data required for completing phd

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i've heard that if you publish 2 or 3 1st author papers in at least impact factor 4.0 journals, you have enough data for thesis defense and in fact derive a thesis out of those papers in 6 months.

Now is it more like 2 papers or 3 papers?
 
I have never really heard of such "limits." I think if the work can stand alone as a solid paper/dissertation, that is fine.

I personally know a PhD who never published in a peer-reviewed journal, but presented a fine dissertation and oral defense. He was awarded the degree. IMHO, I think the PhD is proof that one has worked through a complex problem and has learned the scientific process along the way.

I hope more people post about this, because I am curious too.
 
At the University of Delaware, a PhD requires you to have submitted "a significant contribution to your field", which usually means a first-author paper in a peer-reviewed journal. Sometimes this doesn't happen, usually because either you have a paper in the works or you got scooped pretty late during your graduate work. These are really two separate issues, getting published and getting graduated.

To gain enough data for a complete thesis, usually several years of work is required. This will depend on your committee (when is enough, enough?), your lab (did you start as a tech your first year?/how much help did you get?), yourself (how hard-working are you?), and your luck (did things work out?).

Getting published, at least once, should be done during your PhD work. Whether or not this is in a big-name journal depends on a number of factors. Right off the bat, if your PI has never published in a big-name journal, you will probably not get a project that will lead to publication in a big name journal. This is why it is so important to pick the right PI. It will also depend on your project. Some people have to work for two years, fine tuning some new method, in order to get out a paper. Some others walk into a lab with a method working, a tech to help them out, and then publish in a big journal within 6 months because everything is working for them. This again will depend on your lab, and is something to consider when choosing a PI.

Now as for generating 2 or 3 papers in big name journals in 6 months. Hah. That would be some seriously prestgous/well-funded PI who set you up with a cush project and you are are a lucky SOB. Sure it happens, but it's very rare. If anyone could do that, everyone would be doing it, because publishing several papers a year in big-name journals will make you an extremely successful scientist.
 
and I've heard having > 3.8 undergrad GPA guarantees an acceptance to an MD/PhD program.
< /sarcasm>
 
My friend is a grad student at Case Western, and there is a two paper requirement in his department, as well as others.

The paper requirement is good for students because they gain experience in drafting manuscripts and get to know what it takes to get something published in a peer-reviewed journal. However, if you PI only publishes once a year, the two-paper requirement can be a struggle.

My advice...if there is a publication requirement, select your PI carefully, preferrably one that gets papers out in a timely manner, and one that has gotten grad students out in a decent amount of time.

just my $0.02!🙂
 
Hey Guys,
Sorry for the late post. I'm curious. Are there schools out there that allow MD/PhDs to get their PhD in one year? I never heard of that; I'm a PhD student and in my school there is no way you get out before 4 years. If you are a mudfud, they'll open an exception and let you out in 3, minimum! I guess I went to the wrong school!
 
I was able to complete my PhD portion in about 2.5 years in the lab - I think the average is somewhere around 3.5 for MD/PhDs. Interestingly, I have met with alot of people who are a bit negative about the time I took, and wonder how I could get out so quickly, even though 8 publications (6 first author) came out of the work - I'll be able to complete both degrees in 6 years.

Everyone's PhD is different - Although working hard and being in the right lab a very important, luck and being in the right place at the right time play a large role in the whole process, too.

As far as minimum publishing requirements - I would keep away from programs that have such limitations.

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