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So I called the admissions offices of each school I got into and both said they would have to revoke my acceptance. I’m still completely sober but Now I have to figure out what to do during my suspension. I’ve applied to so many research jobs but haven’t got a single reply likely because I don’t have a degree. What are good ideas that will improve my chances in a few cycles
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Long-term, potentially military if you’re willing to commit to the minimum service length. I think it’s 5 years? Double check that to be sure.

Short term? Potentially sales, maybe tutoring.

I think joining the military will significantly help “alleviate” your DUI, and show maturity. “Civilian job” wise, you could try working as a volunteer/program coordinator for social welfare programs, but I don’t know if you can do that without a degree.

You certainly won’t find a lucrative job without a holding a bachelors or professional training, so I think your best option is military.
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
So I called the admissions offices of each school I got into and both said they would have to revoke my acceptance. I’m still completely sober but Now I have to figure out what to do during my suspension. I’ve applied to so many research jobs but haven’t got a single reply likely because I don’t have a degree. What are good ideas that will improve my chances in a few cycles
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Gap time jobs don't always have to be medically related. You can always get a flexible job like waiting tables that pays enough money to live while giving you time to devote to volunteering, shadowing, and other EC's. You can also work on getting an EMT license, BLS card, or CNA/MA and work as a ER tech, lift team/patient transport, or MA/CNA to bolster your clinical experience.
 
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Sunflowersunrise said:
So I called the admissions offices of each school I got into and both said they would have to revoke my acceptance. I’m still completely sober but Now I have to figure out what to do during my suspension. I’ve applied to so many research jobs but haven’t got a single reply likely because I don’t have a degree. What are good ideas that will improve my chances in a few cycles
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Keep your head up and learn from your mistakes! Honestly, if you need some money, Ubering isn't too bad while applying to things and it would be a hell of a story 🙂
 
DoctoOcto said:
Long-term, potentially military if you’re willing to commit to the minimum service length. I think it’s 5 years? Double check that to be sure.

Short term? Potentially sales, maybe tutoring.

I think joining the military will significantly help “alleviate” your DUI, and show maturity. “Civilian job” wise, you could try working as a volunteer/program coordinator for social welfare programs, but I don’t know if you can do that without a degree.

You certainly won’t find a lucrative job without a holding a bachelors or professional training, so I think your best option is military.
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Based on the other thread, I don’t believe OP is at all prepared for service to country. Even if he were, the military does not just take anyone as some seem to believe. Besides needing to qualify medically, OP will need to apply for a waiver with a recruiter. For the Navy, for example, he will need to wait a year since the DUI. Army may be more lenient. Air Force would be less lenient.

Either way, OP, just want to make sure you know this would be an enlistment— not commission as officer as that is not an option with your DUI or lack of college degree. I don’t know anything about the Peace Corps but maybe you’d have more luck going that direction.
 
oioeoelgd154 said:
AmeriCorps or City Year are great options for anyone 18 years or older!
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Maybe peacecorps? I think this would help show growth and service
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PeaceCorps is a grueling endeavor and from OP’s past actions/current mindset/uncertainty, that would be unreasonable. Event those with the best intentions can be left shaken and even depressed. It’s ofc a noble program but an immersive life changer.
Would AmeriCorps or TFA etc not require a background check / DUI-free?

i think working in nonprofit org might be great actually. Maybe not as flashy as the military etc but it can teach you a lot of life skills/communication-time management etc and build great connections also. They dont pay the greatest but it’s worth it imo.
 
Thanks for the ideas everybody. I can’t commit to military truth be told. Can you do americorp without a degree? I’d do a startup but I can barely code
 
I got offered an MCAT job for Kaplan but I think it’s a bit too painful to see so many people who will get to go to med school before me but I guess it would give me time to study for retake while getting paid. Might do sat/act
 
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I doubt any of the suggested ventures( City Year, TFA, Peace Corp, etc) would take OP at this point. I have friends who have done all of these programs and they were vetted very scrupulously. They don’t take just anyone who shows up and asks for a position.

OP start small and as you work away from your DUI look for and accept more responsibility. But you have to focus on yourself and your well being. I really don’t think any of these intensive activities would be good for you right now.
 
OP, congrats on the continued sobriety. Keep it up!

I do not think you'd be able to get an EMT job. If you were able to pass a school's background check and got into a program, you would (at least for the moment) almost certainly have difficulty getting a state certificate/license upon completion, which is a legal requirement to practice anywhere. Of course, some jobs like ER Tech don't always require the license, so...maybe?

Another option might be to really switch gears and go into a more physically laborious career for a few years. I'm talking something outdoors, rough, and teamwork oriented, ie: Wildland Firefighter, Trail-building, Forestry, maybe Utilities Worker, etc. Imagine if you could join a team of hardworking people who do some of the most difficult jobs, and work your way up to being a leader on the crew? I'm trying to think of a better story of redemption than an Ivy League kid who joined a fire crew, overcame a drinking problem, and became a senior firefighter who was responsible for his crew's safety and success? At the very least, you'd show adcoms you weren't lazy. At the best, you'd prove yourself to be a leader with a vested interest in public service who can be a productive member of a team attempting to accomplish a brutal task. After a few years you could go back to school, finish your degree, re-take MCAT, and show them that you still have the academic horsepower and ability to delay gratification needed to succeed in medical school. I'd love to have that guy in my med school class.

I hope this advice can help. Sorry if this all seems our of left field...I live out west and those are the jobs that a lot of us have done. I've also known multiple people who have overcome troubled pasts by working in the jobs I listed. I just think it'd do a lot of good to show your character, maturation, and ability to overcome adversity. I'm glad to see you're taking more ownership of your actions. Continue to do so. Best of luck, I'm hopeful for you.
 
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Thinking back on it more I realize it could’ve been much worse. This kid was Harvard undergrad oxford masters Stanford mba student and got 6 years. Maybe it is a blessing in disguise.

Former Stanford student gets 5 years in prison for fatal DUI – Palo Alto Daily Post

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Or you could’ve, I don’t know, KILLED SOMEONE???
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Oh here we go
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As someone who's explored a lot of the ideas suggested (Peace Corps, Americorps, Military) I actually think the lack of a degree is a bigger issue in addition to the potential problems @candbgirl already mentioned. PC can be lenient regarding past offenses (honestly know a guy who got in with like five pot charges on his record) but requires either a bachelors or 5 years relevant job experience. I might not be totally right about this, but the Americorps programs that don't require a degree are generally geared for post-high school gap years (and would also deff vet you). Military, OP might be able to do enlisted but officer positions are the only ones without the crazy time commitment.

Like others are saying, congrats on your sobriety. If I were you, I would seriously reconsider taking the Kaplan tutoring position. They pay well, and as much as it sucks (I've seen it as a reapplicant) you're going to be surrounded by people going to med school having done premed at an Ivy League anyway. It will keep you up to day on your MCAT study for when you do retake it, and keeping a position like this semi long term can show commitment, focus, and longitudinal persistence in the face of a really rough situation.
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
So I called the admissions offices of each school I got into and both said they would have to revoke my acceptance. I’m still completely sober but Now I have to figure out what to do during my suspension. I’ve applied to so many research jobs but haven’t got a single reply likely because I don’t have a degree. What are good ideas that will improve my chances in a few cycles
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wait...is there no way to finish at another school? I don't know how these suspensions work.
 
Are you a friend of Bill's? If so, you might see if you can find a physician or researcher through that friend network who would take you on, first as a volunteer and perhaps eventually in a paid position doing whatever you can to stay busy in an office or clinic.
 
Honestly I would consider a complete career do over. Maybe see if you can take classes at a different school to graduate, and go for a masters. Medicine is way too risky and time consuming for you to even get to a point of getting in. I would straight up start over with a new bachelors degree in engineering/CS from a state school which should be doable in 2-3 years given that you are able to transfer some of your school's credits. Caribbean is an option, but you would absolutely need to ace the STEP which is a totally different ballgame then the MCAT, and you would still be competing with fellow IMGs who do not have a DUI on their record. It's not that your career in medicine is necessarily over, it's just that it is very unlikely.
 
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wait...is there no way to finish at another school? I don't know how these suspensions work.
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certainly I know nothing about Ivy schools, but usually if/when you transfer you have to have a statement from your current school saying you are in good standing at that school. If that’s the case for OP, he couldn’t get that statement until the 2.5 year suspension is over. (OP stated in another thread his suspension was for 2.5 years.)
 
@Princeton Medical Student

people have got into medical school with felonies in the past. This guy even got in after impersonating a resident. If people think that a DUI is a worse character flaw than what that guy did then I don’t even know what to say. Also people on SDN had DUIs after acceptance and didn’t get their acceptances taken away. If adcoms thought it was that severe then why wouldn’t they just take the offer back?

worse comes to worse I will apply to 75 MD schools and 20 DO schools and see what happens. This cycle I had 14 IIs with 8 being T20 so my application must be good enough to at least get 2 or 3 interviews next time considering I only applied to 30 this cycle.

also I don’t think it’s risky at all. I finished all the requirements so all there is to lose is money.I interned at an investment firm sophomore year so worst comes to worst I could probably get some gig in banking or asset management if all else fails.

This guy got 9 II four years after a dui and 1 II two years after
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Getting into Med School with a DUI/Misdemeanor

Before I begin, I must clarify that I in no way support drinking and driving. Many people die each year from making the poor decision of getting behind the wheel while impaired. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to get home and are not fit to drive, please call a friend...
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www.latimes.com

He went to jail as a fake doctor. Now he’s a real one: The saga of Adam Litwin, MD

When someone mistook him for a resident at UCLA Medical Center, he didn't correct them.
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They said I could transfer but it’s literally not worth it. My suspension is 2.5 years but I only have 1 semester left so will be able to graduate by 2021
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@Princeton Medical Student

people have got into medical school with felonies in the past. This guy even got in after impersonating a resident. If people think that a DUI is a worse character flaw than what that guy did then I don’t even know what to say. Also people on SDN had DUIs after acceptance and didn’t get their acceptances taken away. If adcoms thought it was that severe then why wouldn’t they just take the offer back?

worse comes to worse I will apply to 75 MD schools and 20 DO schools and see what happens. This cycle I had 14 IIs with 8 being T20 so my application must be good enough to at least get 2 or 3 interviews next time considering I only applied to 30 this cycle.

also I don’t think it’s risky at all. I finished all the requirements so all there is to lose is money.I interned at an investment firm sophomore year so worst comes to worst I could probably get some gig in banking or asset management if all else fails.

This guy got 9 II four years after a dui and 1 II two years after
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Getting into Med School with a DUI/Misdemeanor

Before I begin, I must clarify that I in no way support drinking and driving. Many people die each year from making the poor decision of getting behind the wheel while impaired. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to get home and are not fit to drive, please call a friend...
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www.latimes.com

He went to jail as a fake doctor. Now he’s a real one: The saga of Adam Litwin, MD

When someone mistook him for a resident at UCLA Medical Center, he didn't correct them.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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IIRC, that guy failed to get a medical license and failed to match despite applying to many programs. Until he can get a license and match to a residency program, he essentially just paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a useless diploma. I'm disturbed by the sympathetic tone taken by the writer of that article.
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@Princeton Medical Student

people have got into medical school with felonies in the past. This guy even got in after impersonating a resident. If people think that a DUI is a worse character flaw than what that guy did then I don’t even know what to say. Also people on SDN had DUIs after acceptance and didn’t get their acceptances taken away. If adcoms thought it was that severe then why wouldn’t they just take the offer back?

worse comes to worse I will apply to 75 MD schools and 20 DO schools and see what happens. This cycle I had 14 IIs with 8 being T20 so my application must be good enough to at least get 2 or 3 interviews next time considering I only applied to 30 this cycle.

also I don’t think it’s risky at all. I finished all the requirements so all there is to lose is money.I interned at an investment firm sophomore year so worst comes to worst I could probably get some gig in banking or asset management if all else fails.

This guy got 9 II four years after a dui and 1 II two years after
forums.studentdoctor.net

Getting into Med School with a DUI/Misdemeanor

Before I begin, I must clarify that I in no way support drinking and driving. Many people die each year from making the poor decision of getting behind the wheel while impaired. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to get home and are not fit to drive, please call a friend...
forums.studentdoctor.net forums.studentdoctor.net



www.latimes.com

He went to jail as a fake doctor. Now he’s a real one: The saga of Adam Litwin, MD

When someone mistook him for a resident at UCLA Medical Center, he didn't correct them.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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That guy “got in” to a Caribbean school (quotes because they take anyone with a pulse and loan eligibility). My understanding is that he had (has had?) quite the difficult time matching into a residency. Sure he has an MD but that doesn’t mean he can actually use it to practice medicine.
 
I just find it hard to believe that if I keep my act together for 4+ years I am barred from all professional schools in America because my alcoholism got the best of me. I got a 174 on my LSAT diagnostic yesterday but my dads lawyer friend said I probably wouldn’t be able to pass the bar. Others have said dental podiatry etc are all off the table too. Just feels hopeless
 
@camoixu
my State doesn’t have a med school. Also why would I do that when most don’t accept many OOS and I got 14 interviews with the list I had? School list had nothing to do with it

if that was just a spiteful comment then I think it says more about. Judging from your post history you might be developing a DO inferiority complex. Nothing wrong with DO, I would gladly attend a DO school because I’m confident in my academic capabilities and past performance. Actually it seems like the only people who suffer from DO inferiority syndrome are the tryhard types who put the letters MD on a pedestal for their entire lives but don’t have the aptitude to cut it.
 
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Sunflowersunrise said:
I just find it hard to believe that if I keep my act together for 4+ years I am barred from all professional schools in America because my alcoholism got the best of me. I got a 174 on my LSAT diagnostic yesterday but my dads lawyer friend said I probably wouldn’t be able to pass the bar. Others have said dental podiatry etc are all off the table too. Just feels hopeless
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I don't think your situation is hopeless at all, but your ability to rebound from this is entirely on you. Make excellent decisions going forward and demonstrate a wholesale, unrelenting commitment to your recovery and personal growth. You are going to have to prove yourself way more than the average applicant when you reapply, and you'll need to accept that your days of multiple T10 interviews are probably behind you. But it's not hopeless.

When you posted your initial thread, you appeared really stuck on the amount of time it was going to rehabilitate your application. You seem like you now understand that this is likely going to take several years. Until your suspension is over, you should become gainfully employed in whatever capacity you can (if it's clinical, all the better) and maintain your ties to medicine through volunteering, shadowing, networking, etc. Help others who are struggling as you progress in your sobriety. Actions like these are going to be the foundation for a successful comeback story.
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@JanetSnakehole
I don’t care about prestige or T10 interviews. My top choice after interviews was Iowa because I liked the environment best. I just want one more chance to make things right and if it takes 10 years then that’s what I’ll do.
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Own your mistakes, learn from them, and where there's a will, there's a way!
Medicine is a life long career so try not to focus too much on the few -years delay

best of luck
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@camoixu
my State doesn’t have a med school. Also why would I do that when most don’t accept many OOS and I got 14 interviews with the list I had? School list had nothing to do with it

if that was just a spiteful comment then I think it says more about. Judging from your post history you might be developing a DO inferiority complex. Nothing wrong with DO, I would gladly attend a DO school because I’m confident in my academic capabilities and past performance. Actually it seems like the only people who suffer from DO inferiority syndrome are the tryhard types who put the letters MD on a pedestal for their entire lives but don’t have the aptitude to cut it.
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I was just trying to help 🙂
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@camoixu
my State doesn’t have a med school. Also why would I do that when most don’t accept many OOS and I got 14 interviews with the list I had? School list had nothing to do with it

if that was just a spiteful comment then I think it says more about. Judging from your post history you might be developing a DO inferiority complex. Nothing wrong with DO, I would gladly attend a DO school because I’m confident in my academic capabilities and past performance. Actually it seems like the only people who suffer from DO inferiority syndrome are the tryhard types who put the letters MD on a pedestal for their entire lives but don’t have the aptitude to cut it.
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Stop this attitude
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@camoixu
my State doesn’t have a med school. Also why would I do that when most don’t accept many OOS and I got 14 interviews with the list I had? School list had nothing to do with it

if that was just a spiteful comment then I think it says more about. Judging from your post history you might be developing a DO inferiority complex. Nothing wrong with DO, I would gladly attend a DO school because I’m confident in my academic capabilities and past performance. Actually it seems like the only people who suffer from DO inferiority syndrome are the tryhard types who put the letters MD on a pedestal for their entire lives but don’t have the aptitude to cut it.
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Oh man are you from Delaware? I feel that no med school struggle
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@Princeton Medical Student

people have got into medical school with felonies in the past. This guy even got in after impersonating a resident. If people think that a DUI is a worse character flaw than what that guy did then I don’t even know what to say. Also people on SDN had DUIs after acceptance and didn’t get their acceptances taken away. If adcoms thought it was that severe then why wouldn’t they just take the offer back?

worse comes to worse I will apply to 75 MD schools and 20 DO schools and see what happens. This cycle I had 14 IIs with 8 being T20 so my application must be good enough to at least get 2 or 3 interviews next time considering I only applied to 30 this cycle.

also I don’t think it’s risky at all. I finished all the requirements so all there is to lose is money.I interned at an investment firm sophomore year so worst comes to worst I could probably get some gig in banking or asset management if all else fails.

This guy got 9 II four years after a dui and 1 II two years after
forums.studentdoctor.net

Getting into Med School with a DUI/Misdemeanor

Before I begin, I must clarify that I in no way support drinking and driving. Many people die each year from making the poor decision of getting behind the wheel while impaired. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to get home and are not fit to drive, please call a friend...
forums.studentdoctor.net forums.studentdoctor.net



www.latimes.com

He went to jail as a fake doctor. Now he’s a real one: The saga of Adam Litwin, MD

When someone mistook him for a resident at UCLA Medical Center, he didn't correct them.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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75 MD schools? They don't need the donations. Take your SO out to dinner instead. Applying to med school is not like buying Lotto tickets.
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
I just find it hard to believe that if I keep my act together for 4+ years I am barred from all professional schools in America because my alcoholism got the best of me. I got a 174 on my LSAT diagnostic yesterday but my dads lawyer friend said I probably wouldn’t be able to pass the bar. Others have said dental podiatry etc are all off the table too. Just feels hopeless
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Honestly, I can’t sugar coat this. You need to be realistic about your next several years. If you can find a research job or something like that great but, why would they take you when you have a current dui.
I own a restaurant and frankly if your application crossed my desk it would be rejected as soon as I found out about the dui. If you might have trouble getting a regular job what do you think your chances at getting a decent research position or into a professional degree program are?
you need to realize that this is something that’s going to stick with you for a good number of years.
 
With all due respect @Sunflowersunrise you're focusing on the wrong problem.

You've mentioned you've had substance abuse problems for several years now and that in this instance, they "got the better of you" -- While I do believe in second chances, it seems like you've had a few. Maybe in a few years, it'll be time for another one.

But for now, focus your efforts on your substance abuse issues. Slay that dragon first. Then rebuild your track record. You edit: [must show] that you've actually redeemed yourself before asking AdComs for redemption.
 
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DokterMom said:
With all due respect @Sunflowersunrise you're focusing on the wrong problem.

You've mentioned you've had substance abuse problems for several years now and that in this instance, they "got the better of you" -- While I do believe in second chances, it seems like you've had a few. Maybe in a few years, it'll be time for another one.

But for now, focus your efforts on your substance abuse issues. Slay that dragon first. Then rebuild your track record. You that you've actually redeemed yourself before asking AdComs for redemption.
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:bow::bow::bow::claps:
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
@Princeton Medical Student

people have got into medical school with felonies in the past. This guy even got in after impersonating a resident. If people think that a DUI is a worse character flaw than what that guy did then I don’t even know what to say. Also people on SDN had DUIs after acceptance and didn’t get their acceptances taken away. If adcoms thought it was that severe then why wouldn’t they just take the offer back?

worse comes to worse I will apply to 75 MD schools and 20 DO schools and see what happens. This cycle I had 14 IIs with 8 being T20 so my application must be good enough to at least get 2 or 3 interviews next time considering I only applied to 30 this cycle.

also I don’t think it’s risky at all. I finished all the requirements so all there is to lose is money.I interned at an investment firm sophomore year so worst comes to worst I could probably get some gig in banking or asset management if all else fails.

This guy got 9 II four years after a dui and 1 II two years after
forums.studentdoctor.net

Getting into Med School with a DUI/Misdemeanor

Before I begin, I must clarify that I in no way support drinking and driving. Many people die each year from making the poor decision of getting behind the wheel while impaired. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to get home and are not fit to drive, please call a friend...
forums.studentdoctor.net forums.studentdoctor.net



www.latimes.com

He went to jail as a fake doctor. Now he’s a real one: The saga of Adam Litwin, MD

When someone mistook him for a resident at UCLA Medical Center, he didn't correct them.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Your attitude is going to hinder you more then your DUI ever would.
 
@Goro
I figure most will screen me out before the 2* so I wouldn’t have to pay those fees. If I clean my act up maybe a few of those will be sympathetic. I even started taking naltrexone to reduce any cravings, have been going to 4 meetings per week, cbt/dbt sessions every week. I’m really trying. Maybe I could use this experience to help others struggling with addiction if I get the chance to be a doctor. Could relate better with patients who face the same struggle and demons that ruined my life.
 
Also I apologize if my comments offended anybody. I’m not usually like that but this situation brings out the worst part of me. The pain of having everything in the world (graduating undergrad with no debt, multiple med school acceptances, guaranteed career that would allow me to buy a nice house, family etc.) is almost unbearable. Now I’ll have to take out loans to finish undergrad to get a diploma that is meaningless (professional schools and jobs will screen me out). Seeing friends with their own apartments, getting their white coats, starting families etc. while I sit in my family house just adds salt to the wound. My life is basically on pause while everybody else is working towards their life goals

imagine having to tell friends “ya I did get into med school but they were rescinded.” I can’t even go to thanksgiving or Christmas because family expected so much from me as the first in family to go to college. They would try to tell me everything will be alright but the disappointment in their faces would be crystal clear
 
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@Goro
I figure most will screen me out before the 2* so I wouldn’t have to pay those fees. If I clean my act up maybe a few of those will be sympathetic. I even started taking naltrexone to reduce any cravings, have been going to 4 meetings per week, cbt/dbt sessions every week. I’m really trying. Maybe I could use this experience to help others struggling with addiction if I get the chance to be a doctor. Could relate better with patients who face the same struggle and demons that ruined my life.
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Secondaries are often a tax on the hopelessly naïve, if not pathologically optimistic.

Time will tell.
 
Are Caribbean schools in English? And if so can I use US private loans or is it cash only?
ive always been good at standardized tests so I think I could do well on steps
 
An enlightening quote from one of the best students at his Caribbean Med School: "I realize the biggest mistake of my life was going to a Caribbean medical school." It's in the opening sentence of the blog I linked you to below.

milliondollarmistake.wordpress.com

Persistence >> shortcuts.
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
Are Caribbean schools in English? And if so can I use US private loans or is it cash only?
ive always been good at standardized tests so I think I could do well on steps
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Yes they’re in english. Idk the financial situation but many accept loans.

This would be a mistake. Med school is pointless if you cannot match. You need to be patient and I know that sucks.
 
Sunflowersunrise said:
Are Caribbean schools in English? And if so can I use US private loans or is it cash only?
ive always been good at standardized tests so I think I could do well on steps
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Even at the best Caribbean schools you’ll only have a 50% chance of graduating and matching. And with a DUI and the decision to rush into a Caribbean school as opposed to trying to mitigate your current poor choices you’d be at a disadvantage there. Even at that ross requires a 4 year degree or better and I’d assume the others do as well.
 
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