Dental Residency vs. Medical Residency

[korndoctor]

Why do we have to pay expensive fees (tuition/etc) for dental residencies while med students get paid (low though) in their residencies?

how do students pay for dental residencies after taking out so many loans for undergraduate and dental school?

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[Mustt Mustt]

Why do we have to pay expensive fees (tuition/etc) for dental residencies while med students get paid (low though) in their residencies?

how do students pay for dental residencies after taking out so many loans for undergraduate and dental school?

I believe they take out more loans.

 

[Yah-E]

Why do we have to pay expensive fees (tuition/etc) for dental residencies while med students get paid (low though) in their residencies?

Medical residencies (residents' salaries/stipend) are funded by Graduate Medical Education (GME) fundings due to affliation with hospital training while dental residencies are all dental school affliated training (except for Pedo, GPR, and OMFS are hospital affliated). Dental post-doctoral trainings that are always funded are:

AEGD (you pay tuition also here)
GPR
OMFS (you pay medical school tuition here if it's a M.D. integrated program)
Pedo

Some Prostho, Ortho, and Perio do offer minor stipends during residency training, but this is because that particular program has a lot of alumni funding to pay their future resident graduates. These programs are often competitive to get into and counts for less than 10% of the total number programs out there.

I'll give you another example, often when medical student go on interviews for a residency program, the program pays for their interview travel, room and board. Dental specialty interviews, you would be lucky if you get free food!

 

[north2southOMFS]

First of all, glad to see you took your ugly face off of your avatar yah-e.

Second of all, your absolutely right.

I personally believe its very shady to make any resident of any kind pay for their residency, but unfortunately since most dental schools are still stuck in their "old school" mentality, they won't change it.

 

[DcS]

There is 1 program I know of that pays for your flight, hotel in a posh place in chapel hill, food, etc. UNC Pedo. They only interviewed 14 this year so that's probably why but they take care of the whole deal.

Also, just to clarify..not ALL pedo programs pay. Some (maryland, a few boston programs) make you pay tuition.

Regarding n2s's comment, the lack of resident funding at dental schools is due to the bottom line and the need to cut costs, since nearly every dental school loses money. Is that such an "old school" concept? I'm still pretty sure any business in the world would abide by it.

 

[UNLV OMS GUNNABE]

First of all, glad to see you took your ugly face off of your avatar yah-e.

We're still waiting for you to do the same

 

[bkwash]

We're still waiting for you to do the same

 

[Yah-E]

First of all, glad to see you took your ugly face off of your avatar yah-e.

Was my beautiful face ever on my old Avatar? It was a Minnesota Gopher football helmet!

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

I agree

 

[mtheman]

First of all, glad to see you took your ugly face off of your avatar yah-e.

Second of all, your absolutely right.

I personally believe its very shady to make any resident of any kind pay for their residency, but unfortunately since most dental schools are still stuck in their "old school" mentality, they won't change it.

But then omfscardsfan put you and him after sex with each other as his avatar.

 

[esclavo]

I personally liked Yah-e's old avatar. A Minnesota football helmet is a very humble avatar- solid but not exceptional-much like Minnesota football. Cards fan's avatar is very disturbing... it is painful...kind of like watching a constipated dog try to take a dump at the park.... kind of like watching an intern take out teeth.... it just kind of hurts...makes you feel very uncomfortable

 

[Periogod]

I agree

Nice avatar *******. Did you leave your computer on or something.

 

[mtheman]

I personally liked Yah-e's old avatar. A Minnesota football helmet is a very humble avatar- solid but not exceptional-much like Minnesota football. Cards fan's avatar is very disturbing... it is painful...kind of like watching a constipated dog try to take a dump at the park.... kind of like watching an intern take out teeth.... it just kind of hurts...makes you feel very uncomfortable

 

[ItsGavinC]

The old stand-by comments are always good, but does anybody care to get this back on topic?

 

[uncfinley]

There is 1 program I know of that pays for your flight, hotel in a posh place in chapel hill, food, etc. UNC Pedo. They only interviewed 14 this year so that's probably why but they take care of the whole deal.

Also, just to clarify..not ALL pedo programs pay. Some (maryland, a few boston programs) make you pay tuition.

Regarding n2s's comment, the lack of resident funding at dental schools is due to the bottom line and the need to cut costs, since nearly every dental school loses money. Is that such an "old school" concept? I'm still pretty sure any business in the world would abide by it.

UNC pedo has a large grant that covers alot of their expenses, but all UNC grad programs have now lost tuition remittion starting this semester by the new Dean whom just started last semester. Existing grad students got hit with approx 450 - 700 dollar fee for the spring semester based upon year within the program, some depts are going to reimburse their grad students, some are not, starting with the new classes they will be responsible for full tuition. All students interviewing were supposed to be made aware of this during their interview. The scuttlebut through the grapevine, is that the orthodontic match fiasco, was really related to whether all the interviewes were adequately informed which led to a limited match list being summitted as per the higher ups

 

[esclavo]

Why do we have to pay expensive fees (tuition/etc) for dental residencies while med students get paid (low though) in their residencies?

how do students pay for dental residencies after taking out so many loans for undergraduate and dental school?

I know that OMFS (and I would imagine Pedo) would have strong arguements in their residencies to pay their residents well due to pure dollars and cents. When I was at Minnesota, I saw the OMFS program director argue in behalf of his residents getting paid so much (37-44 grand per year) because he could show how much money they made the school/hospital. I know OMFs residents cover their salaray a couple times over....even at reduced fees that are charged for their services....I can't see Pedo being too different. Especially the certificated programs where you don't spend much time doing research or what research you do is done outside the 60-80 hours a week treating patients...

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

...outside the 60-80 hours a week treating patients...

60-80...funny...

 

[ItsGavinC]

I know that OMFS (and I would imagine Pedo) would have strong arguements in their residencies to pay their residents well due to pure dollars and cents. When I was at Minnesota, I saw the OMFS program director argue in behalf of his residents getting paid so much (37-44 grand per year) because he could show how much money they made the school/hospital. I know OMFs residents cover their salaray a couple times over....even at reduced fees that are charged for their services....I can't see Pedo being too different. Especially the certificated programs where you don't spend much time doing research or what research you do is done outside the 60-80 hours a week treating patients...

I'd buy this argument, but we all know that logic is often not on the minds of the powers that be.

 

[toofache32]

I... but we all know that logic is often not on the minds of the powers that be.

...and thus dental school was born.

 

[rarm1]

The answer was mention before - GME funding.
ALL hospital based residency programs allow the hospital to get paid by the feds based on # of medicare patients/beds/etc. So pediatric hospitals will get less. Most hospitals have CAPS on the # of residents they will be funded for. But Dentistry is exempted from that cap as of now.

One time the feds allowed some new programs located in the communitry to be funded by GME. This was stetched and many Universities (dental) had there postgraduate programs funded and therefore the residents got paid. The Feds cut back and many schools lost there funding and had to cut back as at UNC.

If we went solely on fees collected.. no one would be paid,

So while
"Medical residencies (residents' salaries/stipend) are funded by Graduate Medical Education (GME) fundings {CAPS ARE PLACED due to affliation with hospital training while dental residencies are all dental school affliated training (except for Pedo, GPR, and OMFS are hospital affliated). Dental post-doctoral trainings that are always funded are:

AEGD (you pay tuition also here)
GPR
OMFS (you pay medical school tuition here if it's a M.D. integrated program)
Pedo (if hospital based }"

 

[esclavo]

If we went solely on fees collected.. no one would be paid,

Not true. Between the hospital and the clinic, my salary ($48,XXX), insurance package ($525/month), cafeteria allowance (which is alot larger than intuition would lead you to believe- I'm a hungry, growing boy) were collected almost 3 times over. Much of our work as residents is written off as "pro-bono" by the hospital but we actually collect bills and make people pay when possible. I work at a private hospital/clinic in a respectable community where people actually pay for stuff and residents are expected to work, look, and act like real doctors....probably different from most residencies....

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

I work at a private hospital/clinic in a respectable community where people actually pay for stuff and residents are expected to work, look, and act like real doctors....probably different from most residencies....

How could this possibly be true? 😉

 

[north2southOMFS]

Becase the town he lives in is names after an alcoholic beverage.

 

[esclavo]

How could this possibly be true? 😉

Our hospital was put on a "liberal watch dog's list" because it actually made people pay for their bills. Physicians love it because it means that they actually have an organization that doesn't wilt to the pressure on modern medicine to give itself away for nothing....you get a service, you gotta pay.

OMFS residents at my hospital cannot look discheveled, have to wear shirts and ties when working in the clinic, be cleanly shaven. All those sorts of things when you would be working on other doctors, college professors, or their families....

 

[duh?]

Our hospital was put on a "liberal watch dog's list" because it actually made people pay for their bills. Physicians love it because it means that they actually have an organization that doesn't wilt to the pressure on modern medicine to give itself away for nothing....you get a service, you gotta pay.

OMFS residents at my hospital cannot look discheveled, have to wear shirts and ties when working in the clinic, be cleanly shaven. All those sorts of things when you would be working on other doctors, college professors, or their families....

Y'all must look so cute.

 

[esclavo]

Y'all must look so cute.

Have you ever seen a monkey with a haircut and a tie on.... imagine making Yoda cut his ear hairs and put on a shirt and tie... there, now you can imagine us.

 

[adamlc18]

No scrubs in the out patient clinic for you guys?

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

OMFS residents at my hospital cannot look discheveled, have to wear shirts and ties when working in the clinic, be cleanly shaven. All those sorts of things when you would be working on other doctors, college professors, or their families....

I was commenting about the "act" part of the statement. I just can't quite picture you on your donkey acting like a real doctor. Especially since he's always interrupting...

 

[toofache32]

Becase the town he lives in is names after an alcoholic beverage.

He lives in Mad Dog?

 

[duh?]

Have you ever seen a monkey with a haircut and a tie on.... imagine making Yoda cut his ear hairs and put on a shirt and tie... there, now you can imagine us.

LOL!

 

[Doggie]

OMFS residents at my hospital cannot look discheveled, have to wear shirts and ties when working in the clinic, be cleanly shaven.

Where can i get a donkey and a poncho like yours to give to my chief resident? I bet it would be a swell wedding present for him.