confused about licensing tests

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Can someone outline which tests have to be taken and under what conditions? I know foreign graduates have to take a different test, but I keep seeing different acronyms so now I'm wondering if there are multiple tests to choose from, or if some are post-residency, or dependent on attendance at specific schools (or concentrations), or if they're just designed entirely to make us all nuts?😱
 
Graduates of AVMA accredited schools take the North American Veterinary Licensing Examination (NAVLE) administered by the NBVME National Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners [http://www.nbvme.org/?id=12 ]and a state licensing exam (if applicable-state specific).

Non-AVMA accredited have a choice between the The Educational Commission for Foreign Veterinary Graduates (ECFVG) certification program which is accepted by all 50 states or the Program for the Assessment of Veterinary Education Equivalence (PAVE) which is not accepted by all 50 states.

The ECFVG program involves the following steps
http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/default.asp
1. Enroll in the program (pay fees and provide credentials) when you are entering your last year of school or post graduation.
2. Verify ability to speak English (waiver or test)
3. Take the Basic and Clinical Sciences Examination (BCSE) which is a 225-question, multiple-choice, computer-based assessment of basic and clinical veterinary sciences knowledge.
4. Complete the Clinical Proficiency Examination (CPE) to complete the program and achieve certification. The CPE is a multi-day, multi-section postgraduate assessment of hands-on clinical veterinary medical skills covering entry-level skills in both large and small animal species, as well as laboratory and other diagnostic practices.

The PAVE program http://www.aavsb.org/PAVE/PAVEHome.aspx
1. Enroll in the program (pay fees and provide credentials) when you are entering your last year of school or post graduation.
2. Verify ability to speak English (waiver or test)
3. Take the (QE) Qualifying Exam http://www.nbvme.org/?id=57(similar to BSCE) AND the NAVLE.
4. Pathway 1 (pre- or post-graduation): evaluated clinical experience at an accredited veterinary school or
Pathway 2 (post-graduation): the Veterinary Clinical Skills Assessment (VCSA)examination.

 
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What I've always wondered is, if you don't ever plan to go into clinical practice, do you still need to take these boards? Is is actually required for the degree or only if you want to actually practice?
 
Thats a very interesting question frequency...I liken it to when I graduated from tech school, I was a certified tech which meant I graduated/received a degree in vet technology. Then I had to take the licensing exam to become licensed (registered) tech. You would think there must be some delineation for veterinarians but perhaps not.
 
Not being a current vet student I really can't say, but i would think that if you didn't intend to practice that you wouldn't need to take the navle or the other licensing tests. But, why would someone go through 4 years of vet school if they didn't intend to practice?

(there are different tests for specialty certs, like immunology, right? that come after an internship/residency? which comes after vet school?)
 
Not being a current vet student I really can't say, but i would think that if you didn't intend to practice that you wouldn't need to take the navle or the other licensing tests. But, why would someone go through 4 years of vet school if they didn't intend to practice?

There are other things you can do with a DVM than go into practice you know?

GMTA (or f'd up minds, as it were 😉 ) WhtsThFrequency, I was wondering the same thing a couple of days ago and couldn't readily find the answer.
 
No, I didn't, could you elaborate please? (maybe I'm just confusing the term "practice" with "using the degree," since it doesn't make sense to me to spend 4 years of your life and drop 200K on a degree you don't intend to use...)
 
What I've always wondered is, if you don't ever plan to go into clinical practice, do you still need to take these boards? Is is actually required for the degree or only if you want to actually practice?

If you want to be boarded (like pathology...) you need a license.

Most "non-practice" jobs require your license anyway.

oh and just because you are not doing "clinical practice" does NOT mean you are not practicing veterinary medicine. Doing necropsies/writing necropsy reports, meat inspection for signs of disease.... all are practicing veterinary medicine. So you have to take boards.
 
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But, why would someone go through 4 years of vet school if they didn't intend to practice

My main goal is to go into research, not practice. There are TONS of other things to do with a DVM besides classic clinical practice....I don't consider that wasting a degree at all - NIH, FDA, USDA are all absolutely dying to have more veterinarians in research. I will be most definitely using the knowledge I have gained - maybe less on the "this is how to intubate a horse" but more "this is what happens in canine autoimmune disease - can we find a better therapy/medication for it, and also break some new ground in human medicine?" So, I was wondering if the license was needed for such a career. But like chris03333 said, I guess it's likely I'll have to take it anyway just because.

I consider animal medicine to be the basis of human medicine, which is why I chose vet over straight med.

Now, if I plan to do a residency (path, immuno, lab animal) to get boarded then I'm sure I'd have to. But I still wouldn't go into practice. God bless the people who can and I admire them, but it just isn't for me. Different strokes for different folks, to use an outdated phrase.

GMTA (or f'd up minds, as it were)

Yaaaaaah we are the board's mad scientists! Fear us! 😉
 
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But, why would someone go through 4 years of vet school if they didn't intend to practice

My main goal is to go into research, not practice. There are TONS of other things to do with a DVM besides classic clinical practice....I don't consider that wasting a degree at all - NIH, FDA, USDA are all absolutely dying to have more veterinarians in research. I will be most definitely using the knowledge I have gained - maybe less on the "this is how to intubate a horse" but more "this is what happens in canine autoimmune disease - can we find a better therapy/medication for it, and also break some new ground in human medicine?" So, I was wondering if the license was needed for such a career. But like chris03333 said, I guess it's likely I'll have to take it anyway just because.

Ahhh okay, see, it was just a terminology issue - for me "practice" did not equal "clinical practice" or "go into practice," a practicing vet is one that is using his/her degree in a way it was intended to be used. In this case (which is what I want to do as well), it'd be practicing in a research facility.

Seems like there are a lot of vet-specific terms that I'm just not used to, like "small animal" for example - that has always referred to mice/rats/etc, but in the vet world it's dogs and cats. 🙄 I'll get used to it eventually, just bear with me in the meantime.

Sorry for all of the confusion!
 
Seems like there are a lot of vet-specific terms that I'm just not used to, like "small animal" for example - that has always referred to mice/rats/etc, but in the vet world it's dogs and cats

Hah, I always wondered about that too...a 200 lb English Mastiff is not a small animal!! 😉
 
Hello.......
So , If I well understood , I have to take all ECFVG's steps before and then NAVLE test, right??
Does anybody give me some advice about studying for ECFVG ?
Thanks in advance🙂
 
Seems like there are a lot of vet-specific terms that I'm just not used to, like "small animal" for example - that has always referred to mice/rats/etc, but in the vet world it's dogs and cats

Hah, I always wondered about that too...a 200 lb English Mastiff is not a small animal!! 😉
Hey, some of us consider anything that's full grown and less than 500 lbs to be small! 😎
 
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