Cytopath--Emory vs Duke vs Wake Forest

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How would you rank them in terms of fellowship training?

 

[LADoc00]

How would you rank them in terms of fellowship training?

Ug. I would really reconsider cytopath fellowship....not at all useful IMO.

Unless you plan to do an FNA clinic or something. Last time I looked at that biz model tho, it was a bust unless you plug crazy high volume.

Derm-GI-GU-General Surg Path-Heme.

😉

 

[Thaitanium]

Ug. I would really reconsider cytopath fellowship....not at all useful IMO.

Unless you plan to do an FNA clinic or something. Last time I looked at that biz model tho, it was a bust unless you plug crazy high volume.

Derm-GI-GU-General Surg Path-Heme.

😉

Not at all useful from a business moneymaking perspective? You have to read cytopath in practice and I dont think a few months of cytopath is enough to be competent to signout independently in practice. Plus, practices will ask that you signout cytopath as well...so a fellowship will be helpful if you dont feel comfortable. That said, I was told you can "learn cytopath on the job."

From a business standpoint you are prob right. I dont have experience in that area.

 

[LADoc00]

Not at all useful from a business moneymaking perspective? You have to read cytopath in practice and I dont think a few months of cytopath is enough to be competent to signout independently in practice. Plus, practices will ask that you signout cytopath as well...so a fellowship will be helpful if you dont feel comfortable. That said, I was told you can "learn cytopath on the job."

From a business standpoint you are prob right. I dont have experience in that area.

From a Moneyball perspective really.

In most groups cytology wont be more than 5-10% revenues. In many groups GU+GI is > 50%.

Also from a marketing standpoint, 99% of clinicians that send out cyto specimens dont care if the recipient has cyto boards where 99% of dermatologists DO care if the pathologist has dermpath boards..make sense?

 

[Thaitanium]

From a Moneyball perspective really.

In most groups cytology wont be more than 5-10% revenues. In many groups GU+GI is > 50%.

Also from a marketing standpoint, 99% of clinicians that send out cyto specimens dont care if the recipient has cyto boards where 99% of dermatologists DO care if the pathologist has dermpath boards..make sense?

Thanks for clarifying. I knew that most pathologists can sign out most surgpath and cytopath but did not know about the derm bit. Do clinicians care whether you are GI or GU fellowship trained?

 

[LADoc00]

Thanks for clarifying. I knew that most pathologists can sign out most surgpath and cytopath but did not know about the derm bit. Do clinicians care whether you are GI or GU fellowship trained?

Umm unfortunately now they do thanks to Bostwick Labs, OURlab, Ameripath etc. going to national GU/GI meetings.

 

[Thaitanium]

Ug. I would really reconsider cytopath fellowship....not at all useful IMO.

Unless you plan to do an FNA clinic or something. Last time I looked at that biz model tho, it was a bust unless you plug crazy high volume.

Derm-GI-GU-General Surg Path-Heme.

😉

Why is Heme last LA?

 

[Torsed]

How would you rank them in terms of fellowship training?

To get back to the original topic, I would chose Wake Forest first because Geisinger is there. All the prior blabbin' about business models etc. would be most relevant as Dr. Geisinger has his own cytolab. If I could do Cyto fellowship again that is where I would go, I know they seem to take internal candidates (like good ole' Kentucky weddings!...too much inbreddin'....sho does produce funny lookin' hounds).

I find my cyto fellowship was most useful in private practice, from an academic standpoint, but LA is right, if you lose your GI supply one is royally screwed.

I have been fortunate regarding GI that even though the pod labs get a lot of the outpatient stuff, they have to do ablations in a hosptial setting in case of complications (you know what that means), so we manage to get a small chunk from the local pod plants.

I don't know about Emory and if you going to Emory you should know about the nightmare of GRADY! Blah.... Duke gots dem some imbreddin' as well and you've already dun been educated on them hounds right?

 

[zao275]

I'm doing dermpath at Emory, so I have not ever rotated on the cytopath service here. That said, I know the cytopath fellows pretty well and they all seem to be happy with it. Many fellows come from internally (which may be a good sign with regards to how well the residents like the cytopath experience), although I know they sometimes take outside people. The cytopath faculty are all very nice and I imagine they would be easy to work with.

 

[oldfatman]

Cytopath should be integrated with surg path during residency. You don't need cyto boards to be able to read pap smears.