i took the dat, my friends took the dat and the BIO section of the destroyer is nothing like the actual test. Don't let anybody fooool you...the OCHEM and GCHEM is aight but the math and bio section sucks...this website has become a marketing tool for some people to sell their cheeezzzy products to desperate students...how sad...Anybody that misleads the public could be procecuted and put in jail...trust your judgement and not some cheap salesman...
Destroyer SUCKS!!!!!!
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The destroyer is not some magic bullet that you can jump on and you will get a good score. If you breeze through it you won't see any benefit. If you really analyze each question and understand the major topics covered it can get you about a 20. You have to have a strong foundation. Same goes with the math if you go through it and don't really understand it then it doesn't do you any good.
The destroyer is not supposed to be exact questions on the dat it is supposed to be a challenging compilation of questions with explanations that facilitate learning.
The destroyer is not supposed to be exact questions on the dat it is supposed to be a challenging compilation of questions with explanations that facilitate learning.
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No pun intended, but I believe you're the same dude that advocates Kaplan and swears by it, no? I remember some of your posts from a few months back, when everyone first heard the DAT got harder, you told everyone all they needed to do was go over the Kaplan book and we would we set right? Well guess what, and I'm sure many others can attest to this, Kaplan ALONE, unless one's a true genius, is the reason many of us are back in the DAT bootcamp for the second & even third time (yeah, the latter applies to me). Kaplan is great as a supplement, but its not enough, its much more effective in my honest opinion to use multiple sources. No prep material is perfect, in the end, it all boils down to knowing your content. The prep stuff just bridges the gap between what we already know.
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Look, we are all different. Maybe the Destroyer sucked FOR YOU but I know it helped me a ton and as far as I know I used it the way that it was intended to. As far as KAPLAN is concerned, I loved KAPLAN too...even though it may have also "sucked", according to you, to other people. I also thought Barons, and TopScore also helped a bunch. This is all great, but not really the point. We all are different and need (sometime to our own ignorance) to study some materials more than others. Yes, the Destroyer may suck to you and many others but I know it has been useful (every section of it) to many individuals. Can you not see how the book can be beneficial to others beside yourself?- Joined
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Just make sure you don't memorize the questions and answers for bio, and know the actual information behind it. On the real DAT there are no questions in destroyer like "which one is false" (at least I didn't get any) but in destroyer the answers in those questions show highly tested topics for you to study.
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Destroyer sucks ....no dude u suck. why dont u post your scores and tell how u studied and we will all see that the destoyer was not the reason u and ur friends bombed the dat. Do it I dare u and u will see that u only have yourself to blame for your score and not the destroyer. Its funny how everybody else does decent on the dat after using the destroyer except the one guy who doubted it from the jump!
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You are one crazy mo fo. Seriously. I would have bombed the DAT if it weren't for Destroyer. I thought Bio was the best section. I had 3-4 identical/nearly identical questions from Destroyer on my DAT.
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Don't tell him to post his scores because now that you have threatened him, his pride is probably hurt and he'll lie about his scores and put nothing down except ridiculously competitive scores...hehehe
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Nancy and Dr. Romano do not pay anyone to post a single word of praise on this forum. Most of the praise comes from those who have taken the initiative to use this site as appreciation for the success they have found with destroyer and to share their success stories with others. Every day you see another person on here who has another good thing to say about destroyer. That is NO COINCIDENCE. The destroyer is truly an extremely useful tool for the overwhelming majority of people who use it. Its unfortunate that you didnt find success with the destroyer but the odds are that you were not using it in the correct way. Nothing is going to give you good scores by just lightly going through it. If you really used the destroyer properly you would have found it to be an amazing tool. It seems that you're blaming your poor performance on the tools you used to study but maybe if you took some initiative and responsibility you would have had more success!!!!
Just my 2 cents...
Just my 2 cents...
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LOR is a troll.
You said you took the DAT in a previous post and said you got a very high score. Here is the link
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=400806
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Why did you retake the DAT if you already got a high score? I would really like to know why you are going out of your way to bash the destroyer and insult someone you know nothing about. That is totally uncalled for.
For starters, I am living proof that the Destroyer can work for people. Furthermore, the Destroyer Bio was what got me a 23 in that section. Where do you get off saying that the Destroyer is useless. It may not be for everyone, but there is no way I can trivialize the importance of the Destroyer when it came to my studies.
There is no further point in arguing.
You said you took the DAT in a previous post and said you got a very high score. Here is the link
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=400806
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Why did you retake the DAT if you already got a high score? I would really like to know why you are going out of your way to bash the destroyer and insult someone you know nothing about. That is totally uncalled for.
For starters, I am living proof that the Destroyer can work for people. Furthermore, the Destroyer Bio was what got me a 23 in that section. Where do you get off saying that the Destroyer is useless. It may not be for everyone, but there is no way I can trivialize the importance of the Destroyer when it came to my studies.
There is no further point in arguing.
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far and away two of the most sincere and kind people around. how you could ever think this, i dont know. but having met them multiple times, and having gotten a 99.X% AA&TS, i'd hafta say youre wrong.
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Why are we all giving this guy so much attention. We know that the destroyer is out there like any other book to help students out along with Nancy and Dr. Romano. If you bought it then great and hope you do well, and if not then I still hope you do well. I personally did buy the book and happy that I did and I know if I use it wisely then I'll do great, if i don't do well I have myself to blame and if I do well I have myself to praise. It has nothing to do with the book. It all depends on how well you used the resources at hand. The destroyer along with the other study guides are great if you make the best of it but if it is lying around who's to blame but yourself. The only reason that I
With that in mind let's stop posting because it is really absurd that we are even taking time to answer this guy. I think we proved our point. The only reason that I think we will continue to post is because we feel a sense of gratitude to the authors of the Destroyer who are helping students across the country and myself as well.
P.S. What is a person losing by buying the destroyer but a 150 bucks. The question that begs to be asked is that is it that great of a loss compared to the great potential gain?
P.P.S I really think this guy is working for Kaplan ( I wish I knew for sure)
With that in mind let's stop posting because it is really absurd that we are even taking time to answer this guy. I think we proved our point. The only reason that I think we will continue to post is because we feel a sense of gratitude to the authors of the Destroyer who are helping students across the country and myself as well.
P.S. What is a person losing by buying the destroyer but a 150 bucks. The question that begs to be asked is that is it that great of a loss compared to the great potential gain?
P.P.S I really think this guy is working for Kaplan ( I wish I knew for sure)
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By the way, when was the last time Kaplan updated anything except their FRONT COVER. This is true of all their books for all of their courses. Some teachers were allright, but most of the time, it was all about them showing off how smart they are and just reading out of a book. Heck, I could even read out of a book, so then why do they audition. The audition could be to see how much you can read from a book over a three-hour period, lol! I'm not knocking them intentionally or anything, their stuff is great as a SUPPLEMENT. Man, if I knew about the destroyer back in 2005, when I first started studying for the DAT, I would probably be in dental school now and wouldn't be on the razor's edge of striking out a third time (God forbid that happening), but I've stuck with the destroyer IN CONJUNCTION with my other materials, & its showing a lot of promise thus far, so stick with it guys, you can't go wrong, you need the destroyer in your life, enough said!
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In the students that use destroyer, its an anomaly to find someone who doesn't do well. But it happens.
In the students that use solely Kaplan, its an anomaly to find someone who does do well. But it happens.
Coincidence? Doubtful. Either way, your negativity is not helpful to anyone. Change the way you post or stop posting.
In the students that use solely Kaplan, its an anomaly to find someone who does do well. But it happens.
Coincidence? Doubtful. Either way, your negativity is not helpful to anyone. Change the way you post or stop posting.
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I have used everything out there and i didn't see any of the topscore or achiever stuff on my exams, but i don't go around making stupid threads like this! Destroyer has worked for the majority, you Kaplan Tool! 🙄
I guarantee you that if it didn't work for you, that it'll definitely come through for ur next exam because it's the only source that actively updates its material WEEKLY. Seriously, u don't even come across as sincere in ur disgruntled post... u sound like a three year old kid blaming his teacher for the grades he gets, as opposed to the fact that u might have not studied ur material hard enough. Consider giving up a couple weekends and study instead of watching Transformers at the local AMC. 😎
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It's alright if you all disagree, but please keep the comments civil and clean.
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Would you do Achiever tests without ever having read and understood Kaplan?
Obviously not, you wouldnt even begin to understand what was going on.
Same concept.
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haha. Lor isn't posting anymore.
I think maybe the silly post was posted to see everyones reaction. This is too funny.
Hey dude i thought if I buy the destroyer and put it under my pillow 😴 I'd get high scores too. If you were to say the book would be complete if their was a soft velvety cover I'd agree.For now its back to traditional studying with (you guessed it) my not so fluffy destroyer.
good luck everyone.
I think maybe the silly post was posted to see everyones reaction. This is too funny.
Hey dude i thought if I buy the destroyer and put it under my pillow 😴 I'd get high scores too. If you were to say the book would be complete if their was a soft velvety cover I'd agree.For now its back to traditional studying with (you guessed it) my not so fluffy destroyer.
good luck everyone.
haha. Lor isn't posting anymore.
I think maybe the silly post was posted to see everyones reaction. This is too funny.
Hey dude i thought if I buy the destroyer and put it under my pillow 😴 I'd get high scores too. If you were to say the book would be complete if their was a soft velvety cover I'd agree.For now its back to traditional studying with (you guessed it) my not so fluffy destroyer.
good luck everyone.
It's up to you, take it or leave it...I think Destroyer is not as good as it has been advertised for the following reasons:
1-too expensive
2-the bio section sucks
3-there are mistakes in there
4-you could buy the kaplan book on line for $20 and go over the gchem and ochm, for those of you who think gchem and ochem in destroyer covers everything
5-you don't get any response from DDS. Ramano as he advertises for it
6-BTW, he is not a doctor...he is a dentist...not a PHD
7-it's not updated
8- there is no reading comp practices
and the list goes on
I don't mind people arguing and making comments as long as they are civilized and respect the forum...I am a student like you with hopes and dreams and I get mad when I see false advertisement on this site because we all depend on eachother to succeed
You are free to discuss this issue as I am so have some respect when you make comments here
last but not least, whatch out for the salesman on this site, cuz there are a lot of them...
Best of luck to you
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He is a doctor - Doctor of dental surgery = DDS. He also has a phD in organic chemistry and he probably has an IQ that is higher than all of the sdn members combined!
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1. 150 dollars who cares .
2. The bio section has helped many countless people. (read the forums)
3. Mistakes?? Maybe one i think i read green algae is in plant when that is in kingdom protista.
4. The kaplan books are great for the basics. the destroyers gears stuff towards the dat.
5. he responds all the time and even calls.
6. who cares if he has a DDS, or Ph. D or has no doctorate at all. he is a brilliant guy whom is very helpful.
7. it is very updated. no other publisher (that i know of making test prep) is constantly making questions and updating their material as much as he is.
8. reading comp???get a mcat passage practice book or princeton review book....or really just learn how to read effectively.
your points are very weak so no the list really doesn't go on. You bring up being civilized while you personally attack someone and their work. Sorry but not very civilized. False advertisement, I don't think so...You clearly did not score well despite your best efforts and need something or someone to blame. Sorry it is you who screwed up not the test prep material. People do talk kindly about him and his work on this website but that should not be taken as sales. Personally, I actually understand organic chem better than i did in college thanks to my hard work and topics in the destroyer and i don't have a problem saying that Dr. Romano helped me (neither should any body else for the fear of it to be taken as sales).
Lastly, You talk about respect but I don't see you being very respectful. To garner respect you must give respect.
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this thread has been interesting... i've taken the dat... i have to retake due to a power-outage during my test a couple weeks ago
i used the destroyer to study and it was a great tool cuz i saw some questions that were similar and covered the topics...i was kinda shocked by the number of application questions...
if i didn't have the destroyer i would have never known about certain topics...kaplan is certainly not enough because its not so detailed...the destroyer made me spend a good while on wikipedia looking up different topics which helped me
just coming out and saying the destroyer sucks is pretty far-fetched...if you were expecting to memorize the destroyer and get 30 on the dat...that's your fault for not understanding that there is no magical book...or magical formula...afterall, does the ada write the dat off destroyer?
that's why people incorporate different study methods/programs etc....to get a comprehensive review and leave no stone un-turned
i don't think the destroyer at $150 is too expensive..its a comprehensive review...i've been in classes where the textbooks were $200 and we only needed about 10 chapters...now that's garbage...also i would rather have 1 book...than have to pull out all my old text-books...
i find it interesting that you haven't posted any scores up...
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i used the destroyer to study and it was a great tool cuz i saw some questions that were similar and covered the topics...i was kinda shocked by the number of application questions...
if i didn't have the destroyer i would have never known about certain topics...kaplan is certainly not enough because its not so detailed...the destroyer made me spend a good while on wikipedia looking up different topics which helped me
just coming out and saying the destroyer sucks is pretty far-fetched...if you were expecting to memorize the destroyer and get 30 on the dat...that's your fault for not understanding that there is no magical book...or magical formula...afterall, does the ada write the dat off destroyer?
that's why people incorporate different study methods/programs etc....to get a comprehensive review and leave no stone un-turned
i don't think the destroyer at $150 is too expensive..its a comprehensive review...i've been in classes where the textbooks were $200 and we only needed about 10 chapters...now that's garbage...also i would rather have 1 book...than have to pull out all my old text-books...
i find it interesting that you haven't posted any scores up...
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Buddy, by the very fact that you are requesting a civilized response and the respect of the forum I might remind you to look at your recent post in a different thread, for which you were repremanded by one of the modulators for your crass language, shows that you are a big joke. Im not sure if you realized it, but we can all check your previous posts. Like the one claiming that you had friends with a 4.0 GPA and 23 on their DATs that didnt get into dental school. Or how bout the one about how you took off from school for 12 years took the kaplan class and did great on the dat...but what was the moral of that story? o right i forgot- it was dont buy the destroyer...not sure how your premise led to your conclusion but I guess that does not matter so long as you got your point across. Not sure what kind of a clown you are but your push for people to not buy the destroyer and to buy kaplan seems to be more of the cheap salesmenship that you were supposed to be trying to get rid of on this board. Quit while you still have some face left b4 you become the laughing stock of the board
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The Destroyer is a sophisticated tool for sophisticated students. It was written for the student with a decent background. If our friend lor's level of understanding met these requirements, please explain how he lacked the foresight to realize that with a post headline like the one he selected he achieved the opposite of his goal. He tried to make Destroyer look bad and somehow ended up creating a string of posts that praise the book in a way this forum has never seen. Clearly the problem is not that the book wasn't good enough for you, you weren't good enough for the book.
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I don't post much on sdn, but I thought this would be a good time to say something that's been on my mind. I took the DAT about a month ago and got a 21AA and 21TS. I didn't use destroyer, just kaplan and topscore. I'm sure destroyer is a great resource, but I get really tired of hearing about it. It seems that there are those of you that speak of the destroyer and "Doctor Romano" as if they were your personal savior - you get really sentimental and emotional about it and it really bugs me. It seriously feels as if there are many of you not just supporting the product, but actively promoting it, and that's annoying. I'm sick of hearing about destroyer - you can do well on the DAT without it.
I am not saying that the destroyer is a bad book or anything like that.
I think it is a good book. But I have to agree with the sentiment of the OP about the people who "aggressively" promote the destroyer here.
I know for fact Dr. Romano is asking their students to register to sdn and post about the destroyer here. He may not ask you at the beginning, but he will eventually pressure you to post something here.
I know many of you will deny this to get his favor (since he plays favoritism) and get more help from him.
The more a$$kissing you do, the more attention you will get from him. In fact, this is an incredibly smart way to market this book.
Some of you may say that you are already done with the DAT and you don't really need Dr. romano's favor. But you have already built up a close relationship during this give and take business with him, and you feel the urge to give it back to him even when you are done.
And I am sure some of you just post about the destroyer simply because you really like it, without his asking you to do so. But the point is that there are still many others who post here because Dr. Romano asked them to do so.
I seriously think that something needs to be done here.
I think it is a good book. But I have to agree with the sentiment of the OP about the people who "aggressively" promote the destroyer here.
I know for fact Dr. Romano is asking their students to register to sdn and post about the destroyer here. He may not ask you at the beginning, but he will eventually pressure you to post something here.
I know many of you will deny this to get his favor (since he plays favoritism) and get more help from him.
The more a$$kissing you do, the more attention you will get from him. In fact, this is an incredibly smart way to market this book.
Some of you may say that you are already done with the DAT and you don't really need Dr. romano's favor. But you have already built up a close relationship during this give and take business with him, and you feel the urge to give it back to him even when you are done.
And I am sure some of you just post about the destroyer simply because you really like it, without his asking you to do so. But the point is that there are still many others who post here because Dr. Romano asked them to do so.
I seriously think that something needs to be done here.
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Seriously, I would really like to know what's going on with all you destroyer advocates - but if you are encouraged to post it's not like you are going to come out and tell us. I just want you all to just chill-out and give it a rest. If anything, I've developed a bad-taste for the destroyer because of all your ultra-supportive posts.
I find myself saying this in every negative destroyer post, but I think that people hating on it is the the number one cause of positive posts for it. I thought it was useful in light of the investment. Was it a magic cure all? No, but considering the cost of applying and dental school tuition, every little bit helped.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have never been asked to pimp destroyer. Once, I defended it on a thread and Dr. Romano sent me a message thanking me, but he didn't ask me to do it nor ask that I do it in the future.
I just hate that people might be chased away from a useful product because of negativity that often times comes from people that have never used the book. Like I said, you aren't going to score well on destroyer alone. It doesn't help with the format of the DAT nor does it provide info in outline form (ala kaplan), but it is a good bank of questions on the sciences that I felt improved my score.
He may not have asked that to you, but he has done so to many others.
Also, he may not ask you directly to write a great post about the destroyer here - from what I hear, he encourages them to do so in an indirect way. He will imply that he plays favoritism to the ones who post about destroyer here.
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You know NewMexDent, I really don't want to come off as offensive but for your own good, if you really are being affected by the "destroyer promoters" then you should just not read threads that will obviously spark vehement arguments concerning the usefullness of the DAT destroyer. I for one don't look at the destroyer as a "savior" but rather just another tool (among) many that have helped me along the way.
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sorrie to keep this thread going but the destroyer is the shi*. dr. romano and nancy consistently update the destroyer. Dr. Romano is def. a brillant man when it comes for preparation of the dats!! he guides you which is most important for studying for the dats exam. I think thats very important wen taking a exam this important to a individuals future. Also he has no problem telling you to use other resources. just yesterday at 12:30 pm wen i got done talkin' to him he said if the QR section is not helping you, use other resources such as topscore and achiever. I think it takes alot outta sumone tellin' you to use other resources wen especially his **** is the best on the market!!...nuff said..gud luck studyin' guys!!!
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Is that for real? I wouldn't be suprised. In fact, I've always doubted the authenticity of any pro-destroyer advocate. It always smells fishy.
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um..is this for real?
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i don't understand the big deal here...if ppl are encouraged to post about destroyer or not...it still lies to you, the consumer, whether to purchase the product or not...... i certainly spoke from experience....
if you don't like the book or don't want to use the book b/c of "promotions" then dont......but you really cannot praise or bash a product if you haven't used it (for those who haven't used destroyer)
the valid arguments pertaining to this thread are from those who have used the book...
marketing a book is not illegal and there are certainly no laws violated.... if someone swears by a product, that, in no way, influences your choice...look at t.v....how many ads do we see of ppl promoting products? do you go out and by them all? dont we all look to consumer reviews to see what the best products are? cnet.com? consumer report?
i personally don't think its smart to knock something off just bc you don't like how its being presented....you might be shooting yourself in the foot...or you might not...you have to take a comprehensive approach to things...
if you don't like the book or don't want to use the book b/c of "promotions" then dont......but you really cannot praise or bash a product if you haven't used it (for those who haven't used destroyer)
the valid arguments pertaining to this thread are from those who have used the book...
marketing a book is not illegal and there are certainly no laws violated.... if someone swears by a product, that, in no way, influences your choice...look at t.v....how many ads do we see of ppl promoting products? do you go out and by them all? dont we all look to consumer reviews to see what the best products are? cnet.com? consumer report?
i personally don't think its smart to knock something off just bc you don't like how its being presented....you might be shooting yourself in the foot...or you might not...you have to take a comprehensive approach to things...
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i don't understand this extra attention you speak of...i've talked about destroyer for the last like 3 months and have not gotten any of this... i mean what is he going to do?? take my dat for me? plus this extra attention...how does this help him after he has taken his dat?
give me a break...if destroyer worked for him...i think the only reason he is posting about it is b/c he wants others to benefit...its still their choice if they want to or not...
since your so adament of this extra attention he will be receiving...please further explain..i hope there is a vacation or some kinda trip involved
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J
jackbauer!
I'm one of the Destroyer's biggest advocates and I will tell you straight up that after the DAT Dr. Romano asked if I was happy with his product to give a positive review when discussing my DAT scores on SDN. my scores were well over the 90 percentile so there was no doubt that I was going to give the Destroyer a 👍. All I did was say that I used the destroyer and that was impressed--that's all. Dr. Romano does not force anybody to post anything.
If you poll people that used the destroyer, I guarantee you that well over 90% recommend it highly. the others probably did not use the study tool correctly. like others said, it's no silver bullet and you will have to work very hard on it.
jb!🙂
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Sure it's legal and there's no way to stop people from doing it, but I'm irritated that sdn, a site I view for educational and informational purposes, has to be tainted with this "legal" marketing.
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i feel ya on this... in my posts, i only speak from experience....and have never said if you dont have destroyer you're screwed....i know some ppl have...but that's their opinion...maybe that was their missing link that ensured their success and that's why they are so adamant about it...
and what is so bad about marketing books? authors do it on tv....ppl have publishing companies etc..what wrong w/ doing it on sdn?...just like anything else, its not being forced on you...and you don't have to read the post or purchase the product....i mean if it irritates you..dont read it...you do have a choice...
sdn is impartial and if the members of sdn are posting on something that's legal.. there's not much any of us can do...but participate if we want to or not..
as far as dr. romano giving special attention etc...in the letter that came with the book..they said, contact us if you need any help...they didn't know me or who i was.....and they still dont know me...
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