Could you explain to me the application process to medical school?

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Preface: I have used the search function, there are just some things I need help putting together.

Hello and Good Morning SDN,

I had a few questions regarding the application process and AMCAS verification and such.

My current understanding is this: You submit transcript to AMCAS who verifies it and you add the rest of your personal info to the primary application. This is then sent off to school, who, if they like you enough, send you a secondary and then interview.

My question is regarding the timeline - If I submit my transcripts in mid-May, and complete and submit my primary on June 1st (normally the day it opens right?) without my MCAT, will it still be processed?

Also, what is the first day med schools look at the primary? Isn't it around the 26th of June or something?

I plan on taking the MCAT late May, with Grades out in late June - will this make me late if I submit my primary on the first day?


Also, how does the LOR process work out - my committee writes a LOR for me. DO I have them send it to each individual university or can I have them upload it to interfolio and use that to send it to AMCAS or something? I am really confused on this.




Thanks for your help!
Cliff Notes: How does the LOR process work and what is the timeline for med school app process - when do schools first get the primary and when is "late"?
 
Preface: I have used the search function, there are just some things I need help putting together.

Hello and Good Morning SDN,

I had a few questions regarding the application process and AMCAS verification and such.

My current understanding is this: You submit transcript to AMCAS who verifies it and you add the rest of your personal info to the primary application. This is then sent off to school, who, if they like you enough, send you a secondary and then interview.

My question is regarding the timeline - If I submit my transcripts in mid-May, and complete and submit my primary on June 1st (normally the day it opens right?) without my MCAT, will it still be processed?

Also, what is the first day med schools look at the primary? Isn't it around the 26th of June or something?

I plan on taking the MCAT late May, with Grades out in late June - will this make me late if I submit my primary on the first day?


Also, how does the LOR process work out - my committee writes a LOR for me. DO I have them send it to each individual university or can I have them upload it to interfolio and use that to send it to AMCAS or something? I am really confused on this.




Thanks for your help!
Cliff Notes: How does the LOR process work and what is the timeline for med school app process - when do schools first get the primary and when is "late"?


Ok, I am going to try and break this down simple style… 🙂

You are correct about needing to fill out the primary application with your personal information… You should start this the day it comes out in May, it takes a long time to finish the application because it is very detailed and lengthy. You should finish your personal statement well before May, this is the thing that slows most people down and causes them to submit late. If you submit on June 1st, it will be processed and sent out to the schools as soon as they are done verifying your grades from the transcripts you send them. They will send it out to the schools even without an MCAT or LORs…

If you submit on June 1st, they will send it out to the schools by the end of the week (it actually only took a day for them to send mine when I submitted this year, AMCAS is fast! But if you wait to submit, it will take weeks and weeks). Then you will take the MCAT in late May and your scores will come out in late June, and you have to have them submitted to AMCAS as soon as they come out. They will send just these scores to the schools after that (since they have already sent your primary application).

As for LORs… You need to have them in ASAP! As I said before, they will send the primary with or without them… However, the schools will not even look at your application and consider you for an interview without your MCAT scores and LORs. If I were you, I would get those LORs by March 2011 and have them ready to be sent in May sometime. AMCAS will hold the letters until you submit your primary application. You need to send in your transcripts to AMCAS in May also. That way your whole application will be ready (minus the MCAT) when you click the submit button for the primary on June 1st. Have your committee write the letter and they will send it to interfolio. Then have interfolio send it to AMCAS. AMCAS sends it to each of the schools…

Med schools start looking at the primaries in late June, early July… Usually… But you need to have everything done well before June when you submit. It will make everything go much smoother. If you submit in July or later, it will take a month or more for them to process and send out your application. To say that an application is late is kind of a matter of opinion... I feel like sending it out in mid June is late... Haha. But I am a freak about getting things done in a timely manner... I am sure that everyone agrees that sending it out in August is late though...

I think I answered all of your questions... Let me know if you need any more explanations...
 
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As for LORs… You need to have them in ASAP! As I said before, they will send the primary with or without them… However, the schools will not even look at your application and consider you for an interview without your MCAT scores and LORs. If I were you, I would get those LORs by March 2011 and have them ready to be sent in May sometime.

oh wow...i didn't know this. i thought that the letters go with the secondary app. i'm going to have my letters written by my professors for this upcoming spring. i guess i'll have to make a strong impression by april (1 month before finals) and then ask for the letter. hmmm - we'll see.
 
oh wow...i didn't know this. i thought that the letters go with the secondary app. i'm going to have my letters written by my professors for this upcoming spring. i guess i'll have to make a strong impression by april (1 month before finals) and then ask for the letter. hmmm - we'll see.

The letters do go with the secondary app. So, the earliest any school will be looking at them is July.

So, you don't have to get them asap or by March. You do want to get them so they will be in by July or even August (people with Committee Letters usually need to wait this long).

You do want to get them in because a school will not look over your app and give you an interview without them for the most part. Plus, if you come on this forum in the summer, you will see about a million threads asking how to get their writers to get the letters in. So, it helps to plan ahead and get them in early. But you don't need to rush them that much.

Edit: To clarify, your primary WILL be sent without letters, so you can submit that early and turn in your letters later when you get them later.
 
thanks for clarifying this for me. i will plan ahead. submitting my primary june 1. will make sure letters are ready by early july so they don't delay my secondary.
 
The letters do go with the secondary app. So, the earliest any school will be looking at them is July.

So, you don't have to get them asap or by March. You do want to get them so they will be in by July or even August (people with Committee Letters usually need to wait this long).

You do want to get them in because a school will not look over your app and give you an interview without them for the most part. Plus, if you come on this forum in the summer, you will see about a million threads asking how to get their writers to get the letters in. So, it helps to plan ahead and get them in early. But you don't need to rush them that much.

Edit: To clarify, your primary WILL be sent without letters, so you can submit that early and turn in your letters later when you get them later.

They do "go with" the secondary app, but really they don't... Haha. The secondary application is now a separate thing since you are supposed to send your letters to AMCAS and they send them out (in the past this was not the case, it used to be sent directly to the schools bypassing AMCAS). Sure, technically the schools won't look at applications until late June/July. However, letters are always the biggest hold up in any application. Getting them in well before June will ensure that they are just waiting for you to send them to AMCAS. Trust me on this... I have been screwed many times... Including this year…

If you have your letters in by July or August, which is when they are already handing out the first round of interviews, you will be at a disadvantage. They don’t just look at your letters as soon as you send them in. They get filed in your application, then your application goes to the complete pile, then the committee will go through the complete pile and decide on who gets interviews. This is not a short process... Most schools will give secondary applications with or without the letters… But getting a secondary application means nothing (usually everyone with a heartbeat gets one), finishing a secondary application is useless without them getting those letters. Having the letters in before the secondary application is given to you is a must if you want to get an early interview and hopefully gain an early acceptance. The turnaround time from turning in a secondary to getting an interview is greatly decreased if you have those letters in early. Same with the MCAT also… But since you will have that score by late June, I would have those letters in before that so it will be the only missing piece…
 
Getting them in well before June will ensure that they are just waiting for you to send them to AMCAS. Trust me on this... I have been screwed many times...

oh i believe you on that! i've never been in this process before but i can bet that some professors keep delaying and delaying. anyway, i get your point too. we're both early birds (we have to be - gotta get the goods before the lions and tigers come in). i'll try to get the letters in asap - i'm sure they are a bottleneck in many applications.

thanks everyone for the advice. i can't believe such a seemingly "basic" question would be so illuminating.
 
They do "go with" the secondary app, but really they don't... Haha. The secondary application is now a separate thing since you are supposed to send your letters to AMCAS and they send them out (in the past this was not the case, it used to be sent directly to the schools bypassing AMCAS). Sure, technically the schools won't look at applications until late June/July. However, letters are always the biggest hold up in any application. Getting them in well before June will ensure that they are just waiting for you to send them to AMCAS. Trust me on this... I have been screwed many times... Including this year…

If you have your letters in by July or August, which is when they are already handing out the first round of interviews, you will be at a disadvantage. They don’t just look at your letters as soon as you send them in. They get filed in your application, then your application goes to the complete pile, then the committee will go through the complete pile and decide on who gets interviews. This is not a short process... Most schools will give secondary applications with or without the letters… But getting a secondary application means nothing (usually everyone with a heartbeat gets one), finishing a secondary application is useless without them getting those letters. Having the letters in before the secondary application is given to you is a must if you want to get an early interview and hopefully gain an early acceptance. The turnaround time from turning in a secondary to getting an interview is greatly decreased if you have those letters in early. Same with the MCAT also… But since you will have that score by late June, I would have those letters in before that so it will be the only missing piece…

I'm not arguing that getting in your letters early is not something you should strive to do. But rushing letters to get them in by March or April is not worth it. You may want to get some letters in by then if you have recommenders from earlier semesters, but if you are getting a current letter, you can push it back a bit.

My letters were in by late July, I got September and October interviews and early acceptances. It is not the end of the world. If your school does a Committee Letter, you will be lucky to get your letters in by the end of July (my committee didn't start writing until mid-July, and you probably read the many complaints on here).

It is always best to get everything done asap. But you will not be a huge disadvantage if you turn in your letters in July. You may miss the first round of interviews at some schools, but that isn't going to ruin your application season.
 
I was actually under the impression that AMCAS opens June 1st but does not start sending applications to schools until sometime later in June - I thought it was after June 20th. Some schools will send you a secondary as soon as your AMCAS is submitted (GW), others will wait until after you are verified by AMCAS or go through the individual school's screening process.

Noshie is definitely right about getting your LORs in prior to the process, we were recommended to have all of ours submitted to Career Services/Interfolio/etc. by the end of March. Another complicating issue is that schools may not have official transcripts ready to go until mid-June (those including the spring semester's grades), I ran into this at my school.
 
I was actually under the impression that AMCAS opens June 1st but does not start sending applications to schools until sometime later in June - I thought it was after June 20th. Some schools will send you a secondary as soon as your AMCAS is submitted (GW), others will wait until after you are verified by AMCAS or go through the individual school's screening process.

Noshie is definitely right about getting your LORs in prior to the process, we were recommended to have all of ours submitted to Career Services/Interfolio/etc. by the end of March. Another complicating issue is that schools may not have official transcripts ready to go until mid-June (those including the spring semester's grades), I ran into this at my school.

That is true that apps aren't sent to school until late June. So again, schools won't be looking at your app until July pretty much.

I completely agree that if you can get your letters in by March, do it. They really are the bottleneck of the process.

I was specifically addressing the poster saying he was going to try and get a spring semester prof to write a rec. In that case, it would be better to wait until the semester is over.

You also don't need to enter all your letters at the same time. So, get together as you can by March and maybe hold off on the last one. That still risks some delays but at least you would be dealing with only one prof and not 3 or 4.
 
Barcu, I didn't see your post. Very good advice, though. There's no point rushing LORs, though it would be nice to have them in and not have to worry about them.

The other option if you wait to get a LOR from a prof in your last semester is holding onto that late spring LOR to fire off later in the app process if you're not getting anywhere with interviews. It's a good option if you don't have anything for a true update letter.

My *personal preference* is to not get letter writers from my last semester of schoolwork - it saves worrying about this kind of thing.
 
where do you guys find out the dates as to when to submit and fill out the paper work...in the previous posts i hear people talking about may and june but is there a place where it gives you the clear cut dates as to when to have everything fillled out submitted
 
I have a question related to the AMCAS verification/transcript process - I'm on the quarter system and my spring grades will not come out until after June 1. Will I still be able to submit everything on June 1 or will I be delayed because of my spring quarter grades?
 
where do you guys find out the dates as to when to submit and fill out the paper work...in the previous posts i hear people talking about may and june but is there a place where it gives you the clear cut dates as to when to have everything fillled out submitted

The only clear cut dates are that you can submit starting June 1st. Then, the day it gets sent to schools is a clear date. This cycle it was June 24th, it should be similar next year (I think it is a Monday so it will change but pretty much be the same).

Also, the final deadline is of course final (October 15th).

In terms of the application opening up to start filling out. I'm not sure if there is an exact date. It is in May sometime, so you can fill in the app before you need to submit. Not sure if that's clear cut.

Other than that, the app season is a bit fluid. Some schools have specific dates you need to turn in secondaries (like a month after you receive it).
 
I have a question related to the AMCAS verification/transcript process - I'm on the quarter system and my spring grades will not come out until after June 1. Will I still be able to submit everything on June 1 or will I be delayed because of my spring quarter grades?

You can submit everything, and I suggest you do. However, you will not be processed until your transcripts arrive. So, you will be delayed, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal.
 
My school's pre-professional committee required a committee interview with each applicant which also required LOR's turned in by then to help them write recommendations. Since I wanted to submit early I interviewed in April and had given my LOR writers a deadline of four weeks in early March so that all was done. But another note is that my pre-professional adviser would not send out LOR's until I was verified with AMCAS. I guess they only want to deal with those that officially go through with applying as some students may back out at some point or push application back a year with not so good MCAT scores. Once LOR's are sent to AMCAS it is a quick process with verification out of the way since transcripts are sent as soon as possible after May grades. Additionally with AACOMAS if applying osteopathic also, she sent out LOR's through Interfolio to those individual schools that I sent in actual secondaries since AACOMAS doesn't have the same application process as AMCAS with LOR's. That required me letting her know each time I sent in a secondary for an osteopathic school...which I mostly did in small batches so that I didn't have to contact her too many times with this. Also, one thing to keep in mind if you have certain letter writers in mind, some professors are not around in the summer. This can really hold you up if not thought out well in advance or letting professors know early.
 
Wait, so what if you have an employer write your LOR. How do you upload those? Do we mail them in? How does that whole thing work? I have a couple of employers who I'm hoping to get letters from, and I'm not quite sure what to tell them in terms of how many copies I need or who to address it to. Sorry if this is a stupid question...
 
Wait, so what if you have an employer write your LOR. How do you upload those? Do we mail them in? How does that whole thing work? I have a couple of employers who I'm hoping to get letters from, and I'm not quite sure what to tell them in terms of how many copies I need or who to address it to. Sorry if this is a stupid question...

Well most undergraduate schools have a health professions office that provides a specific document that tells the recommender what to write and how to send it back to the office. The office will have a file on you and they collect all the letters. When it comes time to submit for med school, they will scan them and send them to the medical school.
 
I feel like this thread should be stickied. Lots of good information about the timeline of the application process, which can be rather confusing.
 
Wait, so what if you have an employer write your LOR. How do you upload those? Do we mail them in? How does that whole thing work? I have a couple of employers who I'm hoping to get letters from, and I'm not quite sure what to tell them in terms of how many copies I need or who to address it to. Sorry if this is a stupid question...

You can have your employers send their letters directly to AMCAS (see this FAQ), or you can use a managing service like Interfolio (useful if you have free access to an account, otherwise I'd just deal with AMCAS directly). Both will accept letters sent via postal service or electronically uploaded. Your letter writers only need to provide one copy, regardless of how many schools you are applying to. (I don't have experience as to whether your undergrad pre-med advising office would also manage letters from outside the institution, but in my opinion there's no need to introduce them as a middleman, anyway.) Generally, the opening greeting of the letter will be "to whom it may concern."
 
not to high jack this thread. But , when are you allowed to start filling out your application on AMCAS ? For the 2011-2012 cycle obviously.
 
not to high jack this thread. But , when are you allowed to start filling out your application on amcas ? For the 2011-2012 cycle obviously.

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Also, the posts by Rhino and I here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=711410&page=5

are pretty helpful. There is a lot of info on that page as well (Page 5 of the 2016 thread)

This is what she wrote:
CougarMD said:
For '16ers in general: I would say the best things you can be doing right now are (in order of importance):
1.) Study for the MCAT!!!!! (And don't slack off on your current classes)
2.) Start asking for letters of rec and create an Interfolio account. Trust us, it is totally worth it. Pay for three years or whatever just in case.
3.) Start figuring out what your "story" is. Why you want to be a physician, how what you have done thus far has led you to that point, and the multitude of ways you can talk about that. Your personal statement is not all you will be writing; the secondaries are just as important.
4.) Really start researching schools. Make lists. Apply SMART. Make sure that you apply to schools that are around your GPA (since you probably don't have your MCAT score yet). If you have a good idea of things you are interested in while in medical school (research, teaching, lots of clinical experience, a certain curriculum style) then figure out what schools have what you want so that in addition to applying smartly as far as your stats, you can apply smartly as far as your abilities and interests. Passion goes a long way.

Stuff to think about later (next year):
1.) Create an AMCAS account as soon as you can, even if you're not ready to apply. Then, have your transcripts sent in. I cannot tell you how many people on these boards complain every year that this is the single thing (other than LORS) holding up their verification. Just do it in May NO MATTER WHAT. Also fill out that part of the app; it is annoying and time consuming to list all of your classes but you have to do it. So just do it in May so it isn't hanging over your head later.
2.)Plan to pre-write a lot of your secondaries to help you save time and decrease your turn-around time.
3.) Have a backup plan (ways to improve your app; new volunteer opportunities, new job, etc). The worst feeling in the world is to have your app cycle not go well AND to know that you haven't done anything to change your application around December or January. Plus, doing something new just makes you a better human. Do it for yourself if nothing else.


Ok, first, about the backup plan....this one may be a matter of personal preference. I am a super-planning-control-freak-type-A-person. So I needed to know I was doing everything I could to minimize damage if things went wrong. Looking back, I think I would have been under WAY more stress if I hadn't started some cool new activities both to keep me busy AND to be sure that, if I applied again, I would VERY clearly be able to answer the question "How is your app different this year?". But that is just me. Plus, I had the luxury of not being in school. I do think that it is important to continue activities you've already been doing though, if you don't want to start something new.

The reason I say the stuff about a backup is because I feel like it can take FOREVER to get involved in something new. Even just for a volunteer position there can be interviews, orientation that only happens at certain times of the year, a wait list, etc. So I just give the "backup" suggestion to minimize possible future stress.

I can't comment on your chances ( the WAMC thread and people like LizzyM and Catalystic are better at that) but if you think you have good chances and you apply smart and that is what works for you, then do it.

For the committee letter thing...I am not from a school with a committee, so someone else may need to answer that. One thing I will say though is that you should contact your committee. Some of them only meet at certain times and they shove off early for the summer. I have also seen that happen to people on SDN; they didn't get the committee thing going early enough and had to wait until September for their letter.

The application can be SUBMITTED on or around June 1st but it opens around May 1st so you can start filling it out and send transcripts in.

And yes, if you decide you want to apply as early as possible, your spring grades would not be on there. This is a judgement call. If your spring grades matter a lot, wait until they come in before you send your transcripts in. If not, go ahead and do it and plan to send updates to schools. Sending them some good grades is a good reason to contact them later if you've had a lot of silence from them.

Here is how Interfolio works.

1.) You set up an account. The account has NOTHING to do with AMCAS. You could potentially store letters here and use them for ANYTHING; a job, a volunteer position, to adopt a puppy, whatever.
2.) Once you set up an account and you have talked to a person you want a letter from, you will "Send a Letter Request" through Interfolio. This will send an email to that person saying that you want a letter. They will then upload the letter directly to interfolio. You need to waive your right to read the letters (just do it). Make sure when you ask for letters that you remind the letter writer that the letter needs to be on official letterhead when possible, and SIGNED. They need to upload a scanned copy! This is important for several schools; they will kick back your letter if it isn't done this way.
3.) Once you start an AMCAS account, you will have your AMCAS ID. Then, whenever you want, you can have Interfolio send letters directly to AMCAS. They are actually sent electronically so they get there in 24 hours most of the time. You can specify in Interfolio that both your AMCAS ID and the Letter ID (you have to "create" a letter in AMCAS so that AMCAS knows that the letter is coming) is stamped on the letter.


First, if you're on the quarter system, your "Spring" doesn't end until late June. So for some people their grades aren't available until July.

Also, at a lot of schools, even if the semester ends Mid may, official grades may not be out for a few more weeks. Plus, the transcript still has to get there which may take a few more weeks. This really really depends on the school. At a lot of schools, you can pre-order transcripts and have it held for Spring grades. But even then the policy may be that they don't guarantee that they will get sent out until 2-3 weeks after grades are finalized. It just depends. If you go to an awesome school that has finals on May 15th, grades posted May 16th, and, if you pre-ordered transcripts, will send them out May 17th....then you're golden.

I would also suggest "rushing" transcripts whenever possible. The peace of mind is worth the extra money.

Also, keep in mind; you can submit without transcripts. The problem is that you will not be verified without them. The verification process is what takes time. If you submitted the first instant on June 1st, this year, you got verified on June 1st.

If you were like me and submitted in the evening of June 1st, it took about a week to get verified.

If you submitted June 3rd, it took 13 days or so; etc.

But you don't get verified until the transcripts are there.

It is not clear to me what your "place in line" is without transcripts. I can imagine one of two scenarios. Either you are in "line", and as soon as they get there, they will start verifying you. Or, you don't get put in line until your transcripts actually get there. I have a feeling it is the latter; I would check the "Official AMCAS Questions" Thread from this year if you really want to know. (I would suggest reading that thread over the next few months ANYWAY so that you know all there is to know and aren't asking questions in a panicked fashion last minute)

If you have more than one transcript to deal with (I had 8) starting to order them and get them in is especially important. If you only have 1....then maybe you can have a different approach.

Edit: One more thing to remember....your application isn't sent to schools until June 25th/26th. So getting verified on June 7th is NO different than getting verified on June 24th.

If you don't have MCAT scores yet, a good strategy is to create your AMCAS account, just add a single school that you are sure you want to apply to (either your state school or a school you have zero chance at, if you are that worried about your score) and then once your score comes in, immediately add the other schools. That way if things go horribly wrong, you haven't wasted your money applying to a dozen schools if you think you need to defer your app a year. And you won't be a reapplicant at those particular schools (though you would still be a reapplicant in general).
 
The only clear cut dates are that you can submit starting June 1st. Then, the day it gets sent to schools is a clear date. This cycle it was June 24th, it should be similar next year (I think it is a Monday so it will change but pretty much be the same).

i'm guessing that for people who apply in june, amcas will be very fast in verifying applications. so let's say that i submit june 20...amcas, i hear, come sometimes be as fast as 1 day if you're early...so is there a possibility (no guarantee) that they'll submit me too by june 24? (or whatever date they begin).
 
Are you guys saying we should have our lor sent directly to amcas and interfolio ASAP?

It's kind of cool that we only have to ask once. That is a huge load off.
 
i'm guessing that for people who apply in june, amcas will be very fast in verifying applications. so let's say that i submit june 20...amcas, i hear, come sometimes be as fast as 1 day if you're early...so is there a possibility (no guarantee) that they'll submit me too by june 24? (or whatever date they begin).
Unless something changes drastically this year....Probably not.

This year, if you submitted the morning of June 1st, you got verified in a day.

If you were like me and submitting the evening of June 1st, it took a week. It only got longer from there. I would assume at least 2 weeks for verification in June to be safe.


Are you guys saying we should have our lor sent directly to amcas and interfolio ASAP?

It's kind of cool that we only have to ask once. That is a huge load off.
Just have your LOR sent to Interfolio for now. AMCAS can't do anything with it until at least May when you create your application and have Letter IDs for each letter.
 
[beaten to the punch! arrrrrrr!]
 
so we get to see the letters ourselves? I thought it was confidential.
 
Ok, I am going to try and break this down simple style… 🙂

You are correct about needing to fill out the primary application with your personal information… You should start this the day it comes out in May, it takes a long time to finish the application because it is very detailed and lengthy. You should finish your personal statement well before May, this is the thing that slows most people down and causes them to submit late. If you submit on June 1st, it will be processed and sent out to the schools as soon as they are done verifying your grades from the transcripts you send them. They will send it out to the schools even without an MCAT or LORs…

If you submit on June 1st, they will send it out to the schools by the end of the week (it actually only took a day for them to send mine when I submitted this year, AMCAS is fast! But if you wait to submit, it will take weeks and weeks). Then you will take the MCAT in late May and your scores will come out in late June, and you have to have them submitted to AMCAS as soon as they come out. They will send just these scores to the schools after that (since they have already sent your primary application).

As for LORs… You need to have them in ASAP! As I said before, they will send the primary with or without them… However, the schools will not even look at your application and consider you for an interview without your MCAT scores and LORs. If I were you, I would get those LORs by March 2011 and have them ready to be sent in May sometime. AMCAS will hold the letters until you submit your primary application. You need to send in your transcripts to AMCAS in May also. That way your whole application will be ready (minus the MCAT) when you click the submit button for the primary on June 1st. Have your committee write the letter and they will send it to interfolio. Then have interfolio send it to AMCAS. AMCAS sends it to each of the schools…

Med schools start looking at the primaries in late June, early July… Usually… But you need to have everything done well before June when you submit. It will make everything go much smoother. If you submit in July or later, it will take a month or more for them to process and send out your application. To say that an application is late is kind of a matter of opinion... I feel like sending it out in mid June is late... Haha. But I am a freak about getting things done in a timely manner... I am sure that everyone agrees that sending it out in August is late though...

I think I answered all of your questions... Let me know if you need any more explanations...

This helped a lot, i have a question regarding the sending of LOR's
So when you ask for one from anyone you want, do you just tell them to send it to interfolio, which sends it too AMCAS? I'm not sure how the LOR's thing works, that's the only thing that confuses me, because I mean, can I ask for a LOR anytime i want and just hold on too it till it comes time to apply? I heard it's stored electronically etc
 
so we get to see the letters ourselves? I thought it was confidential.

When you create the letter request in Interfolio, you have the option of waiving your right to view them or not. You should waive your right to see them (i.e. keep them confidential).
 
This helped a lot, i have a question regarding the sending of LOR's
So when you ask for one from anyone you want, do you just tell them to send it to interfolio, which sends it too AMCAS? I'm not sure how the LOR's thing works, that's the only thing that confuses me, because I mean, can I ask for a LOR anytime i want and just hold on too it till it comes time to apply? I heard it's stored electronically etc

Yes. For now, you'll manage your LORs through Interfolio, which will store them. Once AMCAS opens, you'll create a record in your application for each letter, which will create an ID for each of them. Then you go to Interfolio to send the letters, matching the letters with the IDs you created in AMCAS. You have to do this manually -- it is not done automatically.
 
Unless something changes drastically this year....Probably not.

This year, if you submitted the morning of June 1st, you got verified in a day.

If you were like me and submitting the evening of June 1st, it took a week. It only got longer from there. I would assume at least 2 weeks for verification in June to be safe.



Just have your LOR sent to Interfolio for now. AMCAS can't do anything with it until at least May when you create your application and have Letter IDs for each letter.

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Yes. For now, you'll manage your LORs through Interfolio, which will store them. Once AMCAS opens, you'll create a record in your application for each letter, which will create an ID for each of them. Then you go to Interfolio to send the letters, matching the letters with the IDs you created in AMCAS. You have to do this manually -- it is not done automatically.

Thank you for clarifying

Man I'm like writing everything down for future purposes, I always had issues trying to understand the application process.

This thread is very good.
 
When you create the letter request in Interfolio, you have the option of waiving your right to view them or not. You should waive your right to see them (i.e. keep them confidential).

So we have to keep them confidential, got that. This sounds like a pretty neat system this interfolio. I think I will get the one year since I am cheap like that. Would you guys recommend filling out everything on interfolio prior to applying? This thread is amazing btw. Thanks!

edit: guys, I just read that you need to remind the letter writers about signing their letters or else the schools will have a fit.
 
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I have few other question regarding LOR's

1. How long in length is considered a good LOR, let's just say it's well-written, would it be a paragraph or two?

2. Do you necessarily need a committee letter or is like a substitution for 4-5 LOR's? Would it just be fine to get 2 LOR's from science faculty and 2 from physicians, that's what i was thinking of doing?
 
So we have to keep them confidential, got that. This sounds like a pretty neat system this interfolio. I think I will get the one year since I am cheap like that. Would you guys recommend filling out everything on interfolio prior to applying? This thread is amazing btw. Thanks!

edit: guys, I just read that you need to remind the letter writers about signing their letters or else the schools will have a fit.
Also....on letterhead if possible🙂
I'm not sure what you mean about "filling out everything on Interfolio"?
I have few other question regarding LOR's

1. How long in length is considered a good LOR, let's just say it's well-written, would it be a paragraph or two?

2. Do you necessarily need a committee letter or is like a substitution for 4-5 LOR's? Would it just be fine to get 2 LOR's from science faculty and 2 from physicians, that's what i was thinking of doing?
my BFF is a professor at a prestigious university, and is on the adcom for PhD admissions. His view: Well written and short is the way to go. A paragraph may be too short. It should include:
-Why you're awesome (how you stand apart from others, what your skills are)
-How this person knows you and how long they have known you
-Why they are qualified to judge that you're awesome

I kind of doubt that can all happen in one paragraph...but you never know.

If your school has a committee, from what I understand, you are taking a big risk if you don't use them. Some schools will heavily question what is "wrong" with you if you could have had a committee letter and didn't. There may be a lot of others better qualified to answer this question (my school didn't have a committee) but this is my general understanding
 
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Also....on letterhead if possible🙂
I'm not sure what you mean about "filling out everything on Interfolio"?

my BFF is a professor at a prestigious university, and is on the adcom for PhD admissions. His view: Well written and short is the way to go. A paragraph may be too short. It should include:
-Why you're awesome (how you stand apart from others, what your skills are)
-How this person knows you and how long they know you
-Why they are qualified to judge that you're awesome

I kind of doubt that can all happen in one paragraph...but you never know.

If your school has a committee, from what I understand, you are taking a big risk if you don't use them. Some schools will heavily question what is "wrong" with you if you could have had a committee letter and didn't. There may be a lot of others better qualified to answer this question (my school didn't have a committee) but this is my general understanding

I need a better understanding of this, For example, Prehealth Advisory Committee , if they have one, let's say at my school, do you have to have that same level of relationship you do as too if you were asking for LOR's from professors and physicians since they you know you better?

Or do you just ask for one from the committee and they most likely will write a positive one for you, do you have to have the same relationship towards the committee as you would if you were asking a professor? That's what I'm basically asking, because I'm wondering how would or could you impress a committee and hope for them to write you a good LOR?

Hopefully you understand what I'm asking.
 
Professors are pretty busy so ask them for a letter as soon as you feel comfortable enough to do so. Some will have it in the next week, most will have it done within a month, and then there are those you have to keep reminding even 3 months after your request. It doesn't hurt to get it in early. Just provide your letter writers with the necessary info they will need, like your CV and transcript (if that will help).
 
Professors are pretty busy so ask them for a letter as soon as you feel comfortable enough to do so. Some will have it in the next week, most will have it done within a month, and then there are those you have to keep reminding even 3 months after your request. It doesn't hurt to get it in early. Just provide your letter writers with the necessary info they will need, like your CV and transcript (if that will help).

Good idea, I really never thought about that ;/
Thanks
 
I need a better understanding of this, For example, Prehealth Advisory Committee , if they have one, let's say at my school, do you have to have that same level of relationship you do as too if you were asking for LOR's from professors and physicians since they you know you better?

Or do you just ask for one from the committee and they most likely will write a positive one for you, do you have to have the same relationship towards the committee as you would if you were asking a professor? That's what I'm basically asking, because I'm wondering how would or could you impress a committee and hope for them to write you a good LOR?

Hopefully you understand what I'm asking.
Like I said man...I don't know. I have no experience with a committee and generally ignore the conversations about them on SDN because they don't apply to me. I would do a search of the forum. But I think they interview you at a lot of schools (the committee). I have heard people say that this interview was the worst they have had. Other "committee" letters are made up of several professor letters that are combined into a committee letter, I think?

Again...not my wheelhouse.

Go talk to the committee and see what they do.
 
Like I said man...I don't know. I have no experience with a committee and generally ignore the conversations about them on SDN because they don't apply to me. I would do a search of the forum. But I think they interview you at a lot of schools (the committee). I have heard people say that this interview was the worst they have had. Other "committee" letters are made up of several professor letters that are combined into a committee letter, I think?

Again...not my wheelhouse.

Go talk to the committee and see what they do.

Hmmm..
Ah it's cool, i guess i needa figure out what this "committee" is about.

I mean I heard from other people you can just get LOR's from other faculty in replace of a committee letter, than i search the web and it says 3-4 LOR's + a committee letter. So yea just gotta do more research. Hopefully somewhere on here can shed some light.

Thanks tho man
 
Unless something changes drastically this year....Probably not.

This year, if you submitted the morning of June 1st, you got verified in a day.

If you were like me and submitting the evening of June 1st, it took a week. It only got longer from there. I would assume at least 2 weeks for verification in June to be safe.

whoa! that is a significant difference. thank you so much for clarifying this for me. you gave info in a level of clarity and precision that i don't expect a standard book or guide to provide. i appreciate it!
 
To add another data point: according to my AMCAS app, I submitted in mid-June and was processed in mid-July. So..yeah, get it done early. 🙂
 
Hmmm..
Ah it's cool, i guess i needa figure out what this "committee" is about.

I mean I heard from other people you can just get LOR's from other faculty in replace of a committee letter, than i search the web and it says 3-4 LOR's + a committee letter. So yea just gotta do more research. Hopefully somewhere on here can shed some light.

Thanks tho man

I had to do a committee letter.

It was a pretty long process actually. Started in the fall before I applied. Early in the spring semester (before the June I applied), I had to have two letters of rec in, submit a rough draft of my PS, and then do a series of essay questions (why doctor, what is favorite activity, strengths, weaknesses, etc). Then, I had to do a mock interview with the premed committee (like someone said, was actually my most intense interview). By the May, I had to submit another 1-2 recommendations.

Then, in July, the committee met and wrote one letter of recommendation for me. They actually take parts of all the material they got. So they write what they think, include quotes from my PS, essay questions, and interview (which they taped) as well as quotes from my 4 LORs. This was all in one large LOR. They also send my four individual LORs along with the committee letter.

I was told different things about how schools treat the committee letter. Some apparently will only read the committee letter thoroughly, since it pretty much includes highlights from all my other letters. Others I guess read the letter as well as the other LORs (this is all hearsay btw).

One thing I heard over and over again was that if your school has a committee letter, you better do it. You will have to explain why you didn't, and I'm not sure what a good reason would be.

I thought it was a great process. Again, it was a long process, but it kept me on top of everything. I had to have my PS and some LORs turned in by February, so I got a headstart on everything. This made my application season a breeze (at least in terms of getting stuff in on time).

The major downside was that committee letters take a while. They waited until AMCAS was verified and did not start writing until mid-July. So, my letters weren't in until late July, almost a month after I had turned in a number of secondaries. Still, not much you could do about that since it is pretty much a requirement if your school has one.
 
edit: 😳 nevermind my question below in this post which i've faded out. my mcat score is going to be a big + to my application (that's the plan!) so my spring semester letter writers better see them by may 17 at the latest which means they'll be available as transcripts are verified.
if you submit your transcript without mcat scores, meanwhile do they still verify your transcripts? or do they wait to receive mcat scores before verifying?
 
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edit: deleted, unnecessary question. i'm sorry.
 
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I had to do a committee letter.

It was a pretty long process actually. Started in the fall before I applied. Early in the spring semester (before the June I applied), I had to have two letters of rec in, submit a rough draft of my PS, and then do a series of essay questions (why doctor, what is favorite activity, strengths, weaknesses, etc). Then, I had to do a mock interview with the premed committee (like someone said, was actually my most intense interview). By the May, I had to submit another 1-2 recommendations.

Then, in July, the committee met and wrote one letter of recommendation for me. They actually take parts of all the material they got. So they write what they think, include quotes from my PS, essay questions, and interview (which they taped) as well as quotes from my 4 LORs. This was all in one large LOR. They also send my four individual LORs along with the committee letter.

I was told different things about how schools treat the committee letter. Some apparently will only read the committee letter thoroughly, since it pretty much includes highlights from all my other letters. Others I guess read the letter as well as the other LORs (this is all hearsay btw).

One thing I heard over and over again was that if your school has a committee letter, you better do it. You will have to explain why you didn't, and I'm not sure what a good reason would be.

I thought it was a great process. Again, it was a long process, but it kept me on top of everything. I had to have my PS and some LORs turned in by February, so I got a headstart on everything. This made my application season a breeze (at least in terms of getting stuff in on time).

The major downside was that committee letters take a while. They waited until AMCAS was verified and did not start writing until mid-July. So, my letters weren't in until late July, almost a month after I had turned in a number of secondaries. Still, not much you could do about that since it is pretty much a requirement if your school has one.

I have a few questions:
-How do you approach the committee? Do you just ask, then you go through the long process in order to get your LOR from them?
-Can you just send the other 3-4 LOR's when AMCAS opens so it will be early or do you have to include them with your committee letter.

-The only thing that bothers me is that everyone talks about using interfolio etc, but in reality you can just try to get a committee letter than they will send all your LOR's plus a committee letter themselves right? So you can basically can just sit back, while they send everything?

So if there is no committee, you do everything basically yourself right? Such as using interfolio and sending your LOR's to AMCAS while on the other hand, the committee sends all your LOR's+letter
 
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