Didactic pathology: your program

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I am in a community hospital program with a fair volume of surgical cases (30k). In terms of AP teaching in the residency, we have the bare minimum: unknown conference once a week and journal club twice a month. We do preview all of our cases before signout and the pathologists are very good under the microscope teaching one-on-one. Other residents and I have asked for teaching/lecture conferences, but the requests are ignored. The attending feedback is that little knowledge can be obtained sitting in a lecture hall listening to someone speaking about a topic. They suggest that we simply read more to supplement our knowledge. Our pass rate for 1st time AP boards (50%) is below the national average (80%).

Question: Where do you think you learn most in your AP program, at signout or during your lectures/conferences? Or, put another way, if you removed the didactic component of your program and supplemented it with reading on your own, do you think your knowledge base would be where it is today?
 
I think didactics are important, it is overall more exposure to things you might not learn about without reading, or it is a way to synthesize things. We have lots of AP didactics. One slide conference each month of neuropath, dermpath, pediatrics path, a weekly surgpath slide conference (rotates through subspecialties), tuesday afternoon AP didactic, and at least two cytopath conferences per month.

That being said, our conference attendance isn't that great and many residents don't take advantage of it. We're lucky if we get half the attendance. A lot of people only show up for conferences that are in the specialty they want to do a fellowship in (I guess to show their interest or something) and some people ditch conference if they are on a rotation they deem too busy, even though our conference time is protected time. Since every rotation can be busy except for chemistry and micro, do the math. And even on chemistry and micro they don't show up but I guess the excuse is different.

I don't know where I learn the most. Probably signout, but it's a different kind of learning. I think conferences and didactics are more important for boards, signout is more important for overall competence and general knowledge. You can read for an hour on everything you see during signout and never encounter tons of lesions (or realize some of the important things that go along with them like cytogenetics, molecular stuff, differentials, etc) you will see on the boards.
 
Our conference attendance isn't that great and many residents don't take advantage of it. We're lucky if we get half the attendance. .

Is conference attendance at your program required? How do you guys deal with patchy attendance?
 
Is conference attendance at your program required? How do you guys deal with patchy attendance?

Yes. Vague threats of penalties, and threats.

Oh sorry I guess that different programs might actually do it differently.
 
weird that as applicants we always ask about what didactic learning will be offered (true across all specialties i think), and then lots of residents simply don't show up to most of the didactic sessions. i just came off internal med, and noon didactic conferences were lucky to get 1/3 of the residents - and yes, there was even free lunch. i understand no one can make 100% of didactic sessions, but considering they're being done to benefit the residents, i'd have thought attendance would be better.
 
To the original poster: strong didactics are a sign of a strong program, and I think it's a red flag that your program is blowing them off.

As far as the attendance issue goes, my opinion has changed somewhat as I've advanced through residency. In the beginning when everything was still pretty new to me, I felt that it was kind of rude and disrespectful for people to blow off conferences. But now I realize that as residents we really need to learn how to budget our time and, especially as we may take on more and more extra projects, sometimes attending conference may not be in our best interests.

As far as punishments for not attending are concerned, we have vague threats at our program too, but I think now that missing a learning opportunity should be punishment enough. And if you really want us to attend, supply food!
 
To the original poster: strong didactics are a sign of a strong program, and I think it's a red flag that your program is blowing them off.

I couldn't agree more! A big red flag. Choose your program carefully!

I'm surprised this thread didn't elicit more comments from residents.
 
To the original poster: strong didactics are a sign of a strong program, and I think it's a red flag that your program is blowing them off.

As far as the attendance issue goes, my opinion has changed somewhat as I've advanced through residency. In the beginning when everything was still pretty new to me, I felt that it was kind of rude and disrespectful for people to blow off conferences. But now I realize that as residents we really need to learn how to budget our time and, especially as we may take on more and more extra projects, sometimes attending conference may not be in our best interests.


I disagree a bit, I don't think you should give yourself license to blow off conferences as you proceed in your residency just because you have more to do. I see people doing that here too, and I often wonder if that one hour of conference time is so important for their time management needs, that they probably need to learn how to budget their time better. I do agree though that there are some conferences which are more aimed at younger residents - we have some that repeat every couple of years or so, for example. And we have so many cytopathology conferences that I almost feel like we don't need to do a rotation sometimes.

Talking in general now, not to you, because I know you are a dedicated resident...

If too many residents blow off conferences, even the best prepared and well intentioned conferences suffer as a result. So while programs obviously need to work hard on their didactics, residents need to participate. Bailing because you are too busy is not the best excuse...conference time is protected time, as in it should not count towards your normal duties. If attendings are forcing you to do things during conference time, tell your PD because that's inappropriate. We have residents here who skip conferences because they are at the VA or because they have an autopsy - unnecessary! Sure, it might make your day easier to skip the conference, but we don't do things because they're easy.

I fully understand that my view on conference attendance is a bit old fashioned and doesn't appeal to everyone. But as I said, they take attendance for conferences here but it doesn't seem to matter. The same 5-10 of us generally show up for most conferences, and the rest of the residents ditch (and many of these residents are the flustered, poorly prepared, residents with poor time management skills, or they are the less dedicated residents, probably not coincidentally). Everyone knows that residency is demanding and to attend all conferences is not feasible. But you are primarily hurting yourself by ditching. There are other residents who only attend conferences that are in their area of interest - like the resident who never shows up to anything but when it's a GI path conference just magically seems to find time. You can't limit yourself during residency - boards aren't subspecialized. I don't know what happens to residents who don't attend any conferences.

Speaking as a resident who does attend conferences, by the way, there is very little that is more annoying than attending a conference with a great teacher and having only a few people there. Then we get emails or comments about how we should attend the conferences, and those of us who attend get the criticism because we happen to be there "representing" the residents.

We get lots of emails, requests from attendings, etc, on asking what can be done to improve conferences. The answers from many residents (usually residents who don't attend anyway) often include "have fewer conferences." Huh?
 
I used to go to a lot of conferences, but now that my fellowships are in the sack, I almost never go unless one of my favorite attendings is giving it. They are a total waste of time. I learn much better by studying books. I only like microscope unknown sessions but those don't satisfy the definition of didactic, so can't be counted as a didactic lecture. The worst is having to listen to someone go on and on abuot their research. It is the lamest thing in the whole world. Some day I want to stand up and say "we don't give a ****!"

Having mandatory conferences is so juvenile. We are adult physicians, and we know what works best for us in terms of learning. Having conferences is great for those that get off on them, but making everyone go to them is annoying.

di·dac·tic (d-dktk)
adj.

Of or relating to medical teaching by lectures or textbooks as distinguished from clinical demonstration with patients. (in pathology unknown/slide sessions is the equivalent to teaching using patients.
 
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