Differences between DPT and MSPT

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Can anyone point me to a resource that shows the core differences between the MSPT and DPT curricula? I'm a second year PT student, and am starting to get slightly frustrated with the amount of material we're forced to learn I don't really think is necessary. I'm sure there are differences between schools, but I really just want to see which courses were added to the masters to get to the DPT.

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Well, since each school differs so much, I guess it'd be hard to make a comparison... I was under the assumption that because of the actual amount of credits you were taking under an MS it was unfair because at that amount most other people were getting a doctorate...

I guess the only thing you could really do would be try to find out what the old cirriculum was at the school you are personally attending vs the DPT program... Otherwise, it's not really a fair comparison since there is so much variation across programs.

I guess you could look into some of the CA schools that still have the MS program (not sure who they are, though...) and try to compare that way...
 
There probably isn't much difference in the curriculum between the two. They are both accredited by CAPTE and need to include the same things in their curriculum in order to achieve accreditation.

I was attending Arcadia when they were switching to a DPT. The course work change include some credits that essentially involved more of the behavioral sciences and an additional 12 week clinical.

Now, I have a question for you. What difference does it make to you? You're in a DPT program and you knew it was a DPT program when you enrolled, right? Frustration with the university for providing coursework which may very well fulfill CAPT-mandated accreditation requirements seems to be a waste of time at best, and detrimental to your academic well-being at worst.

And, not trying to be inflammatory here, but as a student, I'm not sure that you have the best perspective to determine what material may or may not be necessary.
 
like me give you an example or 2.

right now im taking a 1 credit "clinical education seminar"...which essentially is a precursor to our first clinical. we meet for 3 hrs a week and each class we discuss things that are basically common sense. last week we focused on cultural diversity...for 3 hrs. we basically learned not be racist in the workplace. personally, i thought it was a waste of time and money.

in the first semester, we took a course called physical therapists as teachers and learners. we met once a week for 3 whole hours. i understand the material covered is on the license exam, but basically all we really did was point out that people have different ways of learning things. again, i thought that was a complete waste of time and money.

i also have to take 3 research methods courses. are 3 really necessary?

im trying to look at this program critically bc i think in this day and age, education should be streamlined and made more efficient...bc tuition is out of control. i sit there in some of these classes and pull my hair out realizing how much im paying per hour to listen to nonsense.

i should point out that the majority of my education so far has been outstanding, but i cant help but think that we're getting a little over educated.

and youre right, as a student i dont really know, but im wondering
 
like me give you an example or 2.

right now im taking a 1 credit "clinical education seminar"...which essentially is a precursor to our first clinical. we meet for 3 hrs a week and each class we discuss things that are basically common sense. last week we focused on cultural diversity...for 3 hrs. we basically learned not be racist in the workplace. personally, i thought it was a waste of time and money.

in the first semester, we took a course called physical therapists as teachers and learners. we met once a week for 3 whole hours. i understand the material covered is on the license exam, but basically all we really did was point out that people have different ways of learning things. again, i thought that was a complete waste of time and money.

i also have to take 3 research methods courses. are 3 really necessary?

im trying to look at this program critically bc i think in this day and age, education should be streamlined and made more efficient...bc tuition is out of control. i sit there in some of these classes and pull my hair out realizing how much im paying per hour to listen to nonsense.

i should point out that the majority of my education so far has been outstanding, but i cant help but think that we're getting a little over educated.

and youre right, as a student i dont really know, but im wondering

I can't say what the CAPTE requirements are, but it is quite possible that those clinical education and PTs as learners and educators courses are required for accreditation and your school is giving you the minimum number of hours they can. What I'm saying is this may be outside of your school's control.

In regards to the 3 research methods courses - yes. 3 are necessary. They will be some of the most important courses you will take as a PT student. They are what will help you shape your practice as a new graduate and then modify it as you gain experience, using new and relevant research that you have critically appraised. From my experience, these are some of the courses that my students tend to complain about, yet all of them seem to think that evidenced based practice is important. If one can't appropriately critically appraise the current literature, how then are they able to practice in an evidenced based fashion? The simple answer is, they can't. They then tend to fall back on the traditional memes in taught in PT school or continuing education courses, or use reasoning like "This is something my CI showed me.", etc., which frankly, is not the way a professional should behave and does your patients a considerable disservice.
 
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I can't say what the CAPTE requirements are, but it is quite possible that those clinical education and PTs as learners and educators courses are required for accreditation and your school is giving you the minimum number of hours they can. What I'm saying is this may be outside of your school's control.

In regards to the 3 research methods courses - yes. 3 are necessary. They will be some of the most important courses you will take as a PT student. They are what will help you shape your practice as a new graduate and then modify it as you gain experience, using new and relevant research that you have critically appraised. From my experience, these are some of the courses that my students tend to complain about, yet all of them seem to think that evidenced based practice is important. If one can't appropriately critically appraise the current literature, how then are they able to practice in an evidenced based fashion? The simple answer is, they can't. They then tend to fall back on the traditional memes in taught in PT school or continuing education courses, or use reasoning like "This is something my CI showed me.", etc., which frankly, is not the way a professional should behave and does your patients a considerable disservice.

I have to second this notion. I have not entered my DPT program yet, however research is an extremely important aspect in our field. Already having graduate school experience, ALL students should understand that the stronger one's profession is steeped into research(specifically in science based professions), the more ground we will have to stand upon as a profession. The strength of the literature and the methodology attached to it may very well be the contributing factor to the ascension or eventual demise of any profession(Physical Therapy included)!
 
On another note, you can rest assured that you are not the only DPT or health science student for that matter who feels that some of their coursework is filled with "fluff' or nonessential material. I hear it across the board from medical students, nurses, pharmacists, PT, social work, or any number of professions you can imagine. However, I have found that there is something to be taken from almost all courses even the "fluffy" ones. Best wishes on continued success throughout the remainder of your education!
 
On another note, you can rest assured that you are not the only DPT or health science student for that matter who feels that some of their coursework is filled with "fluff' or nonessential material. I hear it across the board from medical students, nurses, pharmacists, PT, social work, or any number of professions you can imagine. However, I have found that there is something to be taken from almost all courses even the "fluffy" ones. Best wishes on continued success throughout the remainder of your education!


We had some courses like that when I did my education degree... Things that were common sense to ME, and I often wondered why we were wasting so much time on them... then, I realized that it's not always common sense for everyone.
 
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