Dictation and transcription

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Richard_Hom

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1. What is your favorite pathology information system (PIS) and why do you like it?
2. What workflow works best for you when using a dictation and PIS?
3. Do pathologists dictate the CPT code or is that processed by the coder?
4. What are your thoughts about e-signing your dictation?
5. Do you use an accession or billing number or both during your dictation?

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Richard_Hom said:
1. What is your favorite pathology information system (PIS) and why do you like it?
2. What workflow works best for you when using a dictation and PIS?
3. Do pathologists dictate the CPT code or is that processed by the coder?
4. What are your thoughts about e-signing your dictation?
5. Do you use an accession or billing number or both during your dictation?

1) I have no idea. It's a foot pedal and a microphone.

2) I have no idea. I hate dictating. I would rather write it out. I want more templates and canned text since no one reads gross descriptions anyway.

3) We dictate it but I doubt it matters because things get automatically assigned anyway and get coded by someone else in the end anyway, I have no doubt.

4) Fine with me.

5) Accession only.

why do you ask?
 
My answers are pretty much the same as Yaah's. I am a fan of templates and canned text as long as there's flexibility and it is easy to deviate as needed. Our hospitals all use different systems so I've seen some variety. At one of the places we dictate the CPT codes and at other places the SNOMED codes, but hate having to look up any codes. At a different place, the system automatically spits out the proper SNOMED and CPT codes and someone checks them in the end to make any changes. Basically, would want the easiest and most dependable system... nothing too fancy schmancy since those are usually the first to break down.
 
yaah said:
why do you ask?

I'm involved in an evaluation of a new dictation system at our hospital for our pathologists and wanted get another view of what they like and do?
Richard
 
I know some places are experimenting with voice recognition software, thus eliminating the need for a transcriptionist. Needless to say, this is being fought. And I frankly don't think the technology is there yet. You would spend more time trying to make corrections than it would take to type it all out in the first place. Although, some people have said that voice recognition software adapts to the user, so that while there may be mistakes at first, it improves as you use it.

I guess, for legal reasons, a pathologist has to dictate the fee and billing codes, because there are variables. It isn't as simple as saying, "all colon resections get the same fee code."

But garfield is right. Fancy-schmancy things always sound great, but they ALWAYS crap out at key points. What happened to that colon cancer dictation I just did? The machine is down again. And despite the fact that people design dictation systems with "convenience" in mind, there is always something really obvious that is just screwy.
 
A buddy of mine in radiology uses a voice recognition program on some of his rotations and says once it's trained to your voice, it does pretty well. I'm sure it will be good enough someday to use all the time.

We use CoPath which isn't bad but I don't have anything to compare it to. At some hospitals we dictate CPT and SNOMED; others are autocoded or coded by the transcriptionists. We use accession numbers only. I'd have no problem with e-signing reports.
 
When I was on family medicine, one of the attendings used a voice recognition transcription program connected to his computer and he would check for mistakes and make corrections while he was dictating. I think I would definitely prefer that compared to asking the transcriptionist to make corrections "... sorry I have to break from the dictation but with the blah blah blah I was talking about blah blah minutes ago.... can you change it so that blah blah blah..."
 
1. Hard question to really answer definitively, as we only have one PIS, and I have no experience with others. However, I can say that we use Tamtron Powerpath, and it's awesome. We dictate, then the transciptionists type into the system and assign the case to you electronically, which is then available for editing on any computer in the department. You edit the case, then, when the case is done, assign it to the attending for further editing and signing. Routine cases are pretty much always signed out the same day. If cases are not signed out for whatever reason (eg ipox), it's really easy to login and see what the status is, even down to what time an additional section was cut and which histotech cut it.

We also rotate at a VA, which has essentially no computerized PIS, so the residents dictate (into the telephone--we outsource our transcription to a private company), then receive print outs. We write out our edits on these print outs, then give these back to the clerk, who enters your corrections (if he can read your writing). it usually adds an extra day or two, particularly if you need any additional corrections. This system drives all of the residents here batty, and we've been complaining about it for years.

I think human transcriptionists are vastly superior to voice recognition. I am always amazed at what they can do--sometimes it's like they are reading my mind. I dictate as fast as I can speak (i sound like an auctioneer when I gross), and I only very rarely catch them making a mistake. Admittedly, I've only played with voice recognition systems, but they seem very balky and difficult to use relative to a human with good english and typing skills. I don't have to train anything with a human transcriptionist, and they also check over the report to see "if it reasonable" and will highlight any glaring mistakes. I think the main reason people are moving to voice recognition systems is that transcription is a dying art--I hear that it's pretty difficult to hire good medical transcriptionists these days.

2. I think I answered this question in #1.

3. The residents enter ICD-9 codes, and I believe that CPT codes are entered by our transcriptionists, although I never see this. At our VA, we dictate SNOMED and CPT codes.

4. Residents here don't sign or e-sign the reports. The attendings electronically sign reports, which seems to cut down on time. I've never heard any big complaints one way or another.

5. Only acc# and name. We are sheltered from the whole billing aspect of things.

-mrp
 
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