Dental Hygene

[Darksunshine]

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Originally Posted by TucsonDDS
They may have more prestige in the community like dentists do but their jobs are completely different. Show me an average doctor that can start an IV as well as the average nurse and I will be very surprised.



this is a horrible point. show me an average nurse that can perform a heart bypass operation. your arguement is so relative. but wouldnt the doctor be able to learn how to start an IV alot faster then a nurse would be able to learn how to perform an open heart surgery? hmmmmm




Show me the average doctor that can perform a heart bypass operation. At the hospital that I work (University medical center in Tucson) we have probably 4 or five hundred doctors and maybe 5 or 6 CT attendings, so that leaves oh, about, 4 or 5 hundred doctors that can't perform open heart surgery. Show me an average doctor that can work ECMO, CVVHD, contunious peritoneal dialysis, do perfusion calcs off the top of their heads, hell even check a blood glucose and I can show you 5 or 6 nurses that can. I am not bagging on Doctors or Dentists, actually I want to be a dentist, but people that say that doctors, dentists or any other professional are smarter than nurses, hygenists are full of s**t. I believe the hardest professional school to get into is Ventrinary school, does that mean that they are smarter than the rest of us. Well probably, as a vet you don't have to deal with insurance.

I think people like Umdeeman and JamesD like rattleing our chains. We should leave them to their ignorrance. And to Umdeeman: Read through the thread and you will see that your post's early on and that of JamesD make hygienist's sound over-paid and under educated. Clearly, others support hygienists so I think it is pretty clear from this thread that many took offense to it, and thereby supported "us". My respect goes out to those that did. You guys will be good bosses if you don't think you are better than those who don't have a huge string of initials after their names.

 

[USAF_Dentman]

I think people like Umdeeman and JamesD like rattleing our chains. We should leave them to their ignorrance. And to Umdeeman: Read through the thread and you will see that your post's early on and that of JamesD make hygienist's sound over-paid and under educated. Clearly, others support hygienists so I think it is pretty clear from this thread that many took offense to it, and thereby supported "us". My respect goes out to those that did. You guys will be good bosses if you don't think you are better than those who don't have a huge string of initials after their names.

WOW, u are WAY off. I NEVER said that hygenists were over paid and under educated.

I merely said that the PRE-REQUISITES are not as hard, not even mentioning school or pay.

Dont make up stories to try to prove your otherwise child-ish remarks.

 

[TucsonDDS]

OK, so I reread the thread and it didn't sound like as much bashing this time around. I think that we can all agree that Hygienists and Assistants are very valuable additions to most dental practices.

 

[Darksunshine]

WOW, u are WAY off. I NEVER said that hygenists were over paid and under educated.

I merely said that the PRE-REQUISITES are not as hard, not even mentioning school or pay.

Dont make up stories to try to prove your otherwise child-ish remarks.

Ok, I take back the ignorrant comment, and replace it with "un-informed".

Here is what you said though, and you tell me if it doesn't sound a "teensy" demeaning. And calling me childish is really silly considering you don't know how important a hygienist is going to be to your future income.

Yeah they are much easier, it doesnt take much to be a hygenist.

to be fair you also said:

Oh a hygenist does the teeth cleaning? **** i thought they were the ones who help with the paper work and helping the dentist...Again i apologize for the confusion, didnt mean to upset people.

But then if you are in Dental school YOU should know the difference between Asst's and Hygienist. So UMDeeMan says: (which actually makes sense)

haha, nice sarcasim.

he also goes on to say:

the pre-req classes don't inlclude physics or organic chemistry. it's easy to see how the gpa's are so high.

and finally he does "slam" me with:

the pre-req classes don't inlclude physics or organic chemistry. it's easy to see how the gpa's are so high.

don't be such a liberal.

There were others about how he couldn't believe hygienist's made SO Much money that only fueled this thread.

So having said all that, I guess being a hygienist I can see where it is "implied" we aren't educated and ARE over-paid. There is nothing childish about what I said and you are right about one thing.

You brought up the schooling issues and UMdeeMan brought up his "disbelief" in the pay. So I guess they sort of got mashed together.

Now we have all said our 0.02 cents we can move on.

 

[USAF_Dentman]

But then if you are in Dental school YOU should know the difference between Asst's and Hygienist. So UMDeeMan says: (which actually makes sense)

I'm not in D-school, i'm a sophmore in college. I just started deciding on dentistry in September. I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to dentistry. Sorry.

 

[UMDeeMan]

uhhh yeah, it is easy to see why the GPA's are so high. no physics or o-chem requirement. Someone please try to convince me and any logical individual that the mean GPA for admission into a RDH program would be as high with those 20 credits required, relative to what it is now (near 4.0). WHY CAN"T YOU SEE WHAT I"M GETTING AT???!!! yes it's possible, but the odds are highly unlikely.

yes, my initial reaction to the RDH avg. salary was shock and disbelief. that is not the same as bashing. i'm sorry if i didn't sugar coat it for you. obviously your predisposed positioning of where i stand on this issue, which really is nowhere, allowed you to convince yourself that my proceeding conversations were deragatory in nature.

nobody said you weren't uneducated and you took it upon yourself to claim that you "ARE" over-paid. the whole education issue came about when comparing PA's to RDH's. WHY HAVEN'T YOU FIGURED THIS OUT YET? and yes PA's get more education.

michael moore would be proud of you. you obviously have mastered the spinning tactics that he uses in order to convince the mindless drones of this nation. but anyone with half a brain cell can decifer that it wasn't intended as bashing.in regard to the sarcasim, i was addressing JamesD.

again, you tried to plant the seeds of hate by your little comment "Clearly, others support hygienists so I think it is pretty clear from this thread that many took offense to it, and thereby supported "us". please show me where i said i didn't support them nor respected them.

i apologize for calling you a liberal, that was a bit harsh. i wouldn't want to be associated with a party that is loosing it's grip with reality with each passing day either. this has gotten out of hand but Darky is obviously looking to engage in some intellectual battling. i'm game, but not at the expense of getting booted from SDN.

jamesD, don't let the liberal try to confuse you with the spin. 🙂 JUST KIDDING, SENSE OF HUMOR!!!

 

[Darksunshine]

uhhh yeah, it is easy to see why the GPA's are so high. no physics or o-chem requirement. Someone please try to convince me and any logical individual that the mean GPA for admission into a RDH program would be as high with those 20 credits required, relative to what it is now (near 4.0). WHY CAN"T YOU SEE WHAT I"M GETTING AT???!!! yes it's possible, but the odds are highly unlikely.

Uh, Pay Attention: My program required 54 credits to be admitted. Talk about lieing about the FACTS.

yes, my initial reaction to the RDH avg. salary was shock and disbelief. that is not the same as bashing. i'm sorry if i didn't sugar coat it for you. obviously your predisposed positioning of where i stand on this issue, which really is nowhere, allowed you to convince yourself that my proceeding conversations were deragatory in nature.

I didn't ask you sugar coat it. These are your words and not mine. And could you refrain from acting like you KNOW anything about me, because you don't.

nobody said you weren't uneducated and you took it upon yourself to claim that you "ARE" over-paid. the whole education issue came about when comparing PA's to RDH's. WHY HAVEN'T YOU FIGURED THIS OUT YET? and yes PA's get more education.

I didn't say I was over-paid. You need to read the words on the page, and quit calling me "Darky". I am not yelling at you so WHY ALL THE CAPITAL LETTERS?????

michael moore would be proud of you. you obviously have mastered the spinning tactics that he uses in order to convince the mindless drones of this nation. but anyone with half a brain cell can decifer that it wasn't intended as bashing.in regard to the sarcasim, i was addressing JamesD.

Again comments on those of us "who disagree with you". Half a brain cell????
Do you really still think you aren't bashing????
Please.

again, you tried to plant the seeds of hate by your little comment "Clearly, others support hygienists so I think it is pretty clear from this thread that many took offense to it, and thereby supported "us". please show me where i said i didn't support them nor respected them.

I am not "planting" anything. You are the one using the words here, and you should own what you are saying.

 

[drtoothfairy]

UMDEEMAN

Can't you see that you have obviously insulted some of us on this site. I would not want to have someone as arrogant as you for a dentist!! Chill out with the baseless opinions.

 

[TaliaTN]

Bullfan16-

Encourage your friend to pursue hygiene if she wants. I love my job as a hygienist. It's flexible, I can work as much or as little as I want, and I love the interaction I have with my patients. A hygienist is an educator, and thats the part I like best about it.

She needs to observe A HYGIENIST about 25-30 hrs in general practice or a perio office would be even better. Some places I observed, the doc wanted me to observe him, when I really wanted to see what the RDH was doing. She needs to observe in several different offices to get a general idea... there is a huge difference between offices.

Then she needs to make an appointment with the director of the program she is interested in. They can guide her on what to take and when.

Talia

 

[UMDeeMan]

darky,

this is getting old. neither one of us want to back off but i'm going to so reply however you want. but just because your program requires 54 credits doesn't mean every program does. LSC only requires 20 credits of pre-req work.

drtooth, how have i insulted you, please enlighten? and if presenting facts is arrogrance then i dont want to be humble

 

[drtoothfairy]

darky,

this is getting old. neither one of us want to back off but i'm going to so reply however you want. but just because your program requires 54 credits doesn't mean every program does. LSC only requires 20 credits of pre-req work.

drtooth, how have i insulted you, please enlighten? and if presenting facts is arrogrance then i dont want to be humble

You do not present facts when you state that "It doesn't take much to be a hygienist". It is my understanding you are not a hygienist so therefore you cannot state fact, you have not personally been through a hygiene program.
Yes I felt insulted by your comments, I am a hygienist myself. My hygiene degree was not given to me, I worked my way for it. Now as far as difficulty it is up to the person that actually went through the program to comment. Now lets stop this nonsense, it is this type of behavior that has makes me skip over the studentdoctor postings.

 

[UMDeeMan]

Yeah they are much easier, it doesnt take much to be a hygenist.

dr.toothy,
if you want to lecture me, please do so on things i say ok? i know it's tough and you get confused, but come one now. and yes i can state a fact, i do not have to matriculate through a RDH program to compare pre-reqs of a RDH program to the pre-reqs of a PA program. all those schools websites are lying. i never said the pre-reqs weren't difficult, HOWEVER, i did say that that the gpa's would not be as high had physics and o-chem been included in the pre-reqs. i understand the comittment it takes to get a degree. I though my degree (Exercise Science - Sport Science / Physiology concentration) would be easy. turned to be not so. but it's fun. I would concede though that a biology or engineering major has tougher requirements then what i am required to take though.

 

[JMJRDH1]

This is a great thread indeed! 👍