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I am looking for other clinical psych PHD/PSYD programs similar to Rowan University's "Training in Health and Integrated Primary Care." I have not been able to find any other programs with this. If you know of any, please name them. Not general health tracks, though. Thanks!
 
Try expanding your search to include programs with a more general health psychology focus (e.g., UAB, University of Southern Mississippi, University of North Texas, University of Florida I believe), as they are likely also to include training opportunities in integrated PCMH.
 
AcronymAllergy said:
Try expanding your search to include programs with a more general health psychology focus (e.g., UAB, University of Southern Mississippi, University of North Texas, University of Florida I believe), as they are likely also to include training opportunities in integrated PCMH.
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I am an integrated primary care psychologist. I went to a typical Ph.D program just like 99% of the other psychologists who do this work. A track is not necessary. Being a good psychologist is.

Of course there are some special practice issues involved in PC psych such as being empirically, and largely behaviorally oriented, knowing medical terminology and general principles of health psychology, and how to communicate in the physician dominated healthcare system...but none of this is something you get in doctoral program classes.
 
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What erg said. Solid generalist training at a reputable doctoral program will open far more doors for you than specialized training at a lesser, unaccredited program. Your doctoral program should provide a broad foundation. You can get PCMH experience in practica, internship, or a postdoctoral fellowship.
 
This isn't for me, a professor asked me to help them find programs similar to Rowan's ...
 
Perhaps some more context will be helpful, then.

I looked at Rowan University's web site and to me this looks like a general clinical health psychology program. I fail to see the special.
 
Slightly off topic. A lot of the active posters on this site believe that clinical programs must first and foremost be generalist with emphases in particular areas. I think with careful exploration one can find many programs that have tracks or opportunities to pursue health and primary care work within their respective programs. However, finding clinical programs that primarily emphasis those elements is rarer. I actually am not sure why a program would chose that route. Since Rowan is new, I am guessing its to attract students before accreditation is available.
 
erg923 said:
So, instead of do this, you have asked others to do it for you?
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Nope. I found seven but before sending them to her I wanted to see if anyone else knew of any I missed. Besides, she has already told me to call people and ask or whatever means I need to... so the rudeness is not needed k thx
 
crazypsychstudent said:
Nope. I found seven but before sending them to her I wanted to see if anyone else knew of any I missed. Besides, she has already told me to call people and ask or whatever means I need to... so the rudeness is not needed k thx
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I will say that I've noticed erg923 tends to be a bit callous on the psychology threads over the year I've been a member here
 
Remember folks, interpretation is in the eye of the beholder. And we're reading words on a screen that may or may not convey what both the writer and reader may or may not be feeling (I was going to do an entire dissertation on this very topic as it relates to affect regulation...but focused on trauma instead).

If you're having a bad day & feel defensive and you read one of erg923's comments as callous, then it's irritating to you. If you're having an okay day & feel somewhat undefended, and you find him stating the obvious...it becomes frank. If you're having a good day, and you read his comment, feeling unbewildered by the world, you may find it amusing.

Not defending anyone's style...just stating a valid point.

Edit: I have never even heard of Rowan University, so this has nothing to do with the original inquiry.
 
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WisNeuro said:
It's not an accredited institution, so it probably doesn't come up that often in discussion.
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To be fair, the program just started their first doctoral cohort. So, there was nothing to talk about till now.
 
Indeed, I wasn't passing judgment with that one. Just commenting on why it wasn't something many have heard of. They are a public institution, so they have that bonus going for them. A quick glance at the faculty and research looks like they have a nice range of things going for them there. As long as their class offerings are up to APA standards, I imagine they'll have accreditation when they are eligible.
 
CheetahGirl said:
Remember folks, interpretation is in the eye of the beholder. And we're reading words on a screen that may or may not convey what both the writer and reader may or may not be feeling (I was going to do an entire dissertation on this very topic as it relates to affect regulation...but focused on trauma instead).

If you're having a bad day & feel defensive and you read one of erg923's comments as callous, then it's irritating to you. If you're having an okay day & feel somewhat undefended, and you find him stating the obvious...it becomes frank. If you're having a good day, and you read his comment, feeling unbewildered by the world, you may find it amusing.

Not defending anyone's style...just stating a valid point.

Edit: I have never even heard of Rowan University, so this has nothing to do with the original inquiry.
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I think that's the first time I've heard someone say their own point is valid. If a bunch of people regularly call someone hostile... maybe he's coming off a little hostile?
 
I think we should just make a thread about perceived bullying/hostility/confirmation bias/olio. That way we can hash this all out ad infinitum instead of eventually jacking every thread. This board doesn't have Godwin's Law defining it, it has Erg's Law. At some point, if a thread goes on long enough, someone will accuse someone of hostility or bullying, sometimes warranted, sometimes not.
 
psych844 said:
appeal to general belief.
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Or maybe it suggests a possibility.. is there a 0.00 correlation between a near consensus and a given personality trait? Hmm. I'm not trying to "prove" anything, but every grad program I've ever been in pushes students to be open to peer feedback. Why don't you tell them that?
 
CheetahGirl said:
Remember folks, interpretation is in the eye of the beholder. And we're reading words on a screen that may or may not convey what both the writer and reader may or may not be feeling (I was going to do an entire dissertation on this very topic as it relates to affect regulation...but focused on trauma instead).

If you're having a bad day & feel defensive and you read one of erg923's comments as callous, then it's irritating to you. If you're having an okay day & feel somewhat undefended, and you find him stating the obvious...it becomes frank. If you're having a good day, and you read his comment, feeling unbewildered by the world, you may find it amusing.

Not defending anyone's style...just stating a valid point.

Edit: I have never even heard of Rowan University, so this has nothing to do with the original inquiry.
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I've been on SDN for nearly as long as you have and have read posts in all kinds of moods, happy, sad, wistful, contemplative, ecstatic, and others. No matter what mood I'm in when he's being rude and judgmental, he always strikes me as rude and judgmental. It's annoying.
 
clinpsyc87 said:
I think that's the first time I've heard someone say their own point is valid.
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You're welcome.

empathiosis said:
I've been on SDN for nearly as long as you have and have read posts in all kinds of moods, happy, sad, wistful, contemplative, ecstatic, and others. No matter what mood I'm in when he's being rude and judgmental, he always strikes me as rude and judgmental. It's annoying.
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Well, alrighty then. I find him amusing, but that's perhaps because I stay away from SDN when I'm not feeling 'unbewildered by the world' (whatever that means, right?)

If he wants to give a crass, blunt perspective. So be it... someone has to do it. Sometimes people say what I think, but I don't say it because I don't want to come across as rude and arrogant. (Not that I'm saying anyone is rude and arrogant.) Plus...most of us are anonymous here, so say what you will, and come as you are. And not all psychologists are warm and fuzzy. I am, but that's a different story. :cat:

WisNeuro's right, let's start a bullying thread and share all our erg923 horror stories. Or I could cut to the chase...he's not going to change. :meh:
 
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I agree that it is most definitely clear that he always has a passive aggressive comment or a negative tone. Not that every psychologist has to be "fuzzy" but I am only through one semester of my training I already cannot even fathom how some individuals in this field have become psychologists. Did they just ignore all their training? Did they lose their empathy? In class, we were discussing if we believed we should be trained to develop more empathy, and I think we certainly can, but you can fake it easily (especially people with antisocial tendencies...) and I pointed out it is the individual's/clinician's responsibility to make sure their empathy is genuine. Also, since I started grad school, this is the first time I have even had time to come on here. If someone is spending a large majority of their time online (I'm assuming he does only because he somehow manages to respond to nearly every post) AND has such harsh comments, there is definitely some displacement going on that he can't express in real life or maybe *gasp* a personality trait of his... don't we learn about these things guys?
 
Also, you never know who is suicidal or may overreact to a harsh comment... Something that the individuals in this field are largely aware of (or should be)... Or are aware of and should CARE more...
 
crazypsychstudent said:
I agree that it is most definitely clear that he always has a passive aggressive comment or a negative tone. Not that every psychologist has to be "fuzzy" but I am only through one semester of my training I already cannot even fathom how some individuals in this field have become psychologists. Did they just ignore all their training? Did they lose their empathy? In class, we were discussing if we believed we should be trained to develop more empathy, and I think we certainly can, but you can fake it easily (especially people with antisocial tendencies...) and I pointed out it is the individual's/clinician's responsibility to make sure their empathy is genuine. Also, since I started grad school, this is the first time I have even had time to come on here. If someone is spending a large majority of their time online (I'm assuming he does only because he somehow manages to respond to nearly every post) AND has such harsh comments, there is definitely some displacement going on that he can't express in real life or maybe *gasp* a personality trait of his... don't we learn about these things guys?
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I appreciate the analysis, Freud.

There are many posters on here who post frequently and daily. I type fast.

I have never denied that my personality is it bit "rougher" than most psychologists. This is likely a cultural issue more so than some silly, I must hate my mother, dynamic sequela.

I think getting people to think, and calling out poor or flawed thinking, is more than appropriate. Nobody has to *like* this.

I recently received a PM from someone who derived great benefit from my posts and my PM advice to them about 4 years ago and has totally kicked ass in their program and are now applying for internship. This makes me happy.
 
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crazypsychstudent said:
Not that every psychologist has to be "fuzzy" but I am only through one semester of my training I already cannot even fathom how some individuals in this field have become psychologists.
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I think some version of this statement has been uttered by every professional, ever. However, psychologists have a reputation for "eating their young." You'll observe this in a variety of situations as you continue your training. It's not ubiquitous, but like in any field there are hotbeds of malignancy - sometimes entire departments.

In this case I agree with CheetahGirl, though. Tone and intent are very much in the eye of the beholder when online. I appreciate a good truth bomb now and then and I've chuckled out loud at some of erg's comments. Take what you like, leave the rest. Resist the urge to analyze people based on their comments in an anonymous online forum. That's for amateurs.
 
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crazypsychstudent said:
Also, you never know who is suicidal or may overreact to a harsh comment... Something that the individuals in this field are largely aware of (or should be)... Or are aware of and should CARE more...
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That isn't the responsibility of a poster on a healthcare related internet msg board for students/clinicians. It is completely unrealistic to try and pin that on someone bc their opinion conflicts with another. erg can be blunt, but the content of his posts is usually spot on. I think what rubs some people the wrong way is that they come on here wanting to hear one answer (i.e. wanting to be supported/affirmed) and then they hear something that doesn't match up with what they really wanted to hear. Most of the time that answer is actually accurate, even if the delivery isn't done wearing white gloves. If a poster becomes so offended or so negatively impacted by a post from a random person on the internet, then working in this field is not going to be a good fit. As msg boards go, this place is very accommodating and at times too-PC.
 
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I appreciate a good truth bomb now and then.

Resist the urge to analyze people based on their comments in an anonymous online forum. That's for amateurs.
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I second this...and I have an anonymous reputation to uphold, so I don't want to be that hammer that hits that nail sometimes. :blackeye: May hurt someone's feelings. So, low in behold, I sit back and let 'em rip. Way back when, I rather enjoyed JonSnow's bluntness (so did my husband who is NOT warm and fuzzy, in the least bit). He pops up every once in a while but seems like erg923 may have taken that 'voice of obvious reason' torch and ran.

(Now, when someone attacks me or my reasoning....that's a different story. I will defend until the last blood is shed or until minds are changed for faulty reasoning - on my part or the part of the other - or we agree to disagree. )

Even then, crazypsychstudent, your only reply was "the rudeness is not needed k thx." And look how we all got into an interpretation war. (well, not really a "war," but you get my drift). It is good to be somewhat thick-skinned on online forums and take things with a grain of salt, especially if you're training in mental health. We'll put you through the test here...especially on the WAMC thread.
 
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CheetahGirl said:
I second this...and I have an anonymous reputation to uphold. So I don't want to be that hammer that hits that nail sometimes....may hurt someone's feelings. :blackeye: So, low in behold, I sit back and let 'em rip. Way back when, I rather enjoyed JonSnow's bluntness (so did my husband who is NOT warm and fuzzy, in the least bit). He pops up every once in a while but seems like erg923 may have taken that 'voice of obvious reason' torch and ran.

Even then, crazypsychstudent, your only reply was "the rudeness is not needed k thx." And look how we all got into an interpretation war. (well, not really a "war," but you get my drift). It is good to be somewhat thick-skinned on online forums and take things with a grain of salt, especially if you're training in mental health. We'll put you through the test here...especially on the WAMC thread.
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I had a recent performance evaluation: My chief pointed out how much she appreciated my willingness to voice dissenting opinion or stance, usually directly to her, if I feel something (usually a VA policy or procedure) is just plain dumb. There was NO mention of rudeness or inappropriateness. I received the highest rating. I got a bonus.
 
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erg923 said:
I appreciate the analysis, Freud.

There are many posters on here who post frequently and daily. I type fast.

I have never denied that my personality is it bit "rougher" than most psychologists. This is likely a cultural issue more so than some silly, I must hate my mother, dynamic sequela.

I think getting people to think, and calling out poor or flawed thinking, is more than appropriate. Nobody has to *like* this.

I recently received a PM from someone who derived great benefit from my posts and my PM advice to them about 4 years ago and has totally kicked ass in their program and are now applying for internship. This makes me happy.
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And our peanut gallery that so loves to point out what they believe to be a fallacy as though it invalidates an entire argument is silent.
I would agree that your advice, particularly about the VA, is solid and valuable. But the complaint of the posters is that you don't need things like your first statement; you can be open and direct without going out of your way to add hostility and ridicule to your advice. They are not inseparable.
 
clinpsyc87 said:
And our peanut gallery that so loves to point out what they believe to be a fallacy as though it invalidates an entire argument is silent.
I would agree that your advice, particularly about the VA, is solid and valuable. But the complaint of the posters is that you don't need things like your first statement; you can be open and direct without going out of your way to add hostility and ridicule to your advice. They are not inseparable.
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"I appreciate the analysis, Freud?" This is offensive? I think the Pope himself has offered more biting sarcasm....

Lighten up and laugh a little.
 
clinpsyc87 said:
And our peanut gallery that so loves to point out what they believe to be a fallacy as though it invalidates an entire argument is silent.
I would agree that your advice, particularly about the VA, is solid and valuable. But the complaint of the posters is that you don't need things like your first statement; you can be open and direct without going out of your way to add hostility and ridicule to your advice. They are not inseparable.
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Very well said. No one is saying that erg is a bad person or doesn't give good advice or has not been helpful. The rudeness and flippancy is not amusing to me and I think it's unnecessary. There's a difference between not being warm and fuzzy (I am not particularly warm and fuzzy most times, whatever that means) and just being rude and flippant. Some people on this board seem to get a kick out of his behavior, and I wouldn't even begin to try to figure out what's behind that. However, on the whole, he seems liked by many posters here, at least hte ones who stay -- these folks constitute a clique in my opinion -- and it seems that they accept him as is and the behavior will not change. So those who are offended by it are advised to just ignore him or leave the group, or as one poster advised, should leave the profession, which seems a bit harsh.

There's always the option of blocking him, which I have done from time to time. That allows me to enjoy the group without having to become incensed every time his arrogant, narrow-minded, rudeness flares up. I think on the whole it's a pretty sad state of affairs but since he has supporters, it doesn't seem that anything can be done about it.
 
Yeah, well...I wasn't necessarily defending erg923's rudeness or inappropriateness. Just saying that I exactly view it as a "voice of dissenting opinion and stance." And, I honestly, appreciate when others call me out on my faulty logic. None of us are exempt from fallacies. (Which is another peer-reviewed, empirically validated point I'm going to make, clinpsyc87. 😉)

...Now, where was that work I was supposed to be doing. Oh, yeah, there it is::beat:final revisions.

And God Bless, empathiosis...I've tried so hard to stay out of cliques - ever since undergrad. I hope I'm not in one here. Just lurking around, being me, n = 1, procrastinating as usual.
 
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erg923 said:
"I appreciate the analysis, Freud?" This is offensive? I think the Pope himself has offered more biting sarcasm....

Lighten up and laugh a little.
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What you said was offensive, it's these little off the cuff remarks that are most offensive. You drop these little bombs without the least awareness for how they might be received and when people are offended they're accused of not having a sense of humor. I have a great sense of humor, but you're not funny most of the time. Making rude and sarcastic comments just isn't funny.
 
erg923 said:
I had a recent performance evaluation: My chief pointed out how much she appreciated my willingness to voice dissenting opinion or stance, usually directly to her, if I feel something (usually a VA policy or procedure) is just plain dumb. There was NO mention of rudeness or inappropriateness. I received the highest rating. I got a bonus.
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Well, isn't that great? At least you're practicing your social skills at work. Your performance at work has nothing to do with your performance here. You're not getting a bonus here this year. Sorry.
 
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What you said was offensive, it's these little off the cuff remarks that are most offensive. You drop these little bombs without the least awareness for how they might be received and when people are offended they're accused of not having a sense of humor. I have a great sense of humor, but you're not funny most of the time. Making rude and sarcastic comments just isn't funny.
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Ok. But amateur attempts at psychoanalysis are cool, right? And those should never be responded to with humor. Got it.

I think I'll call you Carl Rogers.
 
empathiosis said:
Well, isn't that great? At least you're practicing your social skills at work. Your performance at work has nothing to do with your performance here. You're not getting a bonus here this year. Sorry.
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Ok. I'm really done. But there seems to be some sarcasm in your tone, empathiosis...Can it be?....oh, no....it couldn't.....but, wait, it might be...projective identification! Yikes!

Don't go to the Dark Side, empathiosis... just don't do it.

Ha, ha. I'm just making light of this and trying to steal Peacemaker's name again. Over and out!
 
erg923 said:
I appreciate the analysis, Freud.

There are many posters on here who post frequently and daily. I type fast. I have never denied that my personality is it bit "rougher" than most psychologists. This is likely a cultural issue more so than some silly, I must hate my mother, dynamic sequela.
I think getting people to think, and calling out poor or flawed thinking, is more than appropriate. Nobody has to *like* this.

I recently received a PM from someone who derived great benefit from my posts and my PM advice to them about 4 years ago and has totally kicked ass in their program and are now applying for internship. This makes me happy.
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Yes, you type fast and your posts tend to be extremely short, like little gems of wisdom bestowed upon lesser mortals. Look dude, no one is disputing your skill for calling out poor or flawed thinking and telling it as you see it. That's not at issue. I believe what's at issue are these flip and sarcastic comments, but you just don't seem to get that.

No one has to like anything, including me liking the way you treat people. That's understood. I think last I checked it's my right to voice an opinion about that. What began this argument is this comment that you made to the OP:

So, instead of do this, you have asked others to do it for you?

That does not speak to any type of flawed thinking or lack of logic, that's just plain RUDE and MEAN and infantile. A few months ago you posted asking about the history of postdoctoral hours for licensure. I was surprised by that because I've seen you berate people so often for not doing their own research ... But since I like to help, I did a little research on it and replied to you. If I had been you, I would have said, what's the matter, don't know how to do your own research? That's the spirit with which you make these comments, the less than subtle context being: What's wrong with you stupid? If you don't get that that's how you come across and how offensive that can be, and if others think that's okay and just laugh it off as erg being erg and find that amusing, well okay then. I guess I just have to live with the fact that that's the culture of the group.

Anonymity is not an excuse for rudeness among equals and professionals, in my opinion, but that seems to be the minority view here.

Also, I have frequently had PMs with people whom you've offended and who leave the board. This has happened over several years. If you're using PMs as evidence of something now, I would guess that I've heard from more people who are offended by you than you've gotten from thankful people.
 
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CheetahGirl said:
Ok. I'm really done. But there seems to be some sarcasm in your tone, empathiosis...Can it be?....oh, no....it couldn't.....but, wait, it might be...projective identification! Yikes!

Don't go to the Dark Side, empathiosis.. don't do it.

Ha! I'm just making light of this and trying to steal peacemaker's name again. Over and out!
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Well, definitely, it may have been an attempt at that, not that I can ever compete with the master. Also, when he does it people chortle, when I do it, I'm sure it won't go over well because I don't have the coterie that he has. I appreciate your posts CheetahGirl.
 
empathiosis said:
Yes, you type fast and your posts tend to be extremely short most of the time. Little gems of wisdom bestowed upon us lesser mortals. Look dude, no one is discussing your propensity to call out poor or flawed thinking. That's not at issue. If you could would just pay attention to what your detractors are saying you might learn something.

No one has to like anything, including me liking the way you treat people. And I think last I checked it's my right to voice an opinion about that. What began this argument is this comment that you made to the OP:

So, instead of do this, you have asked others to do it for you?

That does not speak to any type of flawed thinking or lack of logic, that's just plain RUDE and MEAN and infantile.

You asked a question a few months ago about the history of postdoctoral hours for licensure. I did a little research on it and replied to you. If I had been you, I would have said, what's the matter, don't know how to do your own research?

Anonymity is not an excuse for rudeness among equals and professionals.
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I think you're being hypersensitive.
 
erg923 said:
Ok. But amateur attempts at psychoanalysis are cool, right? And those should never be responded to with humor. Got it.

I think I'll call you Carl Rogers.
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I appreciate that. Thanks. I think I'll call you Fritz Perls.
 
erg923 said:
I think you're being hypersensitive.
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That may be true. But it's equally true that you can be a rude m-fer sometimes and you hardly ever seem to acknowledge that, hiding behind walls of logic instead.
 
erg923 said:
Ok. But amateur attempts at psychoanalysis are cool, right? And those should never be responded to with humor. Got it.

I think I'll call you Carl Rogers.
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When people are attacked, they lash out. Why should that be a surprise to you?
 
erg923 said:
Ok. Now I have "attacked" you. Got it.
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Wasn't referring to me. I don't feel attacked. I was referring to your comment about it being okay to psychoanalyze. She felt attacked by you and that was her way of lashing out. It's amazing how much power you seem to have on this board. It's crazy, right?
 
empathiosis said:
Wasn't referring to me. I don't feel attacked. I was referring to your comment about it being okay to psychoanalyze. She felt attacked by you and that was her way of lashing out. It's amazing how much power you seem to have on this board. It's crazy, right?
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The OP was "attacked" by me. Got it.
 
I think that the poster was referring to your initial offensive comment, but there are so many sometimes that it's hard to keep track. You yourself can't keep them straight. It's these little off the cuff remarks that are most offensive. You drop these little bombs without the least awareness for how they might be received and when people are offended you accuse them of not having a sense of humor and tell them to lighten up. I've seen this pattern play out for YEARS. I have a great sense of humor, but you're not funny most of the time. Making rude and sarcastic comments just isn't funny.
 
erg923 said:
The OP was "attacked" by me. Got it.
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Okay dude, I see that I won't get anywhere with you. I'm not sure why I ever think that I can. Keep calling out flawed thinking and laziness and I'll keep calling out rudeness and maybe we'll be able to coexist here that way.
 
I'm baaaaackkk.

I'm now going to start singing that Disney song..."Let it go..., let it go, let it go...." :whistle:


Does it have to be an older theorist or someone living?

I'm either Donald Winnicott or Allan Schore...all the way (I wish). CheetahWinnicott...I like the sound of that.
 
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