Dating other residents in residency

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I had an attending tell me and a few other students to stay away from dating other residents while in our training programs. Have any of you had the same advice/experiences, or is the attending speaking from his own past foul ups? Any stories good or bad?

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I'm just guessing it's a "just in case things go sour" but then again, they're probably the only people you will get to know, so it would be really difficult to draw a social/work line. If you really like a person, I don't see why not unless you could see it turn into something really bad if you broke up. But then again, there are residents in other programs you will deal with, which might work better since you wouldn't be around them all the time.
 
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It's just like any other work environment. I would not suggest dating another resident in your department just because in the event that things go sour then it will just be constantly weird and upleasant for everyone. As far as dating other residents in the hospital, go ahead. If things go bad, you don't see them around anyway so just pretend like they're all the other ex-girlfriends.
 
I had an attending tell me and a few other students to stay away from dating other residents while in our training programs. Have any of you had the same advice/experiences, or is the attending speaking from his own past foul ups? Any stories good or bad?

I would not date a fellow EM resident. More importantly, don't date ED nurses. Outside of the ED is a little more open. One month of living hell is a lot more tolerable than 2.5 years.

Over the years, we had one couple get married; the rest have been disasters/added stress for the residents.
 
We have several EM resident couples. 2 now married. one couple dating. Had a couple EM attending/resident couples.. . much less common. several EM other resident couples.
 
Attending/resident couples? Ugh.

why is that ugh? EM is a young field - I was the same age as a few of my attendings on one externship (I'm 29). As long as they aren't evaluating you, there is no inherent problem with that relationship.

Also - for single residents , the residency pool at my institution just makes sense. There are over 500 residents across 74 residency/fellowship programs and a number of residency-wide social events throughout the year.
 
In general, don't **** where you eat. These were wise words given to me by an attending in medical school.
 
Is there potential for difficulty? sure.

However, by the time you are a resident, most people are adults. So, if people act like adults, then I say its fine.

You work in the same hospital, often socialize, similar interests. Naturally, some people are going to end up wanting to date each other.

The two couples who are married are quite happy. One couple were in the same class. the other was seperated by a year and eventually one was an attending while the other a senior resident. Several attending resident relationships, seen in different places.
 
Seems like there's a lot of different opinions on this issue. It is like any other workplace, and from what I've seen in the past it can be a disaster. I've never dated someone I directly worked with so I can't speak of any personal experiences. I did see a major dating disaster that happened right in front of me that ended in one persons termination. It happened between a flight attendant and pilot...it was ugly.
 
Here's what I learned, in the corporate world; if it's the same in the ED as in an office, this holds true. The company I used to work for had, I think, a very reasonable policy: people could date, as long as they weren't in a boss/employee relationship themselves, and didn't both have the same boss.

The problem with dating within a department isn't the reality, it's the perception. And that's what kills it; there's no way to prove a negative in a lot of these situations. Everyone involved is an adult, and we're all professionals... but that doesn't end the discussion, and it doesn't prevent the hurt feelings and the gossip and the lingering resentments.

The Sr. Resident is in charge of the schedule? And oh gee, see how her boyfriend the PGY-2 just happens to have Memorial Day Weekend off... hmm.

It can be completely innocent and unrelated to the relationship, but there's always somebody who will see a connection. Sometimes it's everybody. The alternative is to treat your significant other WORSE as an emplyee than you would if you weren't dating, but that's not so fun either.

In general, it turns out to be either flat-out not worth it, or certainly a minefield. I've done dumber stuff for love, to be sure. It's just that I'd recommend the parties involved think twice about it, and then think a little more.
 
Here's what I learned, in the corporate world; if it's the same in the ED as in an office, this holds true. The company I used to work for had, I think, a very reasonable policy: people could date, as long as they weren't in a boss/employee relationship themselves, and didn't both have the same boss.

The problem with dating within a department isn't the reality, it's the perception. And that's what kills it; there's no way to prove a negative in a lot of these situations. Everyone involved is an adult, and we're all professionals... but that doesn't end the discussion, and it doesn't prevent the hurt feelings and the gossip and the lingering resentments.

The Sr. Resident is in charge of the schedule? And oh gee, see how her boyfriend the PGY-2 just happens to have Memorial Day Weekend off... hmm.

It can be completely innocent and unrelated to the relationship, but there's always somebody who will see a connection. Sometimes it's everybody. The alternative is to treat your significant other WORSE as an emplyee than you would if you weren't dating, but that's not so fun either.

In general, it turns out to be either flat-out not worth it, or certainly a minefield. I've done dumber stuff for love, to be sure. It's just that I'd recommend the parties involved think twice about it, and then think a little more.

First of all, who gives a SHyT about perception? I only have to look myself in the mirror in the morning. If you've got your panties in a wad because you think my S.O. got Memorial day off, I'm glad your nuts are suffering from lack of blood flow.

Jesus, this issue couldn't be simpler. If you think it's a real chance at a happy relationship, then there are no absolute Do/Do NOTs. Have the conversation with your potential partner. Acknowledge the awkwardness that could result, but approach that aspect of the relationship in a pragmatic way with a very common sense approach. You would be best advised to be a pretty stable person (and your mate likewise) in terms of relationship maturity, but if it goes south, it's not because you're inter-residency dating... it's because one of you isn't an adult.

Put the damn tube in the trachea.
 
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First of all, who gives a SHyT about perception? I only have to look myself in the mirror in the morning. If you've got your panties in a wad because you think my S.O. got Memorial day off, I'm glad your nuts are suffering from lack of blood flow.

Jesus, this issue couldn't be simpler. If you think it's a real chance at a happy relationship, then there are no absolute Do/Do NOTs. Have the conversation with your potential partner. Acknowledge the awkwardness that could result, but approach that aspect of the relationship in a pragmatic way with a very common sense approach. You would be best advised to be a pretty stable person (and your mate likewise) in terms of relationship maturity, but if it goes south, it's not because you're inter-residency dating... it's because one of you isn't an adult.

Put the damn tube in the trachea.
Your concern for my panties and/or nuts is much appreciated. You'll be happy to know there is no bunching, actually, and blood flow seems to be good. I will of course keep you informed.

You make good points as far as what the people in the relationship should be thinking about, and how they should approach it... but if it goes south, and it's because one of you isn't an adult, then what? You still have to work with that person. Three years of "put the damn tube in the trachea" does not sound like a good situation to me.
 
there are so many terrible things I could say about the tube in the trachea when talking about relationships, dirty, awful things.

But i'll just leave that to your fertile imaginations.
 
I had a friend in residency (not EM) who couples matched in with her husband who was in a different specialty. He cheated on her with another resident, they got divorced, then he proceeded to sleep his way through the hospital, residents, nurses, house keeper who bent over to tuck in a sheet, whatever. It was going to be painful no matter what but it was way worse than it needed to be because they were both residents which is like being in a cage with the other person.
 
I had a friend in residency (not EM) who couples matched in with her husband who was in a different specialty. He cheated on her with another resident, they got divorced, then he proceeded to sleep his way through the hospital, residents, nurses, house keeper who bent over to tuck in a sheet, whatever. It was going to be painful no matter what but it was way worse than it needed to be because they were both residents which is like being in a cage with the other person.

DocB good to see you back. We missed your .02 cents on some of these subjects.

I agree that being locked up with a scorned ex causes strife and trouble. Personally, I don't think I would have much of an issue if a relationship went south for whatever reason. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the other person not taking it so well. Bulgethetwine IMHO way over simplified the situation. Perception DOES matter in this situation because it's your career we're talking about. If it was strictly a social matter I would agree whole heartedly, but you have to be careful and tip toe lightly when it comes to professional relationships.

How many of you have dated someone who seemed really cool and easy going on the surface, then after a while when things went bad the talons came out and you saw a whole different person?
 
DocB good to see you back. We missed your .02 cents on some of these subjects.

I agree that being locked up with a scorned ex causes strife and trouble. Personally, I don't think I would have much of an issue if a relationship went south for whatever reason. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the other person not taking it so well. Bulgethetwine IMHO way over simplified the situation. Perception DOES matter in this situation because it's your career we're talking about. If it was strictly a social matter I would agree whole heartedly, but you have to be careful and tip toe lightly when it comes to professional relationships.

How many of you have dated someone who seemed really cool and easy going on the surface, then after a while when things went bad the talons came out and you saw a whole different person?

Perhaps some of the people that think intradepartmental relationships are ok did not have to sit at a dictation table between two "star crossed lovers" who were in the middle of screaming at each other. For every fantastic relationship you can quote, I can find you more than a few that were horrific nightmares. If you want to get your freak on, do it with a medicine, pediatrics, path resident, housekeeper, cafeteria worker, whatever. If you'd like to ignore this, then I'll be laughing too much to say "I told you so." Other people will have to deal with both of your annoying asses. And despite claims that it will be kept "mature" when the statistically likelihood breakup happens, from experience, it doesn't always work out that way. Don't expect your chiefs to cover your tracks and switch schedules around, etc.

I agree with the "don't **** where you eat," comment.

mike
 
How many of you have dated someone who seemed really cool and easy going on the surface, then after a while when things went bad the talons came out and you saw a whole different person?

:laugh: My bf ran into that with his previous gf's. Told me even the other night he's still looking for that side of me (and we've been dating over a year). I'm guessing if you've had that luck before, you really look out for it with anyone you meet.
 
If you want to get your freak on, do it with a medicine, pediatrics, path resident, housekeeper, cafeteria worker, whatever.

Maybe I could get an extra sloppy joe and some fresh towels for the call room?
 
Intraoffice dating is tricky. And a personal decision. And one that should be entered into carefully, if one decides to do it. I think if you are grown up (aka mature) than you should recognize that things could go south and you will have to work with someone... and work with them in a PROFESSIONAL manner. If you can do that, than I think its fine for some people.

If you don't want to take the risk, then you shouldn't do it. We *are* grown ups (most of us) and each should be able to make thier own decision. If someone wants to take the risk fo dating someone they work with, they should be allowed to make that decision. If they don't, then they shouldn't. But I find blanket statements and judgement on others for a personal choice like *dating* to be rather paternalistic.

I have seen it go bad, where the after effects were not handled well by one of the ex couple. (screaming, etc). I have seen the breakup go fine (even when one got heartbroken) and professional behavior maintained throughout.

I guess you have to decide if you are going to try and dictate the behavior of your adults or trust they are goign to act like adults (and if they don't, then deal with their behavior).
 
Perhaps some of the people that think intradepartmental relationships are ok did not have to sit at a dictation table between two "star crossed lovers" who were in the middle of screaming at each other.

You know, there are people here that do that that never even dated. Pricks will always be pricks, regardless of dating status. It is just the direction that they point. True, you lessen the likelihood of starting fights by stopping dating, but you also lessen the likelihood of starting marriages.

I will say that dating subordinates will always be looked upon poorly. Just a fact of life.
 
I prefer to date the nurses, they have alot less expectation and alot more fun.
 
I prefer to date the nurses, they have alot less expectation and alot more fun.

Again, I would stay away from the ED nurses. They tend to be a tight bunch, and a little vindictive when they feel slighted. So, you may find not only the nurse you broke up with coming down on you, but all of his/her friends.

mike
 
Again, I would stay away from the ED nurses. They tend to be a tight bunch, and a little vindictive when they feel slighted. So, you may find not only the nurse you broke up with coming down on you, but all of his/her friends.

Mike hit it on the head. Even if you do everything right and just decide that you don't have anything in common or you're not interested anymore....If she likes you and you break up with her..you're goose is cooked with her friends. Of course, this applies to almost all women.
 
is that why that girl was giving you the eye last weekend in the ED?? hmmmm.

p.s. I got to meet southerndoc in person the other week. He was talking about a story that I remember reading about on here a few months ago and somehow I made the connection, and asked "are you southerndoc on SDN?" "Yeah, I write on there every now and again." My first thought was "I thought you had a green helmet with a brush thingy," but managed not to say it.
 
is that why that girl was giving you the eye last weekend in the ED?? hmmmm.

p.s. I got to meet southerndoc in person the other week. He was talking about a story that I remember reading about on here a few months ago and somehow I made the connection, and asked "are you southerndoc on SDN?" "Yeah, I write on there every now and again." My first thought was "I thought you had a green helmet with a brush thingy," but managed not to say it.
I only wear the helmet on Fridays.
 
I've hooked up with plenty of nurses outside the ER (mostly ICU) and never had a problem with it. Of course, I waited to ask them out or go out until the last week of the month. IMO, doctors going after nurses is like fishing with dynamite. It's easy and fun, but you've really got to be careful.

I did make the mistake of dating a nurse in the ER and that ended up being a disaster. We dated for about 10 months, I ended it b/c I just wasn't that into it, then she went off the deep end. It wasn't like I treated her like crap, cheated on her, or beat her (although you would think it based on how I was treated afterwards). She would cry every time she saw me. Often she wouldn't be able to work her shifts if I was on and nurses/residents/attendings would have to put her in a private ER room to console her.... sometimes for hours. She got all the nurses to hate me. She would chase me into the parking garage to yell at me or find any excuse to explode at me in the hallway after work. All the other day nurses tried to make my life a living hell. It almost cost me my spot as chief resident. In fact, faculty held a lengthy talk about my "relationship with nursing staff" for a really long time when making the decision. I ended up getting it b/c the previous years chiefs stuck up for me.

Now I stay clear of nurses...
 
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I've hooked up with plenty of nurses outside the ER (mostly ICU) and never had a problem with it. Of course, I waited to ask them out or go out until the last week of the month. IMO, doctors going after nurses is like fishing with dynamite. It's easy and fun, but you've really got to be careful.

I did make the mistake of dating a nurse in the ER and that ended up being a disaster. We dated for about 10 months, I ended it b/c I just wasn't that into it, then she went off the deep end. It wasn't like I treated her like crap, cheated on her, or beat her (although you would think it based on how I was treated afterwards). She would cry every time she saw me. Often she wouldn't be able to work her shifts if I was on and nurses/residents/attendings would have to put her in a private ER room to console her.... sometimes for hours. She got all the nurses to hate me. She would chase me into the parking garage to yell at me or find any excuse to explode at me in the hallway after work. All the other day nurses tried to make my life a living hell. It almost cost me my spot as chief resident. In fact, faculty held a lengthy talk about my "relationship with nursing staff" for a really long time when making the decision. I ended up getting it b/c the previous years chiefs stuck up for me.

Now I stay clear of nurses...

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Also, dating people you work with every day is bad, mmm'kay?
 
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