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Funny thing is, its also been something to think about in every single thread thats started on this exact topic (nearly every day).
The fields are not the same. The fields are not comparable. The people who attempt to equate the two to one another are utter *****s. One is medicine. One is denistry. Engineers make good money. CIA op's make good money. FBI agents make good money. Pimps can make good money.
YOU CANNOT COMPARE THE FIELDS!
First of all, let me say that I hate the mouth, I think that it is nasty, and I would never want to work there day in and day out.
Now, now... they can be compared. They are both professional degrees, both are jobs, on and on.
As far as being a *****, come talk to me when you have climbed to the top of the competetive mountain....
The real comparison is this: if you view your education as an investment, it should be thought of as such. When you compare degrees for return on investment, dentistry is a better investment than medicine currently.
Look at the competetive specialties -- dermatology, radiology, plastic surgery, etc -- these are the traditional lifestyle specialties. Dentistry should now be considered in their ranks for the prospective applicant.
The real comparison is this: if you view your education as an investment, it should be thought of as such. When you compare degrees for return on investment, dentistry is a better investment than medicine currently.
Look at the competetive specialties -- dermatology, radiology, plastic surgery, etc -- these are the traditional lifestyle specialties. Dentistry should now be considered in their ranks for the prospective applicant.
because there is no other reason to go in to dentistry other than the money.. Are there any dentists out there that don't:
a) have a dentist parent
or
b) have an application not good enough for med school
?
What would attract you to this profession... 😕
hi, this is my first time over to the pre-allo board (i was drawn to it by the title of this thread), and i was compelled to make a post after reading your ignorant post...
First, let me introduce myself: I'm a pre-dental student (was pre-med at one point) that will be entering d-school this fall. I have a 3.6 GPA and a 22 DAT score. I took the MCAT 1.5 years ago and did what some people consider well (greater than 33, less than 35)...I have 2 years of research under my belt (3 published, 1 first author), corneal surgical recovery technician, frat president, chemistry ta, and countless hours of volunteer work (in both fields).
If my point isn't clear yet, then let me spell it out for you: Yes, there are plenty of people that make the switch from med to dent for idiotic reasons (i.e. MCAT, gpa etc.)....then there are those of us that make the switch for sound reasons (i.e. personal patient interaction, quality of life, etc.). Those that switch due to GPA and/or MCAT will be very dissapointed. The average matriculant into d-school has a 3.5 GPA, not much below the average med school matriculant. Those that make the switch from med-->dent b/c of the "idiotic" reasons will be very dissapointed when they find their mailboxes filled with many thin white envelopes.
As for your question: what would attract me to this profession when daddy isn't a dentist, and it's clear i could get into many fine med schools? 1) unique patient interaction...treat patients instantly..not take this blue pill and see ya in a couple weeks! 2) passionate about beautiful smiles (i.e. cosmetic) 3) control over business practice (lack of insurance interference) 4) quality of life: 40 hr work weeks with little to no "on-call" time 5) out of school by my 26th bday (28th bday if specialist) vs. 30-35 years olds ...therefore more time for what's really important: family.
any more questions?
jb!🙂
First of all, let me say that I hate the mouth, I think that it is nasty, and I would never want to work there day in and day out.
Now, now... they can be compared. They are both professional degrees, both are jobs, on and on.
As far as being a *****, come talk to me when you have climbed to the top of the competetive mountain....
The real comparison is this: if you view your education as an investment, it should be thought of as such. When you compare degrees for return on investment, dentistry is a better investment than medicine currently.
Look at the competetive specialties -- dermatology, radiology, plastic surgery, etc -- these are the traditional lifestyle specialties. Dentistry should now be considered in their ranks for the prospective applicant.
This thread is 100% ignorant. Dental students do not want to go to Medical school. I know pre-MDs think they are amazing, but they go through the exact same prereqs and procedures as pre-DDS students. The mouth is gross to some, but so are many medical specialties like GI and the rectum. People have different interests, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think it is ignorant to think dental students are medical rejects. Dental school is very competitive to get into. I know quite a few pre-dents with 3.9+ GPAs and extensive research experience. They aren't inferior to meds, they just want to do something different. The MD degree had a mystique up until the 1980s. Once the government put their hands into healthcare, it has gone way downhill. Go ask your physician how medicine has changed over the past 20 years. I am sure they will not say it has improved. Also, please don't comment that the fields are completely different. If so, why would the Harvard School of Dental Medicine say this, "The Harvard School of Dental Medicine recognizes that oral health is an integral component of general health." I am sure you will think I am making it up, but here is the link: http://www.hsdm.harvard.edu/ASP-HTML/mission.html . It seems that there are some Wall Street Journal readers here, so what about the article posted on Jan 23 in the Personal Journal titled "Poor Oral Health Is Linked to Deadly Pancreatic Cancer." Obviously, health professionals recognize the intimate relationship between oral health and systemic health. If you want to read more, please go to the NIH and read their publications (http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/HealthInformation/DiseasesAndConditions/OralSystemicHealthConnection/). So fellow undergraduates, please respect that MD and DDS candidates are equally intelligent individuals with different interests that are intimately connected
I would actually like to apologize. Saying anybody is a ***** bc of what tey do is absolutely ridiculous and for this I am sorry. Childish etc.. of me.
I don't think plastics is a true "lifestyle" speciality. Is any surgery profession truly a 9-5 job? And radialogists can work long hours. Truth be told, the people I knew who worked fewer hours were gas docs and an IM doc who worked in a VA hospital 😱 .
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I am actually getting tired of copying and pasting the following everytime this debate pops up...
Pros about being a physician:
- More prestige.
- More specialties to choose from.
Pros about being a dentist:
- Very nice lifestyle (9-5, 4-5 days a week).
- Less schooling.
- Easier to get into dental school (usually).
- Easier to be in private practice.
- Less malpractice issues.
- Very little (if any) BS from insurance.
- You get to work with cool gadgets all the time (if you are into this sort of thing).[/list]
Pros about both professions:
- You will make more than enough money to live comfortably.
- You will be regarded as a 'doctor', and a professional.
- You will have no problem finding work.
- You will be helping people on a daily basis.
If any of you guys are still interested in this topic (sigh):
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=354143
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=358136
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=350942
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=360631
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=363040
You may want to do a search before posting an article. This is a relatively old article that has been posted on both med and dental forums ad nausem.
As for me, I was aware that dental students have been saying they work nice hours etc as practitioners although I decided I was just not interested enough in dentistry to look into it further. However, I think if one wants to have a lifestyle speciality, one can do so with certain noncompetitive specialities such as psych, PMR, path etc. Doctors on average may work long hours, but I think there's enough variety and enough differences between different specialties that you can pick a profession that will allow you to work less. Hence, I choose medicine in part for the varying degrees of work styles you can have, and I didn't have to be pigenholed into one profession as a result (unlike dentistry where you will most certainly be focusing on the oral region). But that's just me.
I do believe that not enough people look at other career fields when choosing to do health care. I know of two people whom I consider to be more 'dental' people than medicine but both choose medicine because it never occured them to do dental. I consider myself fairly well informed in that I was aware of the perks of the other health professions but choose medicine for the reasons described above.
I highlighted the ones that should be taken out of your post as there are many fields of medicine where you can also have that.
hi, this is my first time over to the pre-allo board (i was drawn to it by the title of this thread), and i was compelled to make a post after reading your ignorant post...
First, let me introduce myself: I'm a pre-dental student (was pre-med at one point) that will be entering d-school this fall. I have a 3.6 GPA and a 22 DAT score. I took the MCAT 1.5 years ago and did what some people consider well (greater than 33, less than 35)...I have 2 years of research under my belt (3 published, 1 first author), corneal surgical recovery technician, frat president, chemistry ta, and countless hours of volunteer work (in both fields).
If my point isn't clear yet, then let me spell it out for you: Yes, there are plenty of people that make the switch from med to dent for idiotic reasons (i.e. MCAT, gpa etc.)....then there are those of us that make the switch for sound reasons (i.e. personal patient interaction, quality of life, etc.). Those that switch due to GPA and/or MCAT will be very dissapointed. The average matriculant into d-school has a 3.5 GPA, not much below the average med school matriculant. Those that make the switch from med-->dent b/c of the "idiotic" reasons will be very dissapointed when they find their mailboxes filled with many thin white envelopes.
As for your question: what would attract me to this profession when daddy isn't a dentist, and it's clear i could get into many fine med schools? 1) unique patient interaction...treat patients instantly..not take this blue pill and see ya in a couple weeks! 2) passionate about beautiful smiles (i.e. cosmetic) 3) control over business practice (lack of insurance interference) 4) quality of life: 40 hr work weeks with little to no "on-call" time 5) out of school by my 26th bday (28th bday if specialist) vs. 30-35 years olds ...therefore more time for what's really important: family.
any more questions?
jb!🙂
ps- the intent of this post was not to put down medicine in any way whatsoever. we have a lot of respect for you all; it would be nice to get the same in return.
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you guys have really sweet profile sites... mdapplicants needs to spice things up with some of those colors 👍 😀
The real comparison is this: if you view your education as an investment, it should be thought of as such. When you compare degrees for return on investment, dentistry is a better investment than medicine currently.
Is this not hilarious to others out there? You think this topic has been debated "ad nausem," yet you still feel the need to write two paragraphs about it?![]()
..please, is it possible to discuss anything without some ass getting on here pointing out that there are previous threads discussing similar material?
What you said is true to some extend; however:
- The specialties with the lifestyles similar to dentists are the most competitive, and are in no way guaranteed.
- The current trend is making it harder to operate a solo practice (and sometimes a group practice) as a physician.
- Besides surgeons, dermatologists and maybe radiologists (all very competitive specialties), most doctors use their heads more than they use their hands, at least when it comes to operating high-tech equipment.
The vast majority of dentists, however, work in private (and group) practices, work 3-5 days a week (usually under 40 hours a week), and use their dental gadgets on a daily basis.
Please understand that I'm being general here; there are always exceptions.
Agreed, this topic has been discussed ad nauseum. And we're not even comparing apples to apples here. These are related yet very different professions. Why can't people just choose a side and be happy. Who cares what the other person does?
Oh yes, and my father is a dentist, so be nice.
i'm sure he'll be happy to finally have a "real" doctor in the family...i keed, i keed
i'm sure he'll be happy to finally have a "real" doctor in the family...i keed, i keed
My dad wants you to know that he hates you. Also, he'd like to point out how he has a doctoral degree, and you don't.
(I keed, I keed...kind of 😛 )
My dad wants you to know that he hates you. Also, he'd like to point out how he has a doctoral degree, and you don't.
(I keed, I keed...kind of 😛 )