Declaring Financial Independence

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Hey All,

I am a junior getting ready to start the MD/PhD application process. I will applying exclusively to MD/PhD programs. My parents think that I should file my own tax return next year in order to obtain financial independence, but in doing so, I lose dental benefits from my dads job (and I actually plan on getting a little orthodontic work done after I interview).

Is there any benefit to declaring financial independence? I know that if I get rejected from MD/PhD's and accepted MD only it could make a difference in my financial aid, but is the stipend at all reliant on parental/my income?

Also, is the stipend taxable? This would be worth consideration because declaring financial independence would mean I'm in a lower tax bracket than if my income was pooled with that of my parents.

Thanks for your help.
 
Hey All,

I am a junior getting ready to start the MD/PhD application process. I will applying exclusively to MD/PhD programs. My parents think that I should file my own tax return next year in order to obtain financial independence, but in doing so, I lose dental benefits from my dads job (and I actually plan on getting a little orthodontic work done after I interview).

Is there any benefit to declaring financial independence? I know that if I get rejected from MD/PhD's and accepted MD only it could make a difference in my financial aid, but is the stipend at all reliant on parental/my income?

Also, is the stipend taxable? This would be worth consideration because declaring financial independence would mean I'm in a lower tax bracket than if my income was pooled with that of my parents.

Thanks for your help.
In short, I wouldn't waste your time. I'm not a tax professional, and I hardly am an expert. Maybe someone in your undergrad's finaid office might know better/more accurately.

From experience, they always consider your parents income even if you're 'independent'. I'm married and have lived away from my parents for 6 years now, but I've only filed independently twice now (joint with my spouse, that is). For Federal Taxes, it definitely helps because I make diddly as a research tech. It's actually to the point that I have more deductions than actual taxes paid, so if I wasn't married I might be able to get more money back if I filed under my parents tax return as they have more taxable income.

As for stipends, search the forums I'm sure people have talked about it. Some schools just give you a stipend and its up to you to file with the IRS, some schools do normal withholding. Fellowship money if used for tuition and related expenses is completely non-taxable. Also, I think federal grant money is non-taxable as well as any salary support that might come from those grants. This might hold for an MSTP stipend, but I'm not completely sure on that. Seems to me that some of the MSTP md/phd's said they have to still file with the IRS.

Also, for financial aid for medical school, when you file the FAFSA, they require your parents 1040 in addition to your own REGARDLESS of your financial independence (or lack thereof) as a medial student. I don't think grad students have to include their parents info if they're independent.

Hope that helps. Long story short, stay a dependent. Your parents will save more money with you on their taxes in your undergrad on tuition and ed loan interest deductions. You'll also be able to get some dental work done on your parents insurance. Win-win.
 
OP: so I actually filed as a independent on my tax returns for the first time this year and could answer a few of your questions but I'm not an MD/PhD student:

1) You should confirm that you'll lose your dental benefit from your parents if you file as an independent. Many states have laws that allow children to stay on their parents' healthcare plans regardless of dependency status.

2) Yes there are definite benefits to being independent. The IRS considers you a de facto (and de jure) head of household if you file as an independent and thus you automatically qualify for a large deduction and exemption that makes approx the first 8-9K of your income non-taxable (so you can feed, clothe, and shelter yourself). If you are a dependent, then it is assumed that someone else pays for your basic necessities and they then get an extra exemption and other deductions instead of you.

3) No clue about MD financial aid, but I would check to make sure that your parent's income isn't considered on the FAFSA regardless of your dependency status.

4) Stipends unless you use it for education expenses like books, tuition, etc are usually taxable income. However, your dependency status actually doesn't directly affect your tax bracket.

If you earn enough such that you have to file a separate tax return (regardless if whether it is as a dependent or independent), your income will be taxed according to the bracket that it alone falls into. The threshold for needing to file I believe is somewhere around $1000 a year. In that case, it is not added to your parents' income because it is on a separate return. The main difference is that, as a dependent, you get fewer deductions and exemptions and thus more of your income is taxable.

5) AFAIK, federal grants are generally taxable. How the grants are considered by the IRS depends on who hands you the money basically. If the grant is administered by a school which pays you a stipend, then it might be as earned income (W-2), a grant (1099), misc income (1099MISC), or even self-reported. If the federal govt pays you directly (ie you get paid by the US Treasury biweekly/monthly/whatever), then you get a 1099-G (for gubmint payment!) and it is still usually taxable. The only exceptions are probably for stuff like tuition, books, etc.

Overall, I would delay filing as an independent until after college because of certain rules pertaining to claiming tax credits for tuition and other educational expenses. The reason is that if your parents pay for at least part of your tuition, then they can claim deductions or tax credits from that if they claim you as a dependent. However, if you file as an independent, then you will usually need to claim those deductions or credits yourself. The problem lies in the fact that many students do not make enough income such that they can claim all of that deduction/credit and at least part of some of those deductions/credits are not refundable.

In more concrete terms:

Say you can claim $2000 of credits from paying your tuition. If you are a dependent, then your parents can claim that and reduce their taxes by $2K. But if you file as an independent, then chances are, as a student, you don't actually need to pay $2000 in taxes (which equals about $20K of income assuming a 10% tax rate). Assuming you pay something like $500 in taxes as a student (basically you work part time in school), you then have a balance of -$1500. Since students below 24 (I believe) cannot usually get the difference refunded, you basically lose any negative balance you had and thus you'll end up losing free money because you don't earn enough income to claim all the tax breaks for which you are eligible.

So I would definitely talk with your parents and figure out exactly how much you expect to earn and how much credits/deductions you expect to claim and run your taxes both ways to figure out which one is a better deal.
 
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Hey All,

but is the stipend at all reliant on parental/my income?

Also, is the stipend taxable?

No, the stipend is not at all reliant on your parent's income if you are in an NIH-funded MSTP.

Yes, the stipend is taxable. The specifics are dependent on what program you attend because each has a slightly different mechanism of how they pay you.
 
Fellowship money if used for tuition and related expenses is completely non-taxable.

This is true.

Also, I think federal grant money is non-taxable as well as any salary support that might come from those grants. This might hold for an MSTP stipend, but I'm not completely sure on that.

This is not true. All income is subject to income taxes, even if it is income in the form of a stipend.
 
How the grants are considered by the IRS depends on who hands you the money basically. If the grant is administered by a school which pays you a stipend, then it might be as earned income (W-2), a grant (1099), misc income (1099MISC), or even self-reported. If the federal govt pays you directly (ie you get paid by the US Treasury biweekly/monthly/whatever), then you get a 1099-G (for gubmint payment!) and it is still usually taxable. The only exceptions are probably for stuff like tuition, books, etc.

Overall, this is a very informative post. I would just highlight that no matter how your institution distributes the money to you, it is taxable. If they distribute it to you as W2, then they are witholding tax from each paycheck. If they distribute through 1099 mechanisms, they are not withholding payroll taxes but you are responsible for paying quaterly estimated taxes, and not doing so can incure a fine plus interest when you file in April.

Just to reiterate, for all intensive purposes MSTP stipends are always taxable, but different schools distribute/report them differently so the manner in which those taxes get paid may differ my institution.
 
I'll just add a few things:

1) Stipend money used for educational expenses such as books and equipment (computer) that is required as a condition for attendance is generally not taxed and can be deducted

2) Institutions reporting stipends on a W-2 might also withhold social security and medicare payroll taxes whereas those taxes are not assessed at all for income reported on 1099.

3) Estimated taxes are generally recommended for significant income that will be reported on 1099. However, generally, if you think you'll owe less than $1000 when you file your tax returns on april 15th, then you can probably get away with not paying estimated tax.
 
Overall, this is a very informative post. I would just highlight that no matter how your institution distributes the money to you, it is taxable. If they distribute it to you as W2, then they are witholding tax from each paycheck. If they distribute through 1099 mechanisms, they are not withholding payroll taxes but you are responsible for paying quaterly estimated taxes, and not doing so can incure a fine plus interest when you file in April.

Just to reiterate, for all intensive purposes MSTP stipends are always taxable, but different schools distribute/report them differently so the manner in which those taxes get paid may differ my institution.

It is more complicated than this. I highly recommend current students speak to their peers about what they are doing. Many of my classmates do not pay taxes. Some of them hire/know accountants (who know the laws far better than any of us) that say that the MSTP income is not necessarily taxable. There are many laws in addition to the commonly cited law that states that our stipend is taxable, and a good accountant who files for you will allow you to not have your stipend taxed. I can't say much else with any certainty, other than it is not uncommon for students to not pay taxes by using a good accountant.
 
It is more complicated than this. I highly recommend current students speak to their peers about what they are doing. Many of my classmates do not pay taxes. Some of them hire/know accountants (who know the laws far better than any of us) that say that the MSTP income is not necessarily taxable. There are many laws in addition to the commonly cited law that states that our stipend is taxable, and a good accountant who files for you will allow you to not have your stipend taxed. I can't say much else with any certainty, other than it is not uncommon for students to not pay taxes by using a good accountant.


this may be "legal" in the sense that the accountant is vouching for you, but my family has a very "good accountant" who has spent a decent amount of time on this and can verify that the stipend is taxable. I think that some people's definition of "good accountant" is one who gives them the most cover from their tax liability, however, cheating is cheating regardless of whether somebody tells you it is OK.
 
this may be "legal" in the sense that the accountant is vouching for you, but my family has a very "good accountant" who has spent a decent amount of time on this and can verify that the stipend is taxable. I think that some people's definition of "good accountant" is one who gives them the most cover from their tax liability, however, cheating is cheating regardless of whether somebody tells you it is OK.

Yes, not to mention the NIH funding announcements specifically say it is taxable (at least for F30).
 
Yes, not to mention the NIH funding announcements specifically say it is taxable (at least for F30).
Just silly. Thanks government for taxing the money you awarded. Want to just deduct the taxes before awarding money? Course not, that'd make too much sense.
 
Just silly. Thanks government for taxing the money you awarded. Want to just deduct the taxes before awarding money? Course not, that'd make too much sense.

Why set up an entirely different system of income tax collection for the 900 MSTP trainees that are T32 funded in any particular year? That does not make any sense. Believe it or not, sometimes the government knows what it is doing.
 
It doesn't have to be a totally new system. By simply exempting any income tax from federally funded grants, they'd make a nice exemption that would work right into our currently overly complex tax environment.

Our tax code is already asinine in complexity requiring lawyers and accountants who specifically work with tax law... Tax law complexity simply creates a need for a superfluous industry.

The government always makes things more complex than the worst corporate environment could possibly think of. At least in my personal experience working in the legislature and in a corporate environment. But hey, call me crazy if I think theres something wrong with the government giving tax breaks to fracking and environmentally un-friendly natural gas companies but then throws HR 1 into the mix to cut NIH funding...and the NIH grants that do provide salary support are taxed...thereby redirecting funds back into the general fund. Maybe I'm wrong, but that just seems a little off... /thread hijack
 
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