Combined EM/Peds

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This is a great combo residency option for individuals interested in EM and Pediatrics.
There are four schools that offer this combined training.
University of Arizona
University of Maryland
Indiana University
Louisiana State University
You can board mail me if you have any questions.

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No I don't think anyone has sought to "publish data" on what people do coming out of this combined of residency.

Most graduates end up working in both adult and pediatric ERs. Some take positions as program directors, and even others continue their training in fellowships programs.

Indiana University has actually created a website to document where their graduates have gone and are doing.

http://iu-iusm-emer.ads.iu.edu:8081/iuem/em-pediatrics/alumni
 
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I'm genuinely not trying to be difficult, but it would be helpful to understand why you think this is a great combination? The challenges of doing boards and MOC in two separate fields are non-trivial. Without outcome data that is systematic, it is hard to get a real handle on what unique careers graduates are having that they couldn't have with a more standard approach to training. Such might exist, but advocates such as you (and you are advocating for it in your posts), should be able to provide this info and clearly and specifically identify the potential or real benefits that justify the double boards/MOC. Although one might not agree with the results, such data do exist for med/peds and the respective boards are trying to work together to smooth the recertification pathway (don't know how far that has gone).
 
Agree with OBP. I have been a very visible proponent of the combined pediatrics-anesthesiology residency, but have also laid out in several posts on both boards and the NICU/Crit Care/Cards board why I think this is a good fit for the right applicant, including the pros and cons. This forum would benefit significantly from that perspective, and help a lot of folks!
 
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First let me explain the different routes you can take to become a pediatric ER doctor and I think this will help you in understanding the different options.

1. You can do a pediatric residency followed by an emergency medicine fellowship. This takes 6 years to complete. At the end of 6 years you will be able to work in an outpatient clinic as a pediatrician, work as a pediatric hospitalist, and work as a pediatric emergency medicine physician.

Pros: you will never see an adult. You will be able to take the pediatric emergency medicine boards allowing you to work in any pediatric ED in the country. You will be versed in skilled in nearly every pediatric disease pathology. You have options of working in a clinic or as a hospitalist if you get burned out in the ED.

Cons: You will never see an adult, and since adults are sicker and sicker more often, you will experience less critical care. You will place very few central lines, perform few intubations, and medically resuscitate very little in your residency. You will get more experience in this area in your fellowship but very little since kids just aren't often critically sick. A retrospective study done in a tertiary care pediatric institution done in 2013 by Mittiga et al found that only 0.22% of all ED visit represented a pediatric patient requiring a critical procedure. There were 261 pediatric critical care procedures performed over a 12 month period. 61% of pediatric emergency medicine faculty did not perform a single critical procedure, 63% did not perform a single orotracheal intubation.

2. You can do an emergency medicine residency followed by a pediatric fellowship. This takes 5-6 years to complete. At the end of this time you will be able to work in an adult ED and in a peds ED.

Pros: You will be able to take the pediatric emergency medicine boards allowing you to work in any pediatric ED in the country. You will be skilled in seeing adults and your critical care skills will be maximized. If you choose to work in a community ED you will be very versatile and comfortable seeing any patient that comes in the front door. If you choose to work in an academic center you will be able to balance your time in the pediatric and adult departments.

Cons: You will spend 2-3 extra years to take a pay cut to see kids rather then adults. You can't practice in a pediatric outpatient clinic nor as a pediatric hospitalist.

3. You can do a combined residency. This takes 5 years. At the end of 5 years you can be an outpatient pediatrician, a hospitalist, an adult EM physician, a pediatric EM physician, or continue your training and do a fellowship in whatever you would like

Pros: You will graduate with many types of practice options. You will be versed in skilled in nearly every pediatric disease pathology. You will be skilled in seeing adults and your critical care skills will be maximized-which easily transitions to increased comfort in managing critical pediatric patients. You can work in the adult ED, peds ED, as a pediatric hospitalist, and/or in a pediatric clinic.

Cons: You will be NOT be able to take the pediatric emergency medicine boards. Meaning some of the academic pediatric ER which require this certification would not hire you, though I am not sure which ones require they are. They are very few. You may end up on a career path that didn't require the additional training.

I think this combined residency works best for individuals who desire to work with both adults and peds in a critical care/EM environment. I plan on working in an ED splinting my time evenly between the adult and pediatric sides of the ER. I also plan to gradually build an outpatient clinic that I can grow as I age. Ultimately as ER burnout sets in; I plan to transition completely to an outpatient pediatrician.

Also I found this gem. A study on what EM/Peds residents do with their training.

A SURVEY ON THE GRADUATES FROM THE COMBINED EMERGENCY MEDICINE/PEDIATRIC RESIDENCY PROGRAMS
Dale P. Woolridge and Richard Lichenstein
 

Please do not bump things like this. You have made your point and anyone can search for the topic. In fact, there have been at least 4 other threads on this topic easily found in searches, although they do go back a ways. Regardless, there is also a separate forum for combined programs that is more appropriate for extended discussion of combined programs like this.
 
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