DAT/GPA correlation?

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Would it be logical to assume that apps with high GPAs also have high DAT scores? I'm taking mine in April, haven't studied yet (will start in January) and am hoping I knock it out. I got a pretty high GPA, reasonable amount of extracurriculars, and now this DAT seems to be a pretty weighty factor...kinda like one of those rude overweight people at buffets who steal all the crablegs like starving beasts...
IM SCARED!
 
dexadental said:
Would it be logical to assume that apps with high GPAs also have high DAT scores? I'm taking mine in April, haven't studied yet (will start in January) and am hoping I knock it out. I got a pretty high GPA, reasonable amount of extracurriculars, and now this DAT seems to be a pretty weighty factor...kinda like one of those rude overweight people at buffets who steal all the crablegs like starving beasts...
IM SCARED!

I think there would be some correlation; moreso if you went to a really difficult school where it was hard to get a high gpa. However, there's always exceptions. The DAT is a different type of test than what you would take in college; so some people may have a low gpa and score high, and vice versa.
 
i think the gpa is definitely more imp, ESP the science one. i know this guy who applied this year, had a 3.5 science gpa and a 16/15 dat and he got into tufts.
i was like ARE U SERIOUS? 16/15?! 😱
so yeah the gpa is definitely more imp!
 
I hate when the crab legs are gone. 🙁
 
Yes unfortunately most schools view GPA as more important, but why??

Clearly it is not. For example look at my case. I did a double major in 4 years at UCSD and got a 2.9. If I had stuck to just one degree I could have easily got close to a 4.0.

Also you have to take into account the school. I went to UCSD and just to get in there you need over a 4.0 in high school and about a 1400 SAT just to be average. Just so you know the average GPA at UCSD is 2.8

So when someone has a 2.8 at UCSD it may actually be harder to do than get a 3.7 at some easy school.

Also isn't it a bit of a joke when people on here said they had over a 4.0 college GPA. Is that person really more qualified than a person who went to a tough school and got a 3.0?

For people like me we just have to find the schools that aren't myopic and look at the whole picture and view GPA on an individual basis.

By the way my DAT was 22 with not much time to study so there is no correlation between my GPA and DAT.
 
rajmahal2004 said:
Yes unfortunately most schools view GPA as more important, but why??

Clearly it is not. For example look at my case. I did a double major in 4 years at UCSD and got a 2.9. If I had stuck to just one degree I could have easily got close to a 4.0.

Also you have to take into account the school. I went to UCSD and just to get in there you need over a 4.0 in high school and about a 1400 SAT just to be average. Just so you know the average GPA at UCSD is 2.8

So when someone has a 2.8 at UCSD it may actually be harder to do than get a 3.7 at some easy school.

Also isn't it a bit of a joke when people on here said they had over a 4.0 college GPA. Is that person really more qualified than a person who went to a tough school and got a 3.0?

For people like me we just have to find the schools that aren't myopic and look at the whole picture and view GPA on an individual basis.

By the way my DAT was 22 with not much time to study so there is no correlation between my GPA and DAT.

true that. I go to UCSD too and you need over 4.0 and close to 1400 to get into UCSD. I should have not come to UCSD. It's way too hard to get good grades.
 
rajmahal2004 said:
Yes unfortunately most schools view GPA as more important, but why??

Clearly it is not. For example look at my case. I did a double major in 4 years at UCSD and got a 2.9. If I had stuck to just one degree I could have easily got close to a 4.0.

Also you have to take into account the school. I went to UCSD and just to get in there you need over a 4.0 in high school and about a 1400 SAT just to be average. Just so you know the average GPA at UCSD is 2.8

So when someone has a 2.8 at UCSD it may actually be harder to do than get a 3.7 at some easy school.

Also isn't it a bit of a joke when people on here said they had over a 4.0 college GPA. Is that person really more qualified than a person who went to a tough school and got a 3.0?

For people like me we just have to find the schools that aren't myopic and look at the whole picture and view GPA on an individual basis.

By the way my DAT was 22 with not much time to study so there is no correlation between my GPA and DAT.
you sound pretty defensive. i don't think ANY of the dental schools have the luxury of being myopic. each one will view the applicant as a whole picture. we always hear about these crazy exceptions for a reason - because a few numbers don't always tell the whole picture and the adcoms are perfectly aware of that. sure they want to see a strong background but they also want to see a strong potential.

about the 4.0 thing. there are definitely a lot of people who have 4.0s from easy schools, but i dont think its fair to take credit away from the 4.0s that did go to more difficult undergraduate programs, because they do in fact exist....
 
no correlation
 
rajmahal2004 said:
Yes unfortunately most schools view GPA as more important, but why??

Clearly it is not. For example look at my case. I did a double major in 4 years at UCSD and got a 2.9. If I had stuck to just one degree I could have easily got close to a 4.0.

Also you have to take into account the school. I went to UCSD and just to get in there you need over a 4.0 in high school and about a 1400 SAT just to be average. Just so you know the average GPA at UCSD is 2.8

So when someone has a 2.8 at UCSD it may actually be harder to do than get a 3.7 at some easy school.

Also isn't it a bit of a joke when people on here said they had over a 4.0 college GPA. Is that person really more qualified than a person who went to a tough school and got a 3.0? I only majored in one subject, but undergrad kicked my ass. But I don't blame the school, only that I didn't focus enough on what was important.

For people like me we just have to find the schools that aren't myopic and look at the whole picture and view GPA on an individual basis.

By the way my DAT was 22 with not much time to study so there is no correlation between my GPA and DAT.

I don't think its so wrong to weight GPA more heavily. GPA is a measurement of not just intellect, but how much hard work you've put in over the a four year period academically. The DAT is only a 4 hour test and you can get lucky if they ask certain questions that you happened to study for more.

Like you, I went to a relatively difficult undergrad, but I have never attended any other college, so I wouldn't know for sure if I would have done worlds better at an easier school. How many other schools have you attended? I'm sure CSU schools for example are not nearly as competitive so there might have been as much a push to work as hard.

You mention that you could have gotten a 4.0 if you didn't double major, but instead you have a 2.8. Wouldn't this send a message to adcoms maybe you bit off more than you could chew? I know for me personally, I wouldn't blame my undergrad school for my low grades. I would only blame myself for not being focused enough on what I should have been doing. I'm lucky there's a school like UOP out there which does weight DATs more however. I feel like I'm getting second chance to make up for past mistakes.
 
IMO, your gpa reflects your whole student life where DAT does not. If someone has a strong basic knowledge in science, he/she will score a decent score if he/she studies it seriously even in a short period of time. This could be a few weeks or a few months. So, it's reasonable for some schools to weigh gpa heavier than the dat.
Your comparison between a 2.8 and a 3.7 doesn't make very good sense. It may be correct if it's between a university and a jc (although some JC's are damn tough). But if you compare between any two universities, I don't think it's that much of a difference. The difference is prob a few tenths.
On the other hand, there are some schools that weigh dat heavier than gpa. And they use the same arguement as you do.
 
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luder98 said:
IMO, your gpa reflects your whole student life where DAT does not. If someone has a strong basic knowledge in science, he/she will score a decent score if he/she studies it seriously even in a short period of time. This could be a few weeks or a few months. So, it's reasonable for some schools to weigh gpa heavier than the dat.
Your comparison between a 2.8 and a 3.7 doesn't make very good sense. It may be correct if it's between a university and a jc (although some JC's are damn tough). But if you compare between any two universities, I don't think it's that much of a difference. The difference is prob a few tenths.
On the other hand, there are some schools that weigh dat heavier than gpa. And they use the same arguement as you do.

Excellent post Luda. 👍 👍 👍

I agree 100%.
 
rajmahal2004 said:
Also you have to take into account the school. I went to UCSD and just to get in there you need over a 4.0 in high school and about a 1400 SAT just to be average.

you are kidding right. UCSD, you mean U of California-SanDiego? if so, that is the biggest load of crap. the rich dumb kids from my old high school went to UCSD, only because of the weather. They were nowhere near 4.0 students i'd i'd be surprised if their SAT's were around 1100. over 4.0??!! come on man. UCSD isn't even a top 5 university in the state.
 
dexadental said:
Would it be logical to assume that apps with high GPAs also have high DAT scores? I'm taking mine in April, haven't studied yet (will start in January) and am hoping I knock it out. I got a pretty high GPA, reasonable amount of extracurriculars, and now this DAT seems to be a pretty weighty factor...kinda like one of those rude overweight people at buffets who steal all the crablegs like starving beasts...
IM SCARED!


dexadental-

The DAT, you must remember, is a test which can ask a question about almost any aspect of Chem, bio and ochem, not to mention the topics for the RC are kinda random. How well you do is as much preparing for the test as it is how lucky you are. If you're weak in ochem, as I was, and the questions you get are the rxns you remember, then GPA and grades just don't matter. The difference between a 17 and a 23+ is just a handful of questions on each section.

My best advice for high DAT score? In the days right before the test, take as many actual computerized practice exams (Kaplan) as possible. This will make the actual exam very familiar and you'll be able to focus on remembering 3+ years of science instead of stressing out.
 
UMDeeMan said:
you are kidding right. UCSD, you mean U of California-SanDiego? if so, that is the biggest load of crap. the rich dumb kids from my old high school went to UCSD, only because of the weather. They were nowhere near 4.0 students i'd i'd be surprised if their SAT's were around 1100. over 4.0??!! come on man. UCSD isn't even a top 5 university in the state.

You sure they didn't go to San Diego State or U of San Diego? There are a bunch of schools down there and they're all party except for UCSD. I was planning to go to UCSD until I found out I got into Berkeley. SAT IIs also weigh a lot into the UC admission formula too, more so than SAT Is.
 
WOW...I didn't expect so many responses to my little post, this forum is great! As far as the GPA and DAT debate, I didn't intend to spark discussion about which one deserves more weight in the admissions process, but you all make some interesting points. I myself do believe that your GPA reflects, as others said, a conclusive sum of your entire academic performance, which includes general trends in motivation and achievement, vital for any admissions committee. Now I have no problem with the DAT, as I will be taking it and welcoming it with open arms come this April, I'm just a bit biased in what I feel deserves more credit in terms of one's application. About the whole "my college was harder than yours so I'm entitled to a lower GPA" argument...I just don't buy it. Anyone can transfer into almost any college, key word almost, and that includes UCSD...just get your AA form Podunk Community College and your studying with the likes of people who busted their tushies 4 years earlier. I don't condone this, its just the truth...
 
If somebody has a 4.0 at a less prestigous university, whose to say they won't get a 4.0 or another really high GPA at a more competitve school? They aren't handing out 4.0's at these "easier" universities. If someone has gotten this GPA it reflects their hard work and dedication. I think that a lot of schools take this into consideration. Otherwise it would be DISCRIMINATION. But I am sure they also take into consideration where you went to school because even that reflects what kind of student you are.....The Adcoms know what they are doing!

As for DAT and GPA correlation, I think it refelcts quite badly on someone if they have a 4.0 but cant manage equally above average scores on the DAT. On the UCSF website it says that they look at this correlation.
 
my thoughts, in regard to the GPA, this allows you to have screw ups. you can totally not understand a certain section in a course and you can bomb an exam and still pull a B (or even an A, based on how the teacher grades). some organic teachers curve their exams, some don't. With the GPA there is just way too many variables.

the DAT, same for everyone. PERIOD. can you have a bad day? sure. but let's do some integration here. you knew when you were taking the DAT, you knew what material was going to be covered, and you knew how important a high score is on this test. So how is this different from the drive, determination, consistancy (which you all speak of in regard to getting a high gpa) that is required to study and prepare for the DAT in order to rock a wicked good score? YOU CAN TAKE THE THING OVER TOO IF YOU AREN"T HAPPY!! I don't have this luxury in my undergrad classes. does anyone understand what i'm at getting here?

to sum it up, if you really put in all that hard work for your classes and actually LEARNED and RETAINED the information you were presented in class, then minimal studying for the DAT should be needed. It was mentioned earlier about correlations between DAT and GPA. Although correlation does not necessarily mean causation (gen psych anyone??), it obvsiously still should be looked at. IMO, a person with a mega high GPA (3.8-4.0) who gets a 15-18 on the DAT has some explaining to do in my book. obviously there is some issues with the undergrad institution. on the other hand, a student with a lower gpa (3.0-3.2) who gets 24+ on th DAT, i would think, is in a much better position. Being a "gunner" shouldn't be a requirement for dental school. a normal, healthy, well-rounded dental applicant should be in the range of 3.3-3.6 GPA and 18-22 DAT in my book. i think those would be ideal numbers to have and if i were and adcom, i'd go with this student then one whom is more top-heavy in say just one section. my opinion.
 
UMDeeMan your ignorance is quite amazing!!

For science UCSD is clearly in the top 5 in the country. You should try reading a scientific journal, UCSD is one of the best in the nation for scientific research. And yes you need over a 4.0 and about a 1400 SAT to go to UCSD. You should check your stats before making idiotic statements. Maybe you are talking about USD which is where all the rich kids go, UCSD is a public school, not many rich spoiled kids there. I can't really make any such comments about your alledged university becuase I've never heard of it! Minnesota-Duluth?? Is that one of the schools that doesn't teach evolution? lol

Anyway the point I was trying to make was that doing two degrees is a lot tougher than doing one and getting a high GPA, so that should be taken into consideration regardless of the school.

But just so you know, and this is a fact also, UCSD has the highest rates of acceptance into medical schools (not sure about dental) so they do take into account the lower GPAs.
 
who cares which is more important? That's not our job to say. I agree with a previous poster (JessUMD) that they look at the applicant as more than just numbers. That might be hard to believe for some, but there's more to it than DAT/GPA.

Just do the best you can, and worry about the things you can control. By now, if you're thru more than 3 years of college, your GPA is as it is, and won't deviate too much b/c of your 4th year performance. Can't control that. You can control your DAT. That is not a difficult test. Hard study will produce results. Of course, you might get those random questions, and if you happened to come across it during your study, great. If not, that sucks. Luck will always have a part in everything we do; just don't become dependent on it.
 
At some schools (Buffalo I know for sure), the DAT and GPA carry equal weight...Each accounts for 40% of your "total score." (Total score is my terminology, not Buffalo's -- but the percentage was told to me during my interview)...Instead of speculating which is weighed more and which schools look at the DAT more than GPA and vice versa, what not ask the school themselves? You'll get the most accurate info straight from the horse's mouth as opposed to these forums.
 
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rajmahal2004 said:
UMDeeMan your ignorance is quite amazing!!

For science UCSD is clearly in the top 5 in the country. You should try reading a scientific journal, UCSD is one of the best in the nation for scientific research. And yes you need over a 4.0 and about a 1400 SAT to go to UCSD. You should check your stats before making idiotic statements. Maybe you are talking about USD which is where all the rich kids go, UCSD is a public school, not many rich spoiled kids there. I can't really make any such comments about your alledged university becuase I've never heard of it! Minnesota-Duluth?? Is that one of the schools that doesn't teach evolution? lol
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wow, you get off my a$$ now. i'm sorry i'm not bowing down to your school and i am obviously confused for one of the other 10 schools in that area. my bad, shame on me. i dont think i deserve to be called an idiot though, sheesh. As far as attacking my current school, if that makes you feel good (along with your US News rankings) go right ahead. my diploma will say University of Minnesota, but who has ever heard of that school?? Great, you have 2 majors, really cool, does my one major and 2 minors count as 2 majors then? sorry to ruffle your feathers, but you should really relax. UMD is a good school too bud, top 5 in public school chemical engineering. it's all good, whatever gets me into dental school i would take.


just wanted to add another thing. you obviously are not a sports guru, probably sit and play everquest 2 all day. UMD has two highly competitive divsion I hockey teams. not to mention they are quite strong in division 2 athletics. the people in the midwest region where i'm from (ND,SD,NE, IA,MN,WI,MI) all know the university. shame on you for not knowing, your ignorance for not knowing my school is just uncalled for. double standard here anywhere people, am i the only one that sees it?
 
people get a little too defensive about their undergrad in these forums... I guess I am ignorant too cuz i didn't realize that UC san diego was different from USD. i looked it up and UCSD is supposedly 35th in the country. dunno how everyone is supposed to get over a 4.0 though. definitely not possible in my HS.

GPA and DAT should have some correlation if every school were similar. but there is so much variation in types of colleges, majors, and students that it is like correlating eye color to height.
 
I agree with crazysherm. Unless you've been to multiple undergrad institutions, there really is no way for anyone to credibly argue that their school is tougher than another school.

In fact, isn't the purpose of the DAT to level the playing field between schools. Everyone is tested on the same material, so scores should reflect a test-takers understanding of the material--within reason (I concede that some test takers get harder tests than others, but on average the tests are the same level of difficulty for everyone).

Lastly, I think GPA reflects committment and long-term performance rather than understanding. I mean, honestly, how many of us can still claim to be experts on course material we covered 18 months ago, even if we got an A. I'd predict few to none.
 
you all need to calm down a little. I've never seen so many defensive people in your life. I don't think G.P.A and DAT really have any corelation. You could have just slacked off your first 2 years (or first 4years for that matter) and ended up with a lower than average gpa even and then turn around and study for a few months and rock the dat. Just because you don't have a high gpa dosn't mean you not smart, most the time it just means you didn't put enough time into it.
 
your GPA is determined by a variety of factors, mainly where you go to school AND your major.

your DAT scores are determined by how well you know a certain set of materials, how hard you had studied for a specific test.

all you have to do is look at the average entering GPAs vs. DATs of a variety of dental schools--no true correlation. many of the state schools have mean entering GPAs of 3.6+ but only DATs of 18. other schools (such as columbia) has mean GPAs of only a 3.3 BUT a DAT of 21.
 
Look, there are professors who are easier than other professors who both teach the same class at the same institution. Someone might get an A on one class and a B with a different professor, so how can you possibly make some sweeping generalization about how hard/easy a whole college is, especially since everyone takes a different set of courses.

Alright all of you Tritons (UCSD students), I too went to UCSD also and there were some brilliant people there, but also tons of idiots.

There is one other flaw in your reasoning... If GPA depends on where you went to school, then wouldn't the same thing be true for high school? So maybe some of those students who had over a 4.0 to go to UCSD went to easier high schools.

Part of the key to having good numbers (GPA and DAT) is good test taking ability, not just intellect.
 
Here is my take on this guys. Take it with a grain of salt. I think DAT and GPA should be weighed the same AND the undergraduate school and major you had should be taken into account. Here is why.

1. Why your undergraduate school should matter in regards to admissions. Although it is impossible to say one institution is absolutely better than the other, some schools have tougher programs and classes. Although Cal Poly Pamona might have a good CS program and might teach the basic fundamentals of CS as MIT, the program will not be as vigorous and in depth. Agree? Some might argue that it is not necessarily different or more in depth material, but the competition which makes some schools more difficult. Since, the program is ranked high more people want to attend the school and it is more difficult to get in. The students are therefore generally smarter and the competition is more difficult. With more competition, assignments and tests will be more difficult. Hence the course will be more in depth and students will learn more. This is why your undergraduate school and major should be taken into account. I have taken classes at a Cal state, JC and graduated from UCI. The difficulty of the courses is not comparable. I see it as an exponential increase in difficulty, from the JC to Cal State to UC.

2. Why GPA and DAT should be weighed equally, BUT also correlated to your undergraduate school. GPA is definitely important, but a 3.9 from John Hopkins does not equate to a 3.9 at Cal State Fullerton (no offense). GPA shows how hard you have worked over the past four years. No matter how easy the school is or your major, if you got a 4.0 over 4 years then you put in a lot of effort. Here is the catch though. Although you did put in a lot of effort, can you equate it to the effort someone else put in at a more difficult school? Yes. The DAT. The DAT shows how much you effort you have put in, how much you have learned, and how much science comprehension you have been able to maintain. It also shows the quality of education your undergraduate school provided.
Generally students who went to better undergraduate institutions will score better on the DAT.

Example:
Student 1. Got a 3.0 from John Hopkins or UCSD, which have very good bio programs. He then gets a 22 22 22 on his DAT. This is around 97th percentile let us say. This shows that the student has put in the a great deal effort to learn during his 4 years and has a firm grasp of science needed for dental school.

Student 2. Got a 3.8 from Cal State ..., which is also a good school, but does not have as good of a Bio program as John Hopkins or UCSD. Many Cal States do not offer ADVANCED courses in immunology, histology, microbiology, phisiology..etc. This student gets a 17 17 20 on his or her DAT. This is around 50th percentile let us say.


Which student is a better candidate? It is hard to say, but many schools would not accept the 3.0 because it is too low. Most of the schools in the nation favor high GPA over DAT. Some schools require high in both. I think the schools should definitely look at each student by a case by case basis. Many schools will deny you if you don't have a certain GPA, but I know many people that have gotten into dental school with lower than 50th percentile on the DAT. IMO candidate number one is a better candidate. This person would have hard time getting into most dental schools though, since most favor a high GPA.

I don't care what anyone says or what their excuses are. If you have a 4.0 and get a 16 TS or AA on your DAT, you undergraduate education should definitely be questioned. There is no way you should be getting scores that low with a GPA that high. I don’t see why schools cannot see this and still accept students with really low DAT scores. It is obvious the students with these scores took easy classes or went to an easy school and did not learn anything. I think if you went to a decent undergraduate school and maintained a decent GPA you should be able to get a 17 AA and TS without even studying. That’s just my honest opinion. The DAT standardizes and levels the playing field for everyone.

If you spend 4 hours a day studying in undergrad I am sure you can get a 3.8 or higher, easily. Many people had to work two jobs while going to school and still managed to learn the material and do fairly well. They might have not had the 4 hours a day to read and remember all the minor details to get that A, but they still learned the material. If they do well on the DAT, then it shows that. The other person with the 3.8 might have been able to learn it for the test, but forgot all of it and did poorly on the DAT. Do you want your dentist forgetting the material he or she learned in dental school? The reason why the DAT is important, because in dental school the pace is very rapid and you will not have 4 hours a day to study and remember all those small details. Their is a large amount of material and it is very dense; you do not have that much time to study. You have to be able to learn it once and remember it. That is also why GPA should not be seen as an absolute number and should be a case by case basis.


To whoever said that UCSD was easy to get into and rich kids can get into the program easily, I hope you are not serious? UCSD has one of the best BIO programs in the nation. Their standards are very high. I did not go to UCSD, but had many friends that did. Ask any of them what they got on their DAT or MCAT.
 
Hoffa24 said:
Look, there are professors who are easier than other professors who both teach the same class at the same institution. Someone might get an A on one class and a B with a different professor, so how can you possibly make some sweeping generalization about how hard/easy a whole college is, especially since everyone takes a different set of courses.

Alright all of you Tritons (UCSD students), I too went to UCSD also and there were some brilliant people there, but also tons of idiots.

There is one other flaw in your reasoning... If GPA depends on where you went to school, then wouldn't the same thing be true for high school? So maybe some of those students who had over a 4.0 to go to UCSD went to easier high schools.

Part of the key to having good numbers (GPA and DAT) is good test taking ability, not just intellect.

You are a great example. You went to UCSD and got a 20 20 on your DAT. I have yet to find a UCSD, UCLA, UC Berkley, or UCI student with a decent GPA to have low DAT scores.

UCSD also requires high SAT scores. If you got a 1300 on your SAT, you are somewhat intelligent. That is why the SAT is weighed to a great extent also, just like the DAT. High schools generally teach the same material and are not competion based unlike universities which are often graded on a curve.

DAT and SAT have nothing to do with good test taking skills. If you have a 3.5 you obviously could take tests in college. The DAT is a multiple choice test, no tricks or anything. How is it any different, besides the fact that it is on a computer? Even if you are a poor test taker (whatever that means), you should still score fairly well if you know your material. DAT does not measure intellect, but it measures how much you know, how much effort you put into your undergraduate education and learning, and how much effort you put into studying for the test.

What is a poor test taker btw? I hear that excuse all the time. IMHO I think it is just a lame excuse for people that don't put in enough effort.
 
dakine,

Can you please provide us with the cliff notes for your posting....you lost me after the intro.....
 
jdcinza13 said:
dakine,

Can you please provide us with the cliff notes for your posting....you lost me after the intro.....

Read the first line of 1 and 2 I guess. It takes less then 5 minutes to read for those who care.
 
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xxdakinexx said:
You are a great example. You went to UCSD and got a 20 20 on your DAT. I have yet to find a UCSD, UCLA, UC Berkley, or UCI student with a decent GPA to have low DAT scores.
Can I add my UCD to your list too 😉
 
luder98 said:
Can I add my UCD to your list too 😉

Haha yea. All the UC's. Most of my friends are from those schools thats why I mentioned them.
 
xxdakinexx said:
Haha yea. All the UC's. Most of my friends are from those schools thats why I mentioned them.


Except UC Riverside.... everybody in the country knows that UCR is the community college of the UC system..... 😉 :laugh: j/k
 
lionelhutz said:
Except UC Riverside.... everybody in the country knows that UCR is the community college of the UC system..... 😉 :laugh: j/k


You said it, not me. 😀 😛
 
My impression is that GPA and DAT are about equal.
 
JavadiCavity said:
I agree with crazysherm. Unless you've been to multiple undergrad institutions, there really is no way for anyone to credibly argue that their school is tougher than another school.

In fact, isn't the purpose of the DAT to level the playing field between schools. Everyone is tested on the same material, so scores should reflect a test-takers understanding of the material--within reason (I concede that some test takers get harder tests than others, but on average the tests are the same level of difficulty for everyone).

Lastly, I think GPA reflects committment and long-term performance rather than understanding. I mean, honestly, how many of us can still claim to be experts on course material we covered 18 months ago, even if we got an A. I'd predict few to none.


couldnt have said it better myself javadi.
 
ok, i've argued this many times, just because you go to an Ivy league school doesn't mean you went to the hardest school. it's widely known and has been reported on many times that grade inflation is RAMPANT in the ivy's and at a rate more so then public institutions. they just started last year trying to crack down on the issue.
 
didn't we have a similar thread talking about grade inflation and how gpa is not accurate?
 
lionelhutz said:
Except UC Riverside.... everybody in the country knows that UCR is the community college of the UC system..... 😉 :laugh: j/k

o dude, dont u know uc riverside is the number 30 something public school in the nation???? :laugh:

the 7-yr biomed MD program is the only attractive thing about riverside
 
dyarhea said:
o dude, dont u know uc riverside is the number 30 something public school in the nation???? :laugh:

the 7-yr biomed MD program is the only attractive thing about riverside
Screw you guys and your ignorant criticism of some school you never attended 👎 . Comparing UCR to a community college anyhow is not an insult. I attended one of the most diverse CC and did extremely well on the DAT in the course I attended at CC. I assume you guys are judging UCR base on the portion of minorities in attendance; well in that case, it is a good thing you are attending another school.
 
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Thaxil said:
Screw you guys and your ignorant criticism of some school you never attended 👎 . Comparing UCR to a community college anyhow is not an insult. I attended one of the most diverse CC and did extremely well on the DAT in the course I attended at CC. I assume you guys are judging UCR base on the portion of minorities in attendance; well in that case, it is a good thing you are attending another school.

i graduated from UCR...
umm..calm down
for the past 5 yrs, UCR had been expanding (new arts building, science buldings, physics buildings) and enrolling more students than this tiny campus can handle (disneyland parking lots). i didn't compare UCR to a CC. this school is rapidly expanding and improving its academic standards.
 
rocknightmare said:
didn't we have a similar thread talking about grade inflation and how gpa is not accurate?

yes we have, i recall posting a decent amount on that topic with credible information to back the allegation of IVY league grade inflation.
 
rajmahal2004 said:
UMDeeMan your ignorance is quite amazing!!

UCSD has the highest rates of acceptance into medical schools (not sure about dental) so they do take into account the lower GPAs.

I believe BYU (Brigham Young University) has the highest acceptance rates for Dental students. If anyone has any information about their university being higher, please correct me. Out of approximately 200+ applicants the past 3 years, the acceptance rate has been between 94-96%

For medical school I know that of those that participated in the BYU preprofessional committe (219 applicants) 72% were accepted. Show some data please rajmahal2004.

source: healthpro.byu.edu
 
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