David Miscaviage (leader of Scientology) Video - Thoughts?

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To be honest, I am absolutely shocked that this isn't being HEAVILY discussed here. I registered thinking I would see all kinds of professional discussions about the real dangers this cultist organization is perpetuating on a global scale. It is seriously in your best interest to read and look at what I am presenting to you all.

I did paste this in the Psycology forum as well, but I really seriously sat here for about 10 minutes and typed all this out after seeing this video. (I felt it should certainly be in both forums though)

At any rate, I highly encourage you to understand exactly what Scientology has to do with Psychiatry. This is David Miscaviage, the President and LEADER of Scientology itself in a leaked internal movie where he is practically declaring WAR on Psychiatry as a whole and even explains how they can achieve this:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=hfu7Sr50N7U

This is pure and absolute MADNESS. What's the scariest part? This is a BILLION DOLLAR organization!!! They literally DO have the power to hurt this industry more than you could imagine! So you probably wonder, well if they want to abolish psychiatry, what on earth would they propose replacing it with? Well, here you go:

http://video.google.com/url?docid=-...ndex=0&usg=AL29H238fu8Xk-U1xEmk7fBmHAJuHOyQUw

Please, PLEASE do whatever all of you can to make sure this psychotic organization is brought to light for what it REALLY is. PLEASE educate yourself on the TRUTH of this scam of a religion and PLEASE spread the word to anyone you can. The whole trick to this "religion" is that once you learn that it is a trick, you are forever immune to their brainwashing.

This is a great simple overview of Scientology and how it is able to achieve its terrifying level of power over people:
http://www.xenu.net/roland-intro.html

I highly suggest you also check out http://www.xenutv.com and look at any of their many videos of these poor brainwashed people in action.

THIS CANNOT CONTINUE TO GO ON FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY! LITERALLY!

There is an enormous congregation of random individuals who, since this whole Tom Cruise thing, were turned on to researching exactly what this religion was about. It is impossible for you to not be equally shocked at what you will learn. There will be a GLOBAL protest (yes, GLOBAL) on February 10th. This movement is becoming extremely large, but do not take my word for it. Anyone who is interested in participating in this protest has and is signing up at http://harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/ -- just SEE how many people are so outraged by this that they are all taking to the streets!!

Thank you VERY much for your time and I apologize for "spamming" your board. This DOES directly relate to all of you and its KEY you are all informed!!! I am genuinely curious as to the feedback you will have to give.

Of course, any suggestions are appreciated on what we as individuals can do. We will be protesting and having a massive letter writing campaign. So far, these are the only two realistic ideas we have collectively come up with. Of course we are trying to get as much media coverage on this issue as possible as well.
 
My thoughts? If psychiatry can't withstand 'obliteration' from a guy who sounds like he's selling something on the Home Shopping Network, maybe it doesn't deserve to be around in the first place. I don't think a protest will do much, as the vast majority of people already know that Scientology is a joke. Touting a blackbox warning on antidepressants as a victory against psych? Might as well take credit for kicking rheumatology's *** by pulling Vioxx off the shelves as well. I think by far the most detrimental thing to Scientology is exposing them for the ridiculousness they are in videos like this.
 
I really think the smartest thing to do is just leave it be. Scientology has been around for decades and you never heard squat about the rantings against psych until people started paying attention to them. They will go away, but mental illness certainly will not.

PS: 1.) Where exactly is the "science" in scientology?
2.) How come being a scientologist seems to automatically to make you
more of expert on psychopharmacology than the average lay person? or the average physician or pharmacist for that matter?
 
By the way....I'm not really sure why the original writer is so "outraged." People in this world believe all kinds of idiotic things. Just take a look around. If someone wants to believe something I disagree with, who I am to stop them. Challenge them rationally and appropriately, and and if they still stick to their arguments, just let them believe it if they want. I guess this is the George Carlin in me, but I'm not into "bringing down" something or someone cause they don't think the same as me. What's the cost-benefit analysis of this proposed protest and letter writing campaign? Who exactly are we looking to convert here? Personally, I think psychiatry should have more important things on the agenda than staging protests against some fringe organization. Comments?
 
Well, I'm on call and can't leave the hospital right now. So, I'll just state that, while I will take the time to respond to this post, I won't be bothered to watch the videos. Who gives a crap what Tom Cruise or his for profit, suedo religion have to say about anything? Really, I read somewhere on SDN a while back that they don't like psychiatry, but you know, this isn't a first. Some fundamentalist Christians don't either. Jehovah's witnesses won't take blood transfusions, etc.

There is no reason to fear a future without psych, because there are barely any mental instutution left today. The VAST majority of psych patients are either #1-out in the world medicated, #2 bouncing back and forth between the streets and/or home and a hospital bed, or #3- in jail/prision. Not to mention the huge "worried well" population of functional-to-hyperfunctional individuals who benefit daily from therapy &/or psychopharmacology. Psychiatry will only be threatened as a profession if modern civilization collapses, I promise.

Of course, we could lock up some of the naysayers with the antisocials and borderlines for a while and see what they have to say after a few weeks.😍
 
To those who took the time to post, I sincerely thank you.

While I understand your positions and opinions, I do not think you guys grasp the full power they hold. They literally own a whole town in Florida called Clearwater, even the POLICE are Scientologists. This is nothing short of an epidemic. In fact, we have received inside information that they are hiring 10 off-duty police officers for this Sunday, all whom will be in their regular uniform while under the direction of Scientology. How is this okay? We have many people in Florida flooding the Sheriff and the State Police offices with calls and emails demanding an investigation into how this is even legal, which apparently it is.

To Deb -- this isn't another Tom Cruise video or anything remotely like that. As I originally described, he is waging war against the industry as a whole. As I just explained above, the Scientology hand can reach deeper than you could ever imagine. They have people in public positions of power -- not just police, but mayors, county supervisors, congress people, even the IRS! This is how they received tax exemption status -- without even going through the proper measures. In fact, we have a few lawyers mixed in the group who have spotted huge problems with the way all of that was achieved, and are working to have it re-reviewed. This will be the first step to bringing this organizations true colors out to public view. If you're wondering how the hell something like that could happen in the first place, it is because their own legal team has no budget and they had a large number of individuals file individual suits against the IRS until the IRS finally caved in before they wasted millions upon millions trying to legally handle each and every one. Sounds crazy? I sure thought so too. Do your own research, I strongly encourage you to. Everything I am saying is no exaggeration or based on bias views. I had no opinion of this organization what so ever before learning about it. Please, if you have the time, look into this stuff!! It's shocking 🙁

They are single handedly responsible for the largest infilitration of our own government than anyone in history, and were caught and sentenced to prison. This involved the founders OWN WIFE, Mary Sue Hubbard. L.Ron was smart enough not to associate himself directly and then didn't even bother to give her a single phone call throughout her 5 year sentence.

Again, I understand you are all somewhat forced to sit on your hands regarding this issue do to your positions in the public. But please, do whatever you can to make the world aware of what is really going on. This is far beyond a simple gimick or scam, this is literally a billion dollar cult. After seeing the videos I posted, you should clearly see this as well. The psychological damage they do to people is almost irreversable and many people who leave the church are still troubled with delusional concepts for many years. They've directly been linked to several cases of manslaughter as well. One example that comes to mind is a teenager who was clearly in need of clinical help and was denied repeatedly -- he ended up stabbing his mother 77 times and sentenced to a mental institution.

You all wonder why the budget cuts are happening and why mental health institutions are disappearing, THIS IS WHY! Please take 5 minutes to watch at least the first video so you can see this for yourself. Furthermore, listen to how in-depth their plan is to eventually strangle all of you out of your industry (or at least attempt to).

The more you learn about this organization the scarier it becomes.

Here is another well done video that covers the real brutalities they're involved with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

Last but not least, I sound so angry because I am outraged at what I'm learning. In today's day and age how can such a large organization get away with these types of crimes? And it is FAR beyond some cooky people who are being fed ridiculousness and they are just too stupid to see it. It is a slow mental break down which allows them to become susceptible to these insane theories that they normally would burst into laughter upon hearing. Trust me, if it were just a mtter of that, I wouldn't waste a minute of my time on it. Please take the time to educate yourself on how these poor people are really sucked in. They're not stupid people, we're talking about professors, lawyers, SUCCESSFUL and INTELLIGENT people!!

It's not like they got lucky here and there with their crimes either, they walk away from every single thing practically unscaved. Even when the founders wife went to jail they were able to make everyone believe she was simply an extremist faction, etc... his own wife?!?! WTF?

Again, thanks for your time -- I really hope you can help us spread awareness however you can.
 
One thing I left out, my overall goal is that I can hopefully reach at least one person who is in any kind of a position to raise the awareness about this on a political level. Surprisingly enough, cults themselves are legal entities. This itself should be changed and I can't fathom how it hasn't already. Especially after Waco, Jonesborough, etc. This isn't the first time a cult has become pretty powerful, but never in the history of mankind has it seen an entity whose reach is THIS far!
 
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You wrote:
"You all wonder why the budget cuts are happening and why mental health institutions are disappearing, THIS IS WHY! Please take 5 minutes to watch at least the first video so you can see this for yourself. Furthermore, listen to how in-depth their plan is to eventually strangle all of you out of your industry (or at least attempt to)."


Budget cuts at NIMH are due to the Bush administration, not Scientology. Decrease in numbers of institutions are due to the fact that we simply do not need them anymore. Many patients can now fortunately be treated on an outpatient basis. And, TRUST ME, although paradigm shifts in the science will no doubt take place, I'm not looking over my shoulder for Scientologists. I am however looking over my shoulder for continued cuts to medicaid/medicare and greedy insurance companies.....:laugh:
 
erg - yeah after re-reading my post I think it would be more accurate for me to say "THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY" instead. No doubt that Bush and the rest aren't helping the situation.

It IS good to hear that there is a positive and legitimate reason why these institutions are disappearing. Thanks for your input again.
 
Ken Duckworth, the medical director of NAMI, has said in several interviews that scientology is going to be a significant issue for psychiatry in the next decade. If he's worried, then so am I. I've been boycotting scientologist endorsed products for years and haven't paid to see a Tom Cruise movie since Magnolia.
 
Samson: Yeah, I can't understand how you guys could ignore it by any means. As I said I'm shocked there isn't more discussion going on about it on this board.
 
You wrote:
"This isn't the first time a cult has become pretty powerful, but never in the history of mankind has it seen an entity whose reach is THIS far!"


I think some German "cult" accomplished this a little more than half a century ago. They killed about 6 million people apparently. So save the over-hyped drama about Scientology please. I know you feel passionately about this topic, but at least try to put your comments in appropriate and realistic terms.
 
capricious916 said:
Samson: Yeah, I can't understand how you guys could ignore it by any means. As I said I'm shocked there isn't more discussion going on about it on this board.
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Why would you be so shocked? Psychiatry is a huge field, and this is a miniscule non-part of it. The field of mental health is gaining momentum in terms of access to care, parity within mental health payor systems , and much more. How exactly will they stop psychiatry? Will they close down residencies? Will they take on the pharmaceutical industry and bankrupt them? Will they go door to door and convince people to come off their SSRIs? Will they chain-lock the CPEPs that are holding psychotic patients? Will they prevent it from being taught in medical school?

Scientology is close to being banned as an organized crime organization in Germany. The more attention these people bring to themselves, the worse it will eventually become to them. There will never be a dearth of psychiatric patients, and patients improve when they see psychiatrists. Scientology is not likely to convince those millions with psychiatric disease to not seek mental health services. I'm sure the sample of scientologists as a cohort are against mental health care by its nature. I haven't seen considerable proof that this extends to the general population.
 
Scientology is becoming a serious problem. Down here in Florida there are plenty of stories on how they gain their powers. WRT psychiatry, I read the article and still don't truly understand the reason why an entire cult has special hate for Psychiatry. It's not like Psychiatry ICD codes are attached to being a scientologist. You can't admit someone to the psych ward based on being a scientologist.

World wide scientology is hopeless... just imagine trying to sell scientology to the middle east... watch that reaction. You're lucky if they dont dump you in jail. On the other hand, Psychiatry has been established there as part of medicine.

The pharm industry are the psychiatrist's best friend when it comes to scientology.. My enemy's enemy is a friend?
 
erg923 said:
You wrote:
"This isn't the first time a cult has become pretty powerful, but never in the history of mankind has it seen an entity whose reach is THIS far!"


I think some German "cult" accomplished this a little more than half a century ago. They killed about 6 million people apparently. So save the over-hyped drama about Scientology please. I know you feel passionately about this topic, but at least try to put your comments in appropriate and realistic terms.
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erg - There is a huge difference between a country with its own military that is trying to take over the world compared to a cult that is trying to do so quietly right under everyones noses. BIG difference. Please do not belittle my message, although I understand the point you're trying to make. It is absolutely comparing apples to oranges - yes they're both fruit, that doesn't make them the same however.
 
Fortunately for all of us, the biggest voting bloc in the country, the Christian right, are a built in vaccination against Scientology.

When scientologists and Christians start playing nice (on an organizational level--I know there are isolated, irrelevant pockets of people who combine the messages, much to the chagrin and disdain of the Christian community), then I will be crapping my pants.

The only thing that worries me is when occasionally news outlets take press releases from the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights and treat them like reported articles (as lazy reporters are wont to do). But it seems like editors are learning not to let their name slide by as a real human rights organization.

And as much money as Scientology has, I'm pretty sure Pfizer, Glaxo, and Merck still have a LOT more. The Pharma industry has a stronger lobby in Washington than Scientology ever could, and I'm convinced that whenever Scientology needs to be silenced, Big Pharma will "take care" of them.

Unless, as I said, the Christians and Scientology start playing nice. And then, my friends, we are all royally jellied.
 
Faebinder said:
WRT psychiatry, I read the article and still don't truly understand the reason why an entire cult has special hate for Psychiatry. It's not like Psychiatry ICD codes are attached to being a scientologist. You can't admit someone to the psych ward based on being a scientologist.

Hadn't you heard? Psychiatry originated millions of years ago during the rule of the evil alien empire, the Marcab Federation, overseen by Lord Xenu, or course. Check out xenu.net for more enlightenment.

Reference:

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Scientology-1751/Psychiatry.htm
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capricious916 said:
They literally own a whole town in Florida called Clearwater, even the POLICE are Scientologists. This is nothing short of an epidemic.
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Sounds like many towns in say Utah, only insert Scientologists with LDS....
capricious916 said:
They have people in public positions of power -- not just police, but mayors, county supervisors, congress people, even the IRS!
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Sounds like the Evagelical Christians....
capricious916 said:
This is far beyond a simple gimick or scam, this is literally a billion dollar cult.
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Sounds Oral Roberts...
capricious916 said:
You all wonder why the budget cuts are happening and why mental health institutions are disappearing, THIS IS WHY!
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If you really think that Scientologists are the main reason why psychiatry is seeing budget cuts and mental health institutions are disappearing, I'm worried you're drinking a bit deep from the Kool-Aid.

I have no real love for Scientologists, but I don't have any real love for any huge religious organization that tries to push their beliefs on others. I don't consider Scientology's war on mental health much different from the Catholic Church's war on abortion. It's just a matter of age.
 
Faebinder said:
WRT psychiatry, I read the article and still don't truly understand the reason why an entire cult has special hate for Psychiatry. It's not like Psychiatry ICD codes are attached to being a scientologist. You can't admit someone to the psych ward based on being a scientologist.
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Maybe we're seen as competition. If someone is paying for psychotherapy, they aren't paying some scientologist for an "auditing" or whatever they call it when they try to get the dead alien souls out of you.
 
Chimed said:
I thought this short press release on Tom Cruise was humurous:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3489083360109141528
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The sad part is that inasmuch as Brit's problems appear to be more, shall we say, Axis II related, having a bunch of scientologists intervening on her behalf might bring a whole lot of very visible stability to the situation, and make their anti-psychiatry case stronger as yet one more troubled celebrity is "saved" by L. Ron's ramblings....
 
Hadn't you heard? Psychiatry originated millions of years ago during the rule of the evil alien empire, the Marcab Federation, overseen by Lord Xenu, or course. Check out xenu.net for more enlightenment.
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Wouldn't this qualify as a bizarre delusion??? I'm just sayin'...
 
Yes, I suppose so, but I believe in the immaculate conception, and that a dead mans body was lifted from the grave by an invisible omnipotent force.....so I might be delusional too.......:laugh:

In all seriousness though, to the original poster, if you were in this field (it is obvious that you are not) you would have a better perspective on this issue. Psychiatry has many enemies, and many obstacles to the field. Scientology at its grossly overestimated numbers still represents .25% of the population in this country and pose no real threats to research funding (which is controlled by the federal government) or people receiving mental health services (that biggest threat is insurance companies limiting mental health coverage). I realize that as an outsider looking in, it may look serious and threatening. But when you are on the inside, you have a more educated perspective on the real issues threatening our field. The pharm industry (which is a problem itself) has more influence, you don't actually think they can compete with them and the billion dollar NIMH people do you? Again, NO ONE knew about this stuff until the Tom Cruise media coverage started. CREATING DRAMA ABOUT IT JUST PLAYS TO THEIR AGENDA! It strikes me that you may have been brainwashed by this organization somewhat, as you have bought into the grandiosity of all their claims, right?

Again, if you are REALLY that concerned, please PM me and we can discuss a host of problems facing the field (taxometrics, nosology (i.e.,diagnosis and classification), pharm industry pressures, research and bioethics, residency training and education), and mental health service accessibility in general (lack of services in rural areas, insurance companies, cuts to medicare/medicaid, republicans......🙂).
 
erg923 said:
Again, if you are REALLY that concerned, please PM me and we can discuss a host of problems facing the field (taxometrics, nosology (i.e.,diagnosis and classification), pharm industry pressures, research and bioethics, residency training and education), and mental health service accessibility in general (lack of services in rural areas, insurance companies, cuts to medicare/medicaid, republicans......🙂).
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We're not all bad, but I can't say that about the ones left in the presidential race.
 
Scroll down to page 6:

http://www.nami.org/Content/ContentGroups/CAAC/NAMIBeginnings_Issue7.pdf

Scientology is actively trying to influence legislation on "all the big issues" facing psychiatry. They are major stakeholders in there NOT being parity for mental health. Like I said before, Ken Duckworth (a reasonable, dedicated psychiatrist and the medical director of NAMI) has stated multiple times that Scientology really does pose a significant threat to the advancement of mental health treatment. So, I don't find it easy to be so dismissive of this.

On a side note - I'm really upset to learn that Nancy Cartwright is a scientologist... can I really boycott The Simpsons?
 
Absolutely Doc. As educated as the people are that frequent this board, I'm surprised to see it so easily dismissed. Again, my goal was just to make sure the professionals in this field were very well aware of what they are trying to do. As more and more Scientologists come out of the wood work and come forward, not just with their testimonials, but also with many internal documents and videos that fully disclose the full purpose of this cult. Thier overall goal is stated very clearly in many of the inside DVD's that have now ended up on the internet. It is simply world domination. I forget which video it is so I am unable to make a direct quote; but David Miscaviage says something along the lines of "...and we will clear the planet without them even knowing, 3-feet behind them."

I just don't see how anyone can ignore this. This is just madness. The more you look into this organization the farther your jaw drops. I'm still working on getting mine out the foundation of my house.

Thanks for your wise input Doc, it is obvious you have done some homework on this subject and I will be looking up Ken Duckworth following my submission.

notdeadyet - None of the organizations you used as examples have an overall goal of destructing the collective psyche of mankind for their own greedy needs. Again, you guys are comparing apples and oranges -- they're both fruit, but they are not the same. This isn't to say I think its OK at all. I also wish there was an effective way we could have a higher stringency of separation of church and state.

ERG - What's up with the cynical or almost pessimistic attitude? I'm sorry you feel that you are invulnerable to this organization. I do not for a moment dismiss the fact that you all are dealing with greater threats indeed. I also never claimed to be well educated or a part of the industry itself -- I am merely a concerned citizen a part of Anonymous and am doing whatever I can to alert the world to this cult and its true motives on this planet.


Going back to your Nazi example, Erg, I almost feel like that first guy running out of Germany saying "YOU GUYS!!!!!" and probably everyone looked at him and said "Eh, is it really THAT bad?". Yes, it IS that bad and it IS that critical to stop their growth immediately.

Thank you for your time as always everybody - I've enjoyed reading all of your feedback. Keep it coming!
 
Yeah CCHR is one of many front groups for the church. Most do not clearly admit their affiliation. I'm actually really surprised that CCHR says so right on the front page.

That commercial is just sick. Way to twist it so it works for you. Classic tactics, unfortunately. :\
 
OldPsychDoc said:
The sad part is that inasmuch as Brit's problems appear to be more, shall we say, Axis II related, having a bunch of scientologists intervening on her behalf might bring a whole lot of very visible stability to the situation, and make their anti-psychiatry case stronger as yet one more troubled celebrity is "saved" by L. Ron's ramblings....
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Right. Nothing like a bit of brainwashing to change axis II pathology.
 
Y'know if only I knew a properly motivated attorney to launch a class action lawsuit against scientology, and organize all the disgruntled ex-devotees to actually speak up in court.
 
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