Definition of a URM

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I am of South Asian decent (born and raised in Canada to immigrant parents from Northeast India). I am wondering if I would qualify as a URM?

The official definition doesn't exactly answer this so I'm just wondering what your thoughts are.

Thanks.
 
URM = african american, hispanic, native american, women

basically ppl who got screwed back in the day, now its the whites. ;p
 
Interesting. Thanks!

Well I guess I fall into the women category...although all the stats I've been looking at lately seem to show med school classes are 50/50 in regards to gender.
 
Under Represented in Medicine.

For some people it's an tool for them to get into medicine with because they came from circumstances that might have prevented them from getting in. For a few its an excuse to be lazy and get by on mediocre score and gpa.
 
URM = african american, hispanic, native american, women

basically ppl who got screwed back in the day, now its the whites. ;p

Under represented implies that, in terms of population ratio, they are fewer in number (and therefor under represented) in the field than would be expected given their population in the US. Generally speaking, these minorities are considered to be disadvantaged. Women, who are, last I've heard, make up slightly more than half of current medical students, are not considered under represented any longer.

OP, you're Indian, your people are, along with Jews and Orientals, the epitome of being over represented. nice try though.
 
I am going to take a guess that you're not going to be counted as a URM

I figured as much. Oh well, I guess I will have to work harder.

ppfizenm: I can definitely say at this point in my life, a lot of my white colleagues that do NOT understand how I grew up and the disadvantages I faced growing up in a home with immigrant parents and grandparents. There was abuse and my parents idea of "sheltering" my life from the real world. I didn't learn a lot of things until I moved out at 18 to start university and the only reason I got to move out was because I put up a HUGE fight to finally get some freedom.

I'm not asking them to go "soft" on me because of the decisions and set backs my parents and I experience due to our ethnicity and traditions. It would be nice if they considered it.

I hear from fellow pre-meds all the opportunities they are given because their parents helped them out financially or found opportunities for them (like research internships for example) and it definitely makes me feel like I will never make it to medical school because I didn't have those opportunities.

Anyways sorry if it sounds like I'm complaining. I know the only way for me to make it is to suck it up and work as hard as I can. I just have had a lot on my mind and needed a place to get this out because no one around me seems to understand how I am feeling.
 
OP, you're Indian, your people are, along with Jews and Orientals, the epitome of being over represented. nice try though.

Thank you. This made me laugh as I forgot there are ALOT of indians in the US. I am originally from Canada and always thought of it as a myth. If it weren't for all those damn Indian parents pushing their kids to be doctors....gah! Sad part is my parents aren't helping me at all 🙁
 
Thank you. This made me laugh as I forgot there are ALOT of indians in the US. I am originally from Canada and always thought of it as a myth. If it weren't for all those damn Indian parents pushing their kids to be doctors....gah! Sad part is my parents aren't helping me at all 🙁

Don't be a doctor for your parents. Do it if you want to do it or you will continue feeling like how you are feeling now for the rest of your life!
 
Before June 26, 2003, the AAMC used the term "underrepresented minority (URM)," which consisted of Blacks, Mexican-Americans, Native Americans (that is, American Indians, Alaska Natives, and Native Hawaiians), and mainland Puerto Ricans. The AAMC remains committed to ensuring access to medical education and medicine-related careers for individuals from these four historically underrepresented racial/ethnic groups.

I am unsure as to where the uncertainty lies.
 
I figured as much. Oh well, I guess I will have to work harder.

ppfizenm: I can definitely say at this point in my life, a lot of my white colleagues that do NOT understand how I grew up and the disadvantages I faced growing up in a home with immigrant parents and grandparents. There was abuse and my parents idea of "sheltering" my life from the real world. I didn't learn a lot of things until I moved out at 18 to start university and the only reason I got to move out was because I put up a HUGE fight to finally get some freedom.

I'm not asking them to go "soft" on me because of the decisions and set backs my parents and I experience due to our ethnicity and traditions. It would be nice if they considered it.

I hear from fellow pre-meds all the opportunities they are given because their parents helped them out financially or found opportunities for them (like research internships for example) and it definitely makes me feel like I will never make it to medical school because I didn't have those opportunities.

Anyways sorry if it sounds like I'm complaining. I know the only way for me to make it is to suck it up and work as hard as I can. I just have had a lot on my mind and needed a place to get this out because no one around me seems to understand how I am feeling.

There is an option to apply as a disadvantaged applicant regardless of race. It is indicated on the primary AMCAS and you write a personal statement about why.
 
There is an option to apply as a disadvantaged applicant regardless of race. It is indicated on the primary AMCAS and you write a personal statement about why.

I hate when people use there race to say they are at a disadvantage because of society. I see the argument but I'm not sold on it.

I feel like I would be crying wolf. My parents did the best they could and definitely made major mistakes because they were such new immigrants they had no idea about societal norms in the western world. For example, I wasn't allowed to play sports growing up because I was female. Later on they realized in CANADA it is normal for girls to play sports. Definitely took em awhile to figure that one out!

Anyways thanks for the input everyone.
 
I hate when people use there race to say they are at a disadvantage because of society. I see the argument but I'm not sold on it.

I feel like I would be crying wolf. My parents did the best they could and definitely made major mistakes because they were such new immigrants they had no idea about societal norms in the western world. For example,I wasn't allowed to play sports growing up because I was female. Later on they realized in CANADA it is normal for girls to play sports. Definitely took em awhile to figure that one out!

Anyways thanks for the input everyone.

Really? That is (one of) your reason(s) for being disadvantaged? What is next on the list? Not being allowed to go to the prom?
 
I hate when people use there race to say they are at a disadvantage because of society. I see the argument but I'm not sold on it.

I feel like I would be crying wolf. My parents did the best they could and definitely made major mistakes because they were such new immigrants they had no idea about societal norms in the western world. For example, I wasn't allowed to play sports growing up because I was female. Later on they realized in CANADA it is normal for girls to play sports. Definitely took em awhile to figure that one out!

Anyways thanks for the input everyone.

Oh the irony :laugh:
 
Yeah, if you grew up super poor, then you can apply as disadvantaged. It doesn't really have anything to do with race.
 
I figured as much. Oh well, I guess I will have to work harder.

ppfizenm: I can definitely say at this point in my life, a lot of my white colleagues that do NOT understand how I grew up and the disadvantages I faced growing up in a home with immigrant parents and grandparents. There was abuse and my parents idea of "sheltering" my life from the real world. I didn't learn a lot of things until I moved out at 18 to start university and the only reason I got to move out was because I put up a HUGE fight to finally get some freedom.

I'm not asking them to go "soft" on me because of the decisions and set backs my parents and I experience due to our ethnicity and traditions. It would be nice if they considered it.

I hear from fellow pre-meds all the opportunities they are given because their parents helped them out financially or found opportunities for them (like research internships for example) and it definitely makes me feel like I will never make it to medical school because I didn't have those opportunities.

Anyways sorry if it sounds like I'm complaining. I know the only way for me to make it is to suck it up and work as hard as I can. I just have had a lot on my mind and needed a place to get this out because no one around me seems to understand how I am feeling.

Not severe enough. From what I have gathered from your post, it sounds like you are trying to find excuses so you can have slightly better chances.

My parents don't speak English. My dad works as a technician, and my mom is a baby-sitter. We moved to the United States couple years ago. I lived in a 700 square foot apartment sharing a room with my sibling throughout my life. I didn't learn English until I was 16. I work to pay my bills/rent in college, and I am not applying as disadvantaged.

Being disadvantaged means you had severe circumstances that limited your education. For example, being homeless, foster care (sometimes), physical/emotional/sexual abuse, etc. If you have a roof over your head, food on your plate, and you don't have to worry about how to feed yourself tomorrow, then you are not disadvantaged. I am not disadvantaged because my research job pays for my bills and I have parents that will help me out if I can't feed myself.

You made a point about research positions - yes, there are ppl that have research positions handed to them because of their parents. However, many of us didn't have that privilege. A lot of us had to work our tails off to find a position. I started doing research as a freshman in high school. I didn't speak much English back then, but it didn't stop me from finding a research position (I had to email 50 ppl - but got it). You need to have a go-getter attitude and not whine about your disadvantaged past. If you see a problem, fix it.

As an Indian, I faced the "culture issues" as well, but they have never stopped for reaching for the stars and aiming high. To be honest, I didn't ever hang out with my friends until I was a senior in high school. Yep, didn't really have friends in high school because my parents shielded from "American culture" (which is utter bull**** btw).

Anyway, it's all dependent on your motivation and your passion for medicine. If you want to do it, you will do it. It's not that hard. You just need to be motivated.

What do you mean by abuse? Sexual abuse? Emotional abuse? Physical abuse? What have you done to overcome the situation?
 
dartmed-thanks for sharing such personal details. I hope you don't get the idea that I would actually consider applying as a disadvantaged applicant. That would be pretty unethical in my opinion. As for the abuse, I'd rather not get into personal details on the board. I like to think I have learned something from all my past experiences that could eventually help me to become a better MD.

Yes I am exploring all my options because I would like to know if I can help my chances of getting in besides keep working my behind off. I know that probably pi**es some of you off but I see getting into med school as a game almost. Hard work will obviously pay off but it's also part luck/skill from what I have been told by past applicants.

Sorry if that ticks some of you off but that's the cold hard truth. I'm sure there are many others who have had similar thoughts run through there head but are too afraid to just ask because they will be judged. I have no shame in that sense 🙂
 
Why is that intheclouds remainds me so much of good ol' BoxinMoxin?
 
dartmed-thanks for sharing such personal details. I hope you don't get the idea that I would actually consider applying as a disadvantaged applicant. That would be pretty unethical in my opinion. As for the abuse, I'd rather not get into personal details on the board. I like to think I have learned something from all my past experiences that could eventually help me to become a better MD.

Yes I am exploring all my options because I would like to know if I can help my chances of getting in besides keep working my behind off. I know that probably pi**es some of you off but I see getting into med school as a game almost. Hard work will obviously pay off but it's also part luck/skill from what I have been told by past applicants.

Sorry if that ticks some of you off but that's the cold hard truth. I'm sure there are many others who have had similar thoughts run through there head but are too afraid to just ask because they will be judged. I have no shame in that sense 🙂

Yes, the med school admissions can be a bit of a gamble, and I have noticed that as well. I have also noticed that if you have the stats (3.7+/33+) and the EC (some volunteer work, leadership, and research), you can get into A MEDICAL SCHOOL. May not be your top choice, but you will be a doctor. Again, if you have personality flaws (exceptionally shy) or criminal records that can hurt your chances...it sounds like that's not your case though.

Most people on here who don't have the stats realized that they wanted to study medicine a little late or messed-up because of their youth, and their GPAs took hit. However, the motivated ones really go all out, and strive for their dreams. We are privileged to be Americans. We are not being choked by the same type of competition that most people in the Asian countries (China and India) have when they want to get into medical school. We should be thankful for that.

My last point would be to be a go getter. Don't dwell on the past. Live in the present.
 
dartmed-thanks for sharing such personal details. I hope you don't get the idea that I would actually consider applying as a disadvantaged applicant. That would be pretty unethical in my opinion. As for the abuse, I'd rather not get into personal details on the board. I like to think I have learned something from all my past experiences that could eventually help me to become a better MD.

Yes I am exploring all my options because I would like to know if I can help my chances of getting in besides keep working my behind off. I know that probably pi**es some of you off but I see getting into med school as a game almost. Hard work will obviously pay off but it's also part luck/skill from what I have been told by past applicants.

Sorry if that ticks some of you off but that's the cold hard truth. I'm sure there are many others who have had similar thoughts run through there head but are too afraid to just ask because they will be judged. I have no shame in that sense 🙂

The way I see it, getting into any individual school is a crapshoot. But when you look at the medical school admissions as a whole, qualified people (who worked hard and have the stats, ECs to prove it) get in somewhere a vast majority of the time.
 
Why is that intheclouds remainds me so much of good ol' BoxinMoxin?

that's exactly what i was thinking... except intheclouds types/writes way better

also to add on about the "parents helping out" -- my parents basically know nothing about what it takes to get into medical school. i've NEVER had them help with anything beyond maybe editing my personal statement or bouncing ideas off of them. they've never helped me come up with a resume, look for a job, find shadowing/research opportunities, etc. i did this all on my own. i have zero connections to the medical field whatsoever. sure, i see some of my friends who come from families of doctors that get research jobs easily or easy shadowing. but i get the same opportunities too just by hardwork and being resourceful. you can do it if you just look around and are aggressive. besides, i think in the end, the fact that you have initiative to seek these opportunities out (instead of having them handed to you) will help you in the long run.
 
I am of South Asian decent (born and raised in Canada to immigrant parents from Northeast India). I am wondering if I would qualify as a URM?

The official definition doesn't exactly answer this so I'm just wondering what your thoughts are.

Thanks.
lol no, thank you for the laughs.
 
lol no, thank you for the laughs.

You're welcome? Is this some sort of strange American humour I'm not aware of?

Thanks for the responses. I think I am just going through a "jaded" phase and been reflecting on my past quite a bit. I won't be applying until 2013 so I'm just scared my motivation will have burnt out by then.

Good luck to the rest of you.

p.s. Who is this boxin'moxin character whom you speak of? I'll try not to take it offensively...
 
You're welcome? Is this some sort of strange American humour I'm not aware of?

Thanks for the responses. I think I am just going through a "jaded" phase and been reflecting on my past quite a bit. I won't be applying until 2013 so I'm just scared my motivation will have burnt out by then.

Good luck to the rest of you.

p.s. Who is this boxin'moxin character whom you speak of? I'll try not to take it offensively...


You are giving up on these folks way too quickly. There is more to come. Wait till the racist short bus stops by. LOL
 
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