anything to show besides having a PharmD?

A PharmD doesn't guarantee a job if you have solid experience and went to an accredited program, I find it hard to believe you will have THAT hard of a time finding a job. Obviously if 80% of your class is having difficulty finding a job, it must not be a good program.

 

[Pharmpills]

There's a lot of factors that go into this. For those who swear the majority of their class could not find jobs, What school did you go to? Did you intern at all? Do you have anything to show besides having a PharmD?

A PharmD doesn't guarantee a job if you have solid experience and went to an accredited program, I find it hard to believe you will have THAT hard of a time finding a job. Obviously if 80% of your class is having difficulty finding a job, it must not be a good program.

Not being able to find a job doesn't mean your school's program is no good. The Naplex and MPJE pass rates help to decipher which schools have good programs. I personally don't believe any school would have a 80-90% rate of pharm students not being able to find jobs but in a few years that might be true for even the best programs unless something is done.
I think the breaking point will be when Rite Aid goes under and aton of their pharmacist are thrown into the job market as well as thousands of new graduates which will affect everyone even those who are comfy in their regular jobs since their salary will most likely be affected but all of this is years ahead if we make it pass Dec. 2012

 

[BenJammin]

Since the OP didn't make the results public, I wouldn't take anything said in this topic seriously.

 

[Pharmgrlnxdor]

Actually, I did click on the box that was supposed to make it public when I set it up. Also, I am able to see the poll results when I click on the link at the top of the page that says View Poll Results. I am not able to see this post as others would see it since I am signed in under my username. Can someone else verify for me that they are not able to see the poll results by clicking on the link that says View Poll Results at the top left of the page under the 10 choices? If this is correct and the results are not visible I will ask an admin to see if they can correct the problem.

 

[tongiecc]

Actually, I did click on the box that was supposed to make it public when I set it up. Also, I am able to see the poll results when I click on the link at the top of the page that says View Poll Results. I am not able to see this post as others would see it since I am signed in under my username. Can someone else verify for me that they are not able to see the poll results by clicking on the link that says View Poll Results at the top left of the page under the 10 choices? If this is correct and the results are not visible I will ask an admin to see if they can correct the problem.

Yep, I can see it.

 

[hereticmnk]

I am really curious what these schools are that have 90-100% students without a job 😕