Dentistry vs Pharmacy

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Dentistry vs Pharmacy

  • Dentistry

    Votes: 14 77.8%
  • Pharmacy

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .

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Hello everyone!

As you can see from the title I am trying to decide between applying to pharmacy school or dental school.
I would like to know what the job market is like for these 2 professions.

Which is the better job right now? which is harder to get into?

Can any current students give me advice on why or why not to choose each career?

Thank you!

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I specifically would like to know about

1) Job Stress
2) Salary
3) Respect from the public
4) Difficulty of admission
5) Difficulty of schooling
6) The future of both fields

I have't volunteered with either options yet!
 
If you haven't posted this in the pre-dental section, I would also do that. Most people around here don't know much about DMD struggles. I'd personally pick pharmacy but that's a function of my own desires. Some things:

Pharmacy:
1. Easier to get into
2. ~70% work in retail, a primarily transactional field. Talk to lots of people daily for short periods of time. Can work for 12hr stretches, and work 2 weekends per month.
3. Higher emphasis on pharmacology in education; very little anatomy
4. PharmD has greater breadth of applicability (which is why I'd pick pharmacy)
5. Very little to no operative work
6. Probably less stress overall from job responsibilities.

Dentistry:
1. Higher wage
2. Higher loans and range of debt: can be as high as 500k+ or <100k
3. Almost all make their living from operating on mouth and teeth
4. Less emphasis on pharmacology
5. More respect as a degree than pharmacy. You'll hear 'don't you just count pills' every now and then. May as well shoot MD if this is an issue for you though.
6. You should own your own practice to really 'make it.' Salary can be much higher than pharmacy but has the added responsibility of owning a business. Corporate dentistry = 1 weekend a month or something.

Both are relatively difficult educationally and are suffering from an increasingly competitive job market. Most in both work 40hr weeks and don't bring it home.
 
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I specifically would like to know about

1) Job Stress
2) Salary
3) Respect from the public
4) Difficulty of admission
5) Difficulty of schooling
6) The future of both fields

I have't volunteered with either options yet!
I feel that it's harder to get into dentistry school, but what I would really suggest you do is go into the forums and do a few searches on the two fields. There is plenty of information about these two careers in SDN that can help you make this decision, the reason why I tell you this is because there are plenty of ppl here that know a fair amount of information but they will probably won't reiterate everything that's already been posted. GL & although I wasn't able to help narrow down your decision, I hope it gives you a little guidance into research 🙂
 
I specifically would like to know about

1) Job Stress
2) Salary
3) Respect from the public
4) Difficulty of admission
5) Difficulty of schooling
6) The future of both fields

I have't volunteered with either options yet!

1) Job Stress

Dentistry > Pharmacy
Dentist definitely have more stress as they have to do surgery in a small space and will develop back problems. However since the vast majority of dentists own private practice, they set their own hours and can work 2 days or week or 7 days a week, it all depends on how much you want to make.

2) Salary

Dentistry > Pharmacy
pharmacists make 120K annually, an average general dentist makes 160K...... dental specialists (orthodontists, endodontists, oral surgeons) make 200K +
dentists also have a much higher upward mobility as their success depends on their people skills and how many patients they can get

3) Respect

Dentistry > Pharmacy
dentists are called "Dr. so and so" within their dental office, however outside of their office they refer to themselves as dentists
pharmacists are only called doctors when they graduate pharmacy school, and maybe by volunteers in the pharmacy clinic at which they work.
from my experience, the majority of the public view pharmacists as a glorified cashier.

4) Admission

Dentistry >>>>>> Pharmacy
there is no comparison here, getting into dental school is equivalent to getting into medical school
the average admitted dental student has around a 3.6 GPA, the average for pharmacy is 3.3
there are over 100 pharmacy schools (and counting) and only around 50 dental schools. Less schools = more competitive.
I would go as far as saying that the low tier dental schools are more competitive than UCSF pharmacy.

5) Schooling

Dentistry > Pharmacy
dental students take their 1st 2 years with medical students and spend their last 2 years in the clinic. Moreover, dental students also need to take dental lab at the same time as their classes.
Dentists needs amazing hand-eye coordination and manual dexterity because they provide a service, pharmacy school is more memorization and math.

6) Future

Dentistry >>>>>>>>>> Pharmacy
dentistry is arguably the best healthcare profession right now. pharmacy is a dying career and extremely saturated.
the only negative side to dentistry is the cost of attendance (300K +), however you get what you pay for.
 
1) Job Stress

Dentistry > Pharmacy
Dentist definitely have more stress as they have to do surgery in a small space and will develop back problems. However since the vast majority of dentists own private practice, they set their own hours and can work 2 days or week or 7 days a week, it all depends on how much you want to make.

2) Salary

Dentistry > Pharmacy
pharmacists make 120K annually, an average general dentist makes 160K...... dental specialists (orthodontists, endodontists, oral surgeons) make 200K +
dentists also have a much higher upward mobility as their success depends on their people skills and how many patients they can get

3) Respect

Dentistry > Pharmacy
dentists are called "Dr. so and so" within their dental office, however outside of their office they refer to themselves as dentists
pharmacists are only called doctors when they graduate pharmacy school, and maybe by volunteers in the pharmacy clinic at which they work.
from my experience, the majority of the public view pharmacists as a glorified cashier.

4) Admission

Dentistry >>>>>> Pharmacy
there is no comparison here, getting into dental school is equivalent to getting into medical school
the average admitted dental student has around a 3.6 GPA, the average for pharmacy is 3.3
there are over 100 pharmacy schools (and counting) and only around 50 dental schools. Less schools = more competitive.
I would go as far as saying that the low tier dental schools are more competitive than UCSF pharmacy.

5) Schooling

Dentistry > Pharmacy
dental students take their 1st 2 years with medical students and spend their last 2 years in the clinic. Moreover, dental students also need to take dental lab at the same time as their classes.
Dentists needs amazing hand-eye coordination and manual dexterity because they provide a service, pharmacy school is more memorization and math.

6) Future

Dentistry >>>>>>>>>> Pharmacy
dentistry is arguably the best healthcare profession right now. pharmacy is a dying career and extremely saturated.
the only negative side to dentistry is the cost of attendance (300K +), however you get what you pay for.

If you think pharmacists don't have as much stress (if not more) then you should work a week in a retail pharmacy. Dentist do get paid more, but a lot of them own their own business and establishment, and success depends a lot on location. I do agree on the respect factor. Dentist do get more respect and "doctor" acknowledgement. It's not fair, but that's how it is. By far dental school is harder to get into and have stricter requirements and also there aren't much dental schools out there compared to pharmacy schools. Schooling is where I STRONGLY disagree. Dental students do have a more rigorous program, but that's also because they are taking more classes at one time. Are you currently a dental student? Because this semester we took classes with dental and PA students. Yes, pharmacy, dental, and PA students took some classes together. Memorization really? Unless you have stepped into a pharmacy program you have no idea and are just feeding off what you have "heard". There is no way you can pass based only on memorization because tests (at my school) are not designed/asked in that manner. They ask in a way you have to understand the material and it's done like that on purpose. We have dental students talking about how difficult the test were all the time. Job outlook depends on where you plan on living. I literally had a dental students tell me about the job outlook on dentistry and having your own business and so much other stuff. I don't know where you get some of your information, but no offense it's not very accurate, unless its an opinion.
 
If you think pharmacists don't have as much stress (if not more) then you should work a week in a retail pharmacy. Dentist do get paid more, but a lot of them own their own business and establishment, and success depends a lot on location. I do agree on the respect factor. Dentist do get more respect and "doctor" acknowledgement. It's not fair, but that's how it is. By far dental school is harder to get into and have stricter requirements and also there aren't much dental schools out there compared to pharmacy schools. Schooling is where I STRONGLY disagree. Dental students do have a more rigorous program, but that's also because they are taking more classes at one time. Are you currently a dental student? Because this semester we took classes with dental and PA students. Yes, pharmacy, dental, and PA students took some classes together. Memorization really? Unless you have stepped into a pharmacy program you have no idea and are just feeding off what you have "heard". There is no way you can pass based only on memorization because tests (at my school) are not designed/asked in that manner. They ask in a way you have to understand the material and it's done like that on purpose. We have dental students talking about how difficult the test were all the time. Job outlook depends on where you plan on living. I literally had a dental students tell me about the job outlook on dentistry and having your own business and so much other stuff. I don't know where you get some of your information, but no offense it's not very accurate, unless its an opinion.

none taken, my information is my opinion. OP, do your own research about these 2 fields, I'm just letting you know what I think.

Dancemonster, it seems you disagree with 3 of my above notes.

1) Stress Level

Pharmacy > Dentistry
I take it back. I have never worked as a pharmacist and I can understand your point about pharmacy being more stressful than dentistry. This is not a positive in favor of pharmacy, however.

2) Schooling

You say you Strongly disagree with me that dental school is more difficult, yet you just said:
"Schooling is where I STRONGLY disagree. Dental students do have a more rigorous program, but that's also because they are taking more classes at one time"

I guess what you are trying to say is, although dental school is harder... pharmacy is not easy by any means. And I agree with that.
but as you said Dentistry > Pharmacy in terms of rigor of curriculum, and that was my point. Again I am not a pharm student, all I know is dental school is more difficult.

3) Future

Although dentistry isn't what it used to be, it is universally accepted (at least on SDN) that dentistry has a far brighter future than pharmacy, just look at the prepharmacy forum and compare it to the predental forum. Comparing these two fields is like night and day.
 
I feel that it's harder to get into dentistry school, but what I would really suggest you do is go into the forums and do a few searches on the two fields. There is plenty of information about these two careers in SDN that can help you make this decision, the reason why I tell you this is because there are plenty of ppl here that know a fair amount of information but they will probably won't reiterate everything that's already been posted. GL & although I wasn't able to help narrow down your decision, I hope it gives you a little guidance into research 🙂

Thank you! I will look up more information on this site! 🙂
 
none taken, my information is my opinion. OP, do your own research about these 2 fields, I'm just letting you know what I think.

Dancemonster, it seems you disagree with 3 of my above notes.

1) Stress Level

Pharmacy > Dentistry
I take it back. I have never worked as a pharmacist and I can understand your point about pharmacy being more stressful than dentistry. This is not a positive in favor of pharmacy, however.

2) Schooling

You say you Strongly disagree with me that dental school is more difficult, yet you just said:
"Schooling is where I STRONGLY disagree. Dental students do have a more rigorous program, but that's also because they are taking more classes at one time"

I guess what you are trying to say is, although dental school is harder... pharmacy is not easy by any means. And I agree with that.
but as you said Dentistry > Pharmacy in terms of rigor of curriculum, and that was my point. Again I am not a pharm student, all I know is dental school is more difficult.

3) Future

Although dentistry isn't what it used to be, it is universally accepted (at least on SDN) that dentistry has a far brighter future than pharmacy, just look at the prepharmacy forum and compare it to the predental forum. Comparing these two fields is like night and day.

Completely understand your views. The last thing I want to say is try to branch out from 'forums'. Forums should not have a deciding factor or a complete influence in how you view certain careers (even a career you may be wanting to go to school for). Go out and experience it for yourself, or talk to those face to face who are currently going through it or have gone through it. It's a total different ball game than what is said on these forums, which is why I barely go on here anymore. Wish nothing but the best for you in your future career and life goals.
 
Here's the best advice.......both careers have a 6 figure salary both have over 200k jobs in the usa Both are solid jobs....so go out and shadow and determine for yourself......everything else on here is opinionated by others go out and seek shadow experience and decide yourself. You will be fine with either in your life time.
 
thank you everyone for your advice! this was very helpful!

I am leaning towards dentistry for now! 🙂
 
Completely understand your views. The last thing I want to say is try to branch out from 'forums'. Forums should not have a deciding factor or a complete influence in how you view certain careers (even a career you may be wanting to go to school for). Go out and experience it for yourself, or talk to those face to face who are currently going through it or have gone through it. It's a total different ball game than what is said on these forums, which is why I barely go on here anymore. Wish nothing but the best for you in your future career and life goals.

Thank you, I wish you the best as well
 
They way you are going about deciding which career to pursue is absolutely the wrong way to do it.

Shadow, choose the career where you will be happy doing the work most days for the rest of your life. Why have you already eliminated all other careers outside of dentistry and pharmacy?
 
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They way you are going about deciding which career to pursue is absolutely the wrong way to do it.

Shadow, choose the career where you will be happy doing the work most days for the rest of your life. Why have you already eliminated all other careers outside of dentistry and pharmacy?

I do not want to be put in life or death situations that is why I prefer not going to medical school, nursing, PA!

I also want to choose a career that has a good future! and from these answers it looks like dentistry is in a completely higher level than pharmacy
I will definitely shadow dentists now! I feel very inspired! and if I don't like it I'll look into other careers too 🙂
 
I do not want to be put in life or death situations that is why I prefer not going to medical school, nursing, PA!

I also want to choose a career that has a good future! and from these answers it looks like dentistry is in a completely higher level than pharmacy
I will definitely shadow dentists now! I feel very inspired! and if I don't like it I'll look into other careers too 🙂
Many PA specialties will allow you to never be in life or death situations either. Surgical (always with the doc in those cases) and derm come immediately to mind. PA probably has the brightest future of all the careers you've discussed.
Theres also PT, podiatry, and even some medical specialties where you will never have to deal with life or death situations.
 
Many PA specialties will allow you to never be in life or death situations either. Surgical (always with the doc in those cases) and derm come immediately to mind. PA probably has the brightest future of all the careers you've discussed.
Theres also PT, podiatry, and even some medical specialties where you will never have to deal with life or death situations.

I may take that into consideration! thank you!
 
Dentistry is way better than pharmacy today. More autonomy, more money, more flexibility and of course, more respect. People call you Dr..So and So...you are your own boss. If someday you wanna take off...just have some dentist cover for your office.

Hello UGAZ

I saw your previous post and I understand that you are a working Pharmacist.
I have another question, I know now that pharmacy schools are ranked, but dental schools are not ranked.

If I am able to get admitted to one of the best ranked pharmacy schools, would this have a significant impact on my job prospects in the future?
or would there be little to no difference?

I am almost 100% going to start pursuing dentistry or other health fields at this point but I want to cover all my bases.

Thank you! 🙂
 
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Hello UGAZ

I saw your previous post and I understand that you are a working Pharmacist.
I have another question, I know now that pharmacy schools are ranked, but dental schools are not ranked.

If I am able to get admitted to one of the best ranked pharmacy schools, would this have a significant impact on my job prospects in the future?
or would there be little to no difference?

I am almost 100% going to start pursuing dentistry or other health fields at this point but I want to cover all my bases.

Thank you! 🙂
Ranking only helps you when you do residency because it looks better on resume. But when it comes to job market, it doesn't really matter.
 
Ranking only helps you when you do residency because it looks better on resume. But when it comes to job market, it doesn't really matter.

I had no idea thaat the future was this bad........ thank you for your answer 🙂
 
I guess I can answer the dentistry part more specifically. These are specific to big cities in Texas (Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio). Also, I will only speak of general dentistry, not specialization such as orthodontics, endo, oral surgery, pedo, etc. These specialties provide increased salary, more stress, more respect, additional 2-6 years of residency, and provide more job security.

1) Job Stress - biggest stress comes from owning your own practice. First 10 years are pretty terrible in terms of hours, however, once you have built your practice you are golden. My dentist, who is also my mentor, worked 7 days/week, ~70-80 hours when he first started. Now, at the age of 65, he is open 3 1/2 days/week.
You could also go corporate and just be a worker bee, but nobody is in corporate for very long because there is little room for advancement and there are some ethical issues (or so I hear).

2) Salary - depends.
First 5 years - If you go corporate, here you are looking at ~100k avg and maybe 80k low. Associates pay a little better (110k), however, you need to be really good (most likely need post-doc training like AEGD/GPR).
If you start your own practice you're most likely in the negative for first couple years. A dentist I shadowed was a fresh graduate and was open 3 days a week and then work as an associate/corporate for the other 4 days to pay the bills and just stay alive. After you get your practice going, your only limit depends on how good you are not only at dentistry but also in business.

3) Respect from the public
Pretty well respected from what I've seen. We are primary care so we are seen as primary care providers.

4) Difficulty of admission
If you want to go to an expensive private school, 3.5 and a 20 DAT (90th %tile) is good enough assuming you have decent extracurricular. 400k+ debt however.
In state, for Texas, if you want a competitive shot you need at least a 3.6 and a 21 DAT (95th %tile). ~200k-250k debt.
GPA 3.8 and 23+ DAT (98th %tile) will get you a chance at the top dental schools.

5) Difficulty of schooling
depends. If you want to specialize, you're going to have to be ranked very high (top 10 in your class). I can tell you from experience (my roommate is a current pharmacy student), dental school is much more difficult. He goes to a top 10 pharm school. Dental students have it way harder. We are in class from 8-5 everyday. More specific breakdown: lecture from 8-12, clinic from 1-5.

6) The future of both fields
pay may lower (if saturation continues), but there will always be jobs. If you want to live in the city, take a lower pay. If you are okay living in the suburbs, there is ample opportunity. Live in the rural area? expect double pay.
 
I will comment on how you make your decision. Do some shadowing. You have to love teeth and the oral cavity. If you don't love it, you are going to be miserable. My stats are high enough to get into medical school and people always ask me why I chose dentistry. For me, the answer is simple: Even if I were to get an MD, I would choose to work with the oral cavity and be in primary care.
 
4) Difficulty of admission
If you want to go to an expensive private school, 3.5 and a 20 DAT (90th %tile) is good enough assuming you have decent extracurricular. 400k+ debt however.
In state, for Texas, if you want a competitive shot you need at least a 3.6 and a 21 DAT (95th %tile). ~200k-250k debt.
GPA 3.8 and 23+ DAT (98th %tile) will get you a chance at the top dental schools.

Just want to clarify, there is no such thing as a "top dental school". All dental schools are the same.

Dental schools are not ranked, and many expensive private schools have the same stats as public schools.
For example, UPenn, Case Western, Harvard, Detroit Mercy, Columbia, Creighton etc. all have incoming GPAs of 3.6 or above
And UoP is also a private university with one of the highest DAT scores out there.

Also just because its a public school doesn't mean its not expensive, UCLA, UCSF, UNLV are all over 300K.

I'm not sure how Texas school or the TMDSAS works so I can't comment on them since most out of state applicants never apply to Texas.

I agree with the rest of your post though.
 
Just want to clarify, there is no such thing as a "top dental school". All dental schools are the same.

Dental schools are not ranked, and many expensive private schools have the same stats as public schools.
For example, UPenn, Case Western, Harvard, Detroit Mercy, Columbia, Creighton etc. all have incoming GPAs of 3.6 or above
And UoP is also a private university with one of the highest DAT scores out there.

Also just because its a public school doesn't mean its not expensive, UCLA, UCSF, UNLV are all over 300K.

I'm not sure how Texas school or the TMDSAS works so I can't comment on them since most out of state applicants never apply to Texas.

I agree with the rest of your post though.


You are correct. Thank you for correcting my error. I will mention, however, that while they are not technically ranked, schools do have certain reputations within the dental community. In private practice these reputations mean little to none. My numbers were not rules, but rather general trends from specifically Texas public schools.
 
I guess I can answer the dentistry part more specifically. These are specific to big cities in Texas (Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio). Also, I will only speak of general dentistry, not specialization such as orthodontics, endo, oral surgery, pedo, etc. These specialties provide increased salary, more stress, more respect, additional 2-6 years of residency, and provide more job security.

1) Job Stress - biggest stress comes from owning your own practice. First 10 years are pretty terrible in terms of hours, however, once you have built your practice you are golden. My dentist, who is also my mentor, worked 7 days/week, ~70-80 hours when he first started. Now, at the age of 65, he is open 3 1/2 days/week.
You could also go corporate and just be a worker bee, but nobody is in corporate for very long because there is little room for advancement and there are some ethical issues (or so I hear).

2) Salary - depends.
First 5 years - If you go corporate, here you are looking at ~100k avg and maybe 80k low. Associates pay a little better (110k), however, you need to be really good (most likely need post-doc training like AEGD/GPR).
If you start your own practice you're most likely in the negative for first couple years. A dentist I shadowed was a fresh graduate and was open 3 days a week and then work as an associate/corporate for the other 4 days to pay the bills and just stay alive. After you get your practice going, your only limit depends on how good you are not only at dentistry but also in business.

3) Respect from the public
Pretty well respected from what I've seen. We are primary care so we are seen as primary care providers.

4) Difficulty of admission
If you want to go to an expensive private school, 3.5 and a 20 DAT (90th %tile) is good enough assuming you have decent extracurricular. 400k+ debt however.
In state, for Texas, if you want a competitive shot you need at least a 3.6 and a 21 DAT (95th %tile). ~200k-250k debt.
GPA 3.8 and 23+ DAT (98th %tile) will get you a chance at the top dental schools.

5) Difficulty of schooling
depends. If you want to specialize, you're going to have to be ranked very high (top 10 in your class). I can tell you from experience (my roommate is a current pharmacy student), dental school is much more difficult. He goes to a top 10 pharm school. Dental students have it way harder. We are in class from 8-5 everyday. More specific breakdown: lecture from 8-12, clinic from 1-5.

6) The future of both fields
pay may lower (if saturation continues), but there will always be jobs. If you want to live in the city, take a lower pay. If you are okay living in the suburbs, there is ample opportunity. Live in the rural area? expect double pay.


Is it difficult to start a practice? do they teach you the financial side of things during dental school on how to be a businessman ?
or do we have to figure that out after dental school?

Thank you so much for this explanation of dentistry! 🙂
 
I guess I can answer the dentistry part more specifically. These are specific to big cities in Texas (Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio). Also, I will only speak of general dentistry, not specialization such as orthodontics, endo, oral surgery, pedo, etc. These specialties provide increased salary, more stress, more respect, additional 2-6 years of residency, and provide more job security.

1) Job Stress - biggest stress comes from owning your own practice. First 10 years are pretty terrible in terms of hours, however, once you have built your practice you are golden. My dentist, who is also my mentor, worked 7 days/week, ~70-80 hours when he first started. Now, at the age of 65, he is open 3 1/2 days/week.
You could also go corporate and just be a worker bee, but nobody is in corporate for very long because there is little room for advancement and there are some ethical issues (or so I hear).

2) Salary - depends.
First 5 years - If you go corporate, here you are looking at ~100k avg and maybe 80k low. Associates pay a little better (110k), however, you need to be really good (most likely need post-doc training like AEGD/GPR).
If you start your own practice you're most likely in the negative for first couple years. A dentist I shadowed was a fresh graduate and was open 3 days a week and then work as an associate/corporate for the other 4 days to pay the bills and just stay alive. After you get your practice going, your only limit depends on how good you are not only at dentistry but also in business
.

3) Respect from the public
Pretty well respected from what I've seen. We are primary care so we are seen as primary care providers.

4) Difficulty of admission
If you want to go to an expensive private school, 3.5 and a 20 DAT (90th %tile) is good enough assuming you have decent extracurricular. 400k+ debt however.
In state, for Texas, if you want a competitive shot you need at least a 3.6 and a 21 DAT (95th %tile). ~200k-250k debt.
GPA 3.8 and 23+ DAT (98th %tile) will get you a chance at the top dental schools.

5) Difficulty of schooling
depends. If you want to specialize, you're going to have to be ranked very high (top 10 in your class). I can tell you from experience (my roommate is a current pharmacy student), dental school is much more difficult. He goes to a top 10 pharm school. Dental students have it way harder. We are in class from 8-5 everyday. More specific breakdown: lecture from 8-12, clinic from 1-5.

6) The future of both fields
pay may lower (if saturation continues), but there will always be jobs. If you want to live in the city, take a lower pay. If you are okay living in the suburbs, there is ample opportunity. Live in the rural area? expect double pay.
If a dentist is still in the $80-100k range after a year or two of practicing, they are either in the wrong practice, working part time, or have issues practicing dentistry.
 
If a dentist is still in the $80-100k range after a year or two of practicing, they are either in the wrong practice, working part time, or have issues practicing dentistry.

What do you think the average starting salary is then for new dentists? I know it depends on location, I heard for California it is 80K?
 
What do you think the average starting salary is then for new dentists? I know it depends on location, I heard for California it is 80K?
Well starting salary and 2-3 years out is usually quite different. Most dentists gain a lot of speed and confidence in a year of practicing, which if they are paid on production (all owners and vast majority of associates) goes up after the first year. I'm in the Midwest, starting around here hovers around $110-130k range guaranteed. With steady increases from there. Talked to a few grads with 2-5 years of experience, obviously their incomes are quite variable but all are making $150k+. One guy in his first year out walked into a busy practice and is on track to hit $200k his first year, definitely far from average, but it's possible if you're in the right place and right time. Again I'm in the Midwest, but I do believe this is more representative of the majority of the US (obviously not the super saturated markets in the big coastal cities).
 
Well starting salary and 2-3 years out is usually quite different. Most dentists gain a lot of speed and confidence in a year of practicing, which if they are paid on production (all owners and vast majority of associates) goes up after the first year. I'm in the Midwest, starting around here hovers around $110-130k range guaranteed. With steady increases from there. Talked to a few grads with 2-5 years of experience, obviously their incomes are quite variable but all are making $150k+. One guy in his first year out walked into a busy practice and is on track to hit $200k his first year, definitely far from average, but it's possible if you're in the right place and right time. Again I'm in the Midwest, but I do believe this is more representative of the majority of the US (obviously not the super saturated markets in the big coastal cities).

Don't pharmacists usually make 110-130K range as well? with also less debt, so isn't it better to do pharmacy? I'm not sure what starting salary is for pharmacy.
I read online that dentists make 160K+ on average so these new salary ranges are new to me.
 
Don't pharmacists usually make 110-130K range as well? with also less debt, so isn't it better to do pharmacy? I'm not sure what starting salary is for pharmacy.
I read online that dentists make 160K+ on average so these new salary ranges are new to me.
If money is your primary motivator you might want to rethink healthcare and/or your mindset. But to answer your question, pharmacy starts and plateaus around the low $100ks for their entire career (clinical pharmacists actually make less than that). Now if you own a successful practice or practices as a dentist the sky is the limit. An established dentist who owns a practice pulling in $300k (or much more) is really not that unusual. That cannot be said for pharmacists. The most money to be made in healthcare "guaranteed" are the medical surgical specialties (ortho/spine, optho, plastics, etc.). Gotta be smart enough to be top in your MD class though. But I'd urge you to find something you'd enjoy. Look into PA or even stuff outside of healthcare. The day to day job of a pharmacist and a dentist are very different. Maybe you should do some more soul searching rather than asking "which makes more money with less debt". Your life will suck no matter what you do if you hate your job.
 
Is it difficult to start a practice? do they teach you the financial side of things during dental school on how to be a businessman ?
or do we have to figure that out after dental school?

Thank you so much for this explanation of dentistry! 🙂

To answer this question, it really depends on the dental school.

Some schools integrate business courses into their curriculum, while others do not.
You just have to research those schools yourself, many programs also have a dual DDS/MBA degree programs
but this may be overkill since an MBA really isn't necessary.
Starting a practice can be difficult, but according to the ADA 92.3% of all dentists are private practice owners.

So it certainly is doable.
 
Don't pharmacists usually make 110-130K range as well? with also less debt, so isn't it better to do pharmacy? I'm not sure what starting salary is for pharmacy.
I read online that dentists make 160K+ on average so these new salary ranges are new to me.

I would definitely consider software engineering / computer programming if you're looking to maximize your take home pay. You can earn $100-140k after a few years of experience without having to take out $200k+ and $350k+ loans for pharmacy and dentistry, respectively and spend an additional 4+ years in school. You can even learn programming on your own and come out with little or no loans. The job market is also in your favor, as programmers are in very high demand right now.
 
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I would definitely consider software engineering / computer programming if you're looking to maximize your take home pay. You can earn $100-140k after a few years of experience without having to take out $200k+ and $350k+ loans for pharmacy and dentistry, respectively and spend an additional 4+ years in school. You can even learn programming on your own and come out with little or no loans. The job market is also in your favor, as programmers are in very high demand right now.

Thank you! but I want to be in healthcare because I want to have patient interaction.
Is there a high demand for dentists? I don't see how computer engineers are in a higher demand when there are way more engineers than dentists?
shouldn't computer engineering be more saturated because of this.
 
Computer engineers constantly develop and maintain/improve the software for everything in your life, from microwaves to cars to actual computers. Dentists make money when a patient comes in and sees them. And hopefully a patient with insurance.

Most computer programs require more than one engineer (a team of like 5 or more usually). Especially with startups for phone development and cloud based computing, it is unlikely you'll be out of a job or out of options any time... ever. And you can get into a competitive state school for cheap/free. I know plenty of pharmacists that wish they could be programmers now. If only there wasn't a mountain of debt to pay off.

Or if you really want to work in healthcare, look into programming for EHRs or CDSS. Companies like Epic, Meditech, Cerner are huge and will only become more involved as the US health market starts to really buckle down on meaningful use in IT.
 
Don't pharmacists usually make 110-130K range as well? with also less debt, so isn't it better to do pharmacy? I'm not sure what starting salary is for pharmacy.
I read online that dentists make 160K+ on average so these new salary ranges are new to me.

Many pharmacist would earn 110k starting if there were jobs to support the massive supply glut. All the recently graduated pharmacists I know except one had to accept a floating position which means part time work. So in reality many new pharmacists are making 60-80k a year.


1) Job Stress - Dentist has less stress because they usually own their practice and are independant
2) Salary - Dentist earn between 70 and 110k more than pharmDs
3) Respect from the public IDK
4) Difficulty of admission DAT is much harder than PCAT. Pharmacy school is very easy to get into, especially now with the 40+ new schools
5) Difficulty of schooling - Pharmacy school is easy as long as you put the time in to memorize things
6) The future of both fields - Pharmacy recently got downgraded from 16% growth to 3% growth (http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/pharmacists.htm) If you want a job chose to be a dentist, pharmacist are facing massive over supply and the clinical side of pharmacy never took off so you will not be able to get a full time job as a PharmD unless you know someone or network very well.
 
Thank you! but I want to be in healthcare because I want to have patient interaction.
Is there a high demand for dentists? I don't see how computer engineers are in a higher demand when there are way more engineers than dentists?
shouldn't computer engineering be more saturated because of this.

You will have plenty of patient interaction in retail, but it might not be the kind that you want. You'll end up dealing with insurance issues and get asked how long it takes to put pills in a bottle.

There is a shortage of software engineers because there is rapid growth in the field as software companies are hiring like crazy in the US. They have decided that outsourcing is not worth the money saved from paying lower wages. Also, the number of computer science graduates has not increased by that many during the boom because of the sheer difficulty of the courses. It is different from pharmacy because it is easier to stand out by keeping up with the latest programming languages.
 
I'm honestly contemplating of going into dentistry from pharmacy

I don't see any future for this field

What is next? No techs for the day and you have to fill 500 on your own in a 14 hour shift?
 
I'm honestly contemplating of going into dentistry from pharmacy

I don't see any future for this field

What is next? No techs for the day and you have to fill 500 on your own in a 14 hour shift?

If you have already completed pharmacy school then you must have a lot of debt already, it is not wise
to take on 400K more debt to pursue dentistry. The advice I gave was for people who are still in undergrad
and are deciding.

Moreover, dentistry is not for everybody. I cannot stress that enough so many people HATE working in the oral cavity everyday.
It is a very very very very rewarding career but this is one of those careers that you MUST LOVE it in order to survive.
Its not like pharmacy where anybody can do it, dentistry is very hands on and you need to be okay with surgery and.... saliva hahah

but if you decide to pursue it I wish you the best!
 
I specifically would like to know about

1) Job Stress
2) Salary
3) Respect from the public
4) Difficulty of admission
5) Difficulty of schooling
6) The future of both fields

I have't volunteered with either options yet!

1) Pharmacists have more stress cause they have less breaks, longer hours.
2) Dentists make a ton more money.
3) Dentists hands down.
4) Dental School by far and its not even close.
5) Dental School 100%.
6) LOL.
 
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