Couples Match - Strong and weak applicant

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How would couples match play out if one applicant is strong and one is weak (per USMLE score)? Would the weak one get a boost up ("we want the strong one, I guess we will take the weak one too") or would the strong one get pulled down?
 
How would couples match play out if one applicant is strong and one is weak (per USMLE score)? Would the weak one get a boost up ("we want the strong one, I guess we will take the weak one too") or would the strong one get pulled down?

Warning! Second hand info, but I trust my source:

I heard of one case where the wife wanted OB, and they OB department liked her SO much that the OB dept convinced the Ortho dept to take her husband, even though he wasn't very competitive stat wise.

Probably highly unlikely at best.
 
Warning! Second hand info, but I trust my source:

I heard of one case where the wife wanted OB, and they OB department liked her SO much that the OB dept convinced the Ortho dept to take her husband, even though he wasn't very competitive stat wise.

Probably highly unlikely at best.


OB telling Ortho what to do? This hospital must be in bizzaro world
 
The program directors I have talked to said it hurts your chances of matching if one applicant is weak.
 
The program directors I have talked to said it hurts your chances of matching if one applicant is weak.
I love this website and how ridic it is because of people like you. You asked if a bad application is bad and someone said it is bad and you shared that it is bad.
How was this not obvious to everyone everywhere? Oh God, I love you.
 
Our deans have told us that it usually helps the weaker applicant more than it hurts the stronger applicant. Also, it can't hurt the stronger applicant if the two apply to the same residency but at different hospitals in the same city no?
 
Having gone through the couples match a couple of years ago, here are thoughts based on my experiences. As one poster above mentioned, there is no one answer, but I think that understanding and thinking through the process a bit will help you make decisions for yourself. I’ll try to keep it brief, but it’s a lot to think about.
The first thing you need to understand is how the couple’s match works. While solo applicants rank programs, couples rank permutations of programs:
1. John Medicine at NYU, Susan Derm at NYU
2. John Medicine at NYU, Susan Derm at Cornell
3. John Medicine at Cornell, Susan Derm at Cornell
4. John Medicine at Cornell, Susan Derm at NYU
5. John Medicine at UCLA, Susan Derm at UCLA
6. John Medicine at UCLA, Susan Derm at USC
7. John Medicine at UCLA, Susan Derm at NYU
8. John doesn’t match, Susan Derm at NYU
9. John Sugery at NYU, Susan Derm at NYU


And so on in a seemingly endless fashion with any permutation of programs you can come up with and are willing to endure. Notice that you can choose to be willing to match in separate cities, and you can choose to have one person not match. That’s a pretty simplified view, but when I was in your position, I didn’t even understand that much. Just so you’re aware, you are charged per program when you make the rank list, not permutation, so you can make as many permutations as you would like to without incurring a financial penalty.


You mentioned the weakness being the board score, but the specialty being applied to is also relevant. Is it a weak board score applying to something competitive like neurosurgery, or something less competitive like family medicine? It makes a difference.


As mentioned in earlier posts, it also makes a difference whether or not you are applying to the same specialty. I think applying to the same specialty makes things more difficult for the simple reason that if I were a PD, I would not want a “couple” in the same class in my program because of potential problems down the road. It wouldn’t be a problem if you were at different programs in the same city, but when you do that you’re effectively decreasing the number of programs/positions that are available to you, which decreases your odds. Having said that, I’m not a PD, and there are probably PDs out there who don’t have a problem with couples in their residency classes. My best guess is that the majority don’t.


If you’re in different specialties, programs within the same institution can and do talk to each other. They are not obligated to, and not all do, but I guarantee that some do. I don’t know how much influence that has, and I’m sure it varies between institutions and programs.



Back to the original question:
I think people are answering the same question in different ways, which makes this even more confusing, so I’m going to break it down into multiple, more specific questions:
1. Does the weaker applicant decrease the stronger applicant’s chances of being ranked highly?
Probably not. There is no real incentive for the program to rank them lower.

2. Does the stronger applicant increase the weaker applicant’s chances of being ranked higher?
Maybe, but I think it’s only going to have a significant impact if the weaker applicant has some intrinsic appeal.


Ultimately those two questions aren’t really what you care about, what matters in the end is whether or not you will match into that program (or any program). So the questions become:


1. Does the weaker applicant decrease the stronger applicant’s chances of matching into a given program?
The short answer is “Yes” because if the weaker applicant can’t match into the same region as the stronger candidate’s program of choice, then the stronger candidate won’t match there either, even if they were ranked #1. You can avoid this by listing permutations that allow the two of you to go to programs in different cities, but this defeats the purpose of the match.

2. Does the stronger applicant increase the weaker applicant’s chances of matching?
Maybe if they were in the grey zone. For example, the positive attention directed towards the weaker applicant may cause them to rank them a couple slots higher, which would help them match there. It’s not, however, going to move the weaker applicant from being ranked #47 to #7.

3. Does the stronger applicant decrease the chance of the weaker applicant matching?
Unfortunately, couples matching is just more difficult, and whether your both strong or both weak, your chances are just decreased by the numbers. In theory, you could prevent each other from matching even if you are both strong applicants. Consider this: If partner A matches is only able to match at UCSF, and partner B is only able to match at MGH, but they have not included that permutation in their rank list, neither will match.


So what do you do to have a successful couples match?
1. Apply broadly


2. Focus on cities that have many programs for each of you


3. Be realistic about your chances of matching into a particular specialty. I’m not saying you shouldn’t try, but if you’re trying to get into dermatology and with a Step 1 of 205, you should have a plan B. Talk to your advisor.


4. Consider all possible permutations for your rank list, but only rank the ones you are really willing to do. Participating in the match is a binding contract.
The question of whether or not to tell programs that you are couples matching always come up, so I’ll just go ahead and address it. Whatever you do, don’t lie, don’t bend the truth, and don’t be deceitful. You don’t have to advertise anything, and I wouldn’t tell them that you’re couples matching until the interview itself, but don’t hide it. If you find yourself watching what you’re saying to avoid letting it slip, you’re doing yourself a disservice. If you’re so involved with somebody that you’re doing the couples match with them, they better be a big part of your life, and it’s going to come out at some point during the interview day. Be yourself and show them who you are. Figure out how to talk about your relationship and convey how positive it is and how it contributes to making you a better doctor and person—it shouldn’t be all that difficult.


The last thing to remember is that you are not just a board score, and program directors recognize that. Once you have an interview, your foot is in the door, and it is an opportunity to highlight your strengths. The playing field has been leveled, and it is your time to shine.



I hope that was helpful.



Good luck.
 
The best option is to have a SO who is NOT A DOCTOR. I'd go crazy if my wife was doing this too. Oh, and don't go into business with your spouse.
 
what i knew about CM so far was that you can decide to go with the SO or go SOLO by the time of interviews. however, i saw in ERAS that they ask this question on the ERAS CAF?

Will we be able to change the YES to NO or vice versa down the line?
 
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