I think my class is losin five students at the end of this semester. Sucks. Not bad as far as numbers, but one was really tight w/me when school started.
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5 students? That seems like a lot. Why are they leaving?
When you hook up with your mate again in a few and you find out he is making well over six figures as a CPA or whatnot, you can console yourself that it is still possible to work yourself to death as a pharmacist.
I popped in to the Rite Aid in beautiful downtown Yelm Washington. The pharmacist manager has been running the show himself for some time now with a bit of assistance from floaters to give him SOME time off. He is tired of working twelve hour days five days a week.....
yeah sucks @ss. i like her a lot.
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Only five days a week? My store had 14-hours day 6 days a week, and a 7-hour day on Sunday. And the other pharmacist went to Africa for a family funeral for all of December and most of January one year. I had an occasional relief pharmacist, but mostly it was me covering.
I really liked my staff, though, so while it was exhausting, it wasn't miserable.
Spent the money on LASIK surgery, and don't regret it one bit.
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someone in our class will leave for med school next year.
that sucks. one seat will be wasted.
that sucks. one seat will be wasted.
I think he has been doing this for at least six months now. That is how long I have been aware of the position being open.
You did the LASIK!?! I've been considering it but I have a customer who had it done and it messed her up some kind of bad.
Scared me off. You only have two chances to get it right.
Question: to stay in Pharmacy school is it pretty much just never get a lower grade than a C?
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It depends on the school. UF is nice enough to allow 3 D's as long as your GPA for that year doesn't fall below 2.0. If it does, you have to repeat the class, stay back a year, and never make another D. Considering the classes that you could make a D in, like pathophysiology are worth 5 credit hours and the fluff classes are worth 1 or 2 credit hours, it doesn't make much of a difference. By the end of the 3rd year, your cumulative GPA has to be 2.5 or higher.
I spent my afternoon tutoring for the biochem final tomorrow. There are several students with D's and it's a 4 credit hour class. This class is hard. I had biochem last year and I still barely have a B going into the final. I hope they pull through.
I spent my afternoon tutoring for the biochem final tomorrow. There are several students with D's and it's a 4 credit hour class. This class is hard. I had biochem last year and I still barely have a B going into the final. I hope they pull through.
Dana, with you in their corner how can they lose if they really want it?
If you get a 'D' in any class at SC you have to repeat the class the following year with the following class and you cannot progress, so you're out for the year and sent down one level. I think it's bogus.
Painful, but it really puts the pressure on to focus when you know that you will be a cranky old fart before you graduate if you don't crack to.
It is a wonderful mechanism to see just how serious you are. Fish or cut bait.
Perhaps, but a lot of these peeps have never experienced a workload like this before. Moreover, you can be smokin five courses, but if you pooch just one you're gonzo. I think that's a little harsh.
The student we may have lost was hella bright and had plenty of good ideas. It's hard to say.....
It is harsh, and I am ashamed to say just how personally painful
it was. That is why I am qualified to say fish or cut bait.
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your very own tiny violin. 😛
j/k...that's harsh and unnecessary.
My grades have been good n the hood, so it's not gonna mess w/me, but others were not so fortunate.
Enough of this sadness.......
Enough of this sadness.......
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USC has recently changed its standards. You now need a 2.6 gpa to advance to level II and a 3.0 to graduate. Unfortunately, 5 students had a D in biosystem and as a result, they will have to repeat the whole year. I really feel for them because biosystem is not an easy class especially when you did not major in bio as an undergraduate.
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the good thing about this policy is that the students would study really hard to know the stuff. the truth is that the school simply wants the F'in money! I feel sorry for those who have to repeat one more year.
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The biosystem coordinator tried really hard to pass everyone by lowing the curve and giving extra credit quizzes but those 5 students who received a D simply did poorly. I feel bad for them but at the same time, I do not feel they should advance. They need to take some time off and evaluate their situation.
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It's the same way here at UH. There were about 10 people that didn't pass our organ systems class that now have to wait out a year.
I heard that for the class that came in this fall and for the rest of incoming classes USC had raised the GPA req, isn't it 3.2 now?
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Are their people flunking boards or something, that they need to crank down so hard on the students there?
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Actually samoa, SC has a good pass rate on the boards. some years we even do better then UCSF. so it was curious that they raised the requirement and made it so harsh. SC is usually very kick back and helps students in whatever way they can to pass and move forward. i was thinking they did it cuz the class size this year became too large. i think more students than expected opted to come to SC this year...
that's what i think but i don't know for sure. maybe BMbio, tri, or lyzzie know why.
that's what i think but i don't know for sure. maybe BMbio, tri, or lyzzie know why.
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that sounds like a plausible explanation.
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lilmk is right. USC usually has a high passing rate every year. i don't see why they need to raise their gpa requirement. our graduate gpa requirement is 2.0 and we still do well on the board.
i can't think of any reason but keeping students longer and making more money for the school. who knows. maybe they want to reach >90% passing rate on the naplex next year.
i can't think of any reason but keeping students longer and making more money for the school. who knows. maybe they want to reach >90% passing rate on the naplex next year.
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Is it just me, or is that kinda low? My school's pass rate was 100% most years. They had one bad year where it was about 90%, but everybody knew that was the stupid class. 
I can say that because I was in it until I tracked into the PharmD. 😀
I can say that because I was in it until I tracked into the PharmD. 😀USC didn't look to good 1/03: (1st attempts)
UCSF 66.7%
UOP 66.7%
USC 42.9%
Though the january testers are usually the bottom of the barrel.
But they were lowest in 6/02 also:
UCSF 79.5%
UOP 81.1%
USC 78.9%
Then compare that to non-California school pass rates which average under 40%!!! Eeeeeeek.
I think the 6/03 rates had USC back near the top, UOP tanked, and UCSF had their usual high passing rates, though they're not posted on the CA board website.
UCSF 66.7%
UOP 66.7%
USC 42.9%
Though the january testers are usually the bottom of the barrel.
But they were lowest in 6/02 also:
UCSF 79.5%
UOP 81.1%
USC 78.9%
Then compare that to non-California school pass rates which average under 40%!!! Eeeeeeek.
I think the 6/03 rates had USC back near the top, UOP tanked, and UCSF had their usual high passing rates, though they're not posted on the CA board website.
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It is posted: http://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/exam_stats_03_jun.htm
June 2003 results:
UCSF 85.8%
UOP 65.6%
Western 65.3
USC 81.5%
June 2003 results:
UCSF 85.8%
UOP 65.6%
Western 65.3
USC 81.5%
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Oh, the Cali board. Yeah, that's what happens when you have a short answer/essay kind of test. Ability to express your thoughts clearly in writing becomes as essential as knowledge. And then there's always the unknown factor of who's grading it, and whether THEY understand what you're trying to say. And as you can tell just by reading this board, even well-written, knowledgeable posts aren't crystal clear to everyone.
Anyway, I was talking about NAPLEX (or actually, the old Texas law exam--even the so-called stupid class had 100% pass rate on the NAPLEX, or NABPLEX as it was then).
Anyway, I was talking about NAPLEX (or actually, the old Texas law exam--even the so-called stupid class had 100% pass rate on the NAPLEX, or NABPLEX as it was then).
Considering our classes are a lot bigger than ucsf's we're sitting pretty.
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BMB,
I appreciate your comments dude. Dr. Ann is the man, huh?
I spoke w/a couple fac members, the five peeps that got a D in bio sys aren't gonna be back w/us. If they return, it'll be with the class next fall.
I also heard that there a few that didn't pass genetics, that weren't allowed to take the bio sys final.
Our bio sys prof was really upset about the students that got D's, but he was adamant that they he didn't fail them, they failed themselves. He definitely tried hard to cook the curve, and give us points, so i'm w/him.
In a twisted way, I wanna see who's missing on the first day.
I also heard that there a few that didn't pass genetics, that weren't allowed to take the bio sys final.
Our bio sys prof was really upset about the students that got D's, but he was adamant that they he didn't fail them, they failed themselves. He definitely tried hard to cook the curve, and give us points, so i'm w/him.
In a twisted way, I wanna see who's missing on the first day.
The old story from the first day of class. Look at your neighbors.
One of them won't be here next semester.
The class I graduated with turned over completely once. Started with 120. Dropped to sixty. Sixty transferred in bring it back to 120. Sixty actually graduated.
Grab hold and hang on. It's a wild ride.
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I'm kind of curious to see who won't be there next semester. A friend just emailed me and said 22 students of the 2nd year class failed pharmacology. There were only 40 something students in that class, so that's about a 50% fail rate. I heard that 2nd year is killler.
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I dont blame him for failing those 5 students. I know he tried to talk to anyone who did do well on the exam. In addition, USC tried to set up free tutoring for those who are struggling. I hear 2 students did not pass genetics as well. Hopefully, those are the same students who did not do well on biosystem. I think overall about 5 to 10 students (out of 198) are not returning for the Spring semester.
at uop 5 people failed math
at least 1 failed biology
and 1 failed chemistry.
Failiing is an F here....plenty of D's.
Good heavens we don't have to maintain a 2.5.
Regarding the UOP scores, I talked to the faculty. We had a high passing rate in the MC portion >95%. We just got killed in the essay portion. They are trying to push more writing in the curriculum.
at least 1 failed biology
and 1 failed chemistry.
Failiing is an F here....plenty of D's.
Good heavens we don't have to maintain a 2.5.
Regarding the UOP scores, I talked to the faculty. We had a high passing rate in the MC portion >95%. We just got killed in the essay portion. They are trying to push more writing in the curriculum.