Disability Insurance policy for a first year medical student

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A friend of mine who works for an insurance company called me the other day and tried to sell me disability insurance that starts my first year of medical school. I laughed hard. Then I asked him if I could pay for the policy in pocket lint and/or random science facts. Have you guys had people/ friends try to sell you disability insurance as a student? Is this a common occurrence?

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A friend of mine who works for an insurance company called me the other day and tried to sell me disability insurance that starts my first year of medical school. I laughed hard. Then I asked him if I could pay for the policy in pocket lint and/or random science facts. Have you guys had people/ friends try to sell you disability insurance as a student? Is this a common occurrence?

Our school requires us to purchase disability insurance through them so I wouldn't purchase anything until you contact the school.
 
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Disability insurance is essential. All physicians should have a specialty specific individual policy, if possible.
A policy through your school is definitely better than nothing. However, that policy will most likely lapse when you leave school, and probably only covers you for a year, or a few years, of benefits.

Disabiliy insurance is almost as important as health insurance. You should also get an umbrella policy later.

The policy that you carry throughout your working life should be for the maximum amount of money that they will write the policy for ( usually a maximum of 60% of your gross income, but perhaps as a student or resident they will write it based on your future expected earnings. Premiums can be tax-deductable, but DON'T deduct the premiums, because if you do, your benefits will be taxed. If you don't deduct them, they won't be taxed.

It should be an individual policy, not through the hospital or university, so that you can quit your job and take the policy with you. You could also consider a group policy through the AMA ( you don't have to joint to get a policy ) which would be portable,, but you are subject to the entire group being cancelled. Also, those rates go up with age, but overall are inexpensive. Such policies are usually not specialty specific, but check anyway. Some specialty organizations will sponsor group policies as well (eg American academy of.......surgery, pedes, etc )

The policy should have an inflation protection rider.

It should have a high elimination (deductable ) period. 90 or 180 days.

It should be specialty specific ( especially for procedure based specialties. Psych, not so much )

It should cover you until age 65, at least, maybe to age 70 if you are over the age of 60 when disabled.

Get it from a reputable company. Try to be able to afford it. You really don't know when disaster will strike.

These policies will seem expensive, but they are worth the money. Don't risk being without one.
 
Echoing the above -- it's an absolute essential that should be talked about more than it is. That said, student policies (ie. my policy) are not that great but still worth having, especially if it has options to let you upgrade your coverage in the future. There's a great series on disability insurance on the white coat investor blog you can google.

Takeaway point is that it's incredibly expensive but an essential part of your financial wellbeing. Remember that all insurance products are priced according to the likelihood of needing it, so the fact that disability insurance costs more says a lot about the odds of you needing it (or wishing you had it).
 
Disability insurance is essential. All physicians should have a specialty specific individual policy, if possible.
A policy through your school is definitely better than nothing. However, that policy will most likely lapse when you leave school, and probably only covers you for a year, or a few years, of benefits.

Disabiliy insurance is almost as important as health insurance. You should also get an umbrella policy later.

The policy that you carry throughout your working life should be for the maximum amount of money that they will write the policy for ( usually a maximum of 60% of your gross income, but perhaps as a student or resident they will write it based on your future expected earnings. Premiums can be tax-deductable, but DON'T deduct the premiums, because if you do, your benefits will be taxed. If you don't deduct them, they won't be taxed.

It should be an individual policy, not through the hospital or university, so that you can quit your job and take the policy with you. You could also consider a group policy through the AMA ( you don't have to joint to get a policy ) which would be portable,, but you are subject to the entire group being cancelled. Also, those rates go up with age, but overall are inexpensive. Such policies are usually not specialty specific, but check anyway. Some specialty organizations will sponsor group policies as well (eg American academy of.......surgery, pedes, etc )

The policy should have an inflation protection rider.

It should have a high elimination (deductable ) period. 90 or 180 days.

It should be specialty specific ( especially for procedure based specialties. Psych, not so much )

It should cover you until age 65, at least, maybe to age 70 if you are over the age of 60 when disabled.

Get it from a reputable company. Try to be able to afford it. You really don't know when disaster will strike.

These policies will seem expensive, but they are worth the money. Don't risk being without one.

This is a good post. Read it again, med studs. Print it out and paste it to the inside cover of First Aid.
 
Very helpful. I wasn't even aware of disability insurance for med students. I have life ins so I don't leave a huge debt for my family, but now I will definitely be buying some kind of disability insurance once I start school.
 
I have life ins so I don't leave a huge debt for my family, but now I will definitely be buying some kind of disability insurance once I start school.

If you have a job now that is earning you a real adult income, you should get the disability insurance now, because you need income to qualify.

Since you brought up the subject of life insurance, I might as well complete the topic and discuss life insurance as well.

You need life insurance if someone is dependent on you financially, or for direct care. In other words, if you support a spouse and / or children, or elderly parents, then you need life insurance. You also need life insurance for the stay-at-home spouse, because if they die, a nanny needs to be hired to care for the children, and the working spouse will need to cut back their hours to spend more time with the chidren. If you don't have dependents, you don't need life insurance. Period.

The only kind of life insurance that anyone should ever buy is TERM life insurance.
I will repeat that: The only kind of life insurance that anyone should ever buy is TERM life insurance.
The policy should be for 20 or 30 years, until you are ready to retire, because by then you will have accumulated enough savings to retire on, therefore your income is no longer needed, so if you die no one will care. ( at least, they won't care financially.) Ideally, it should be enough to cover all your expenses until your children finish college. For most of you, that should be for at least 2 million dollars, for each parent, maybe even 3 million. ( you could do 2 million for 30 years and 1 million for 20 years, perhaps. )

Sorry for shouting, but: THE ONLY KIND OF LIFE INSURANCE THAT ANYONE SHOULD EVER BUY IS TERM LIFE INSURANCE.

Do not ever buy a whole life policy. WHOLE LIFE POLICIES ARE A SCAM. Do not ever buy a universal life policy ( just another name for whole life ).
Do not every buy a life insurance policy that has an cash value or a surrender value or one that accumulates value over time; those are all whole life insurance policies.

I repeat. DO NOT EVER BUY A WHOLE LIFE POLICY. Just google "Term vs whole life insurance" and you will find lots of explanations. Bottom line: whole life is a scam. If you already have a whole life policy, talk to an accountant about the most efficient way to get out of it.

While I'm at it, DON'T EVER BUY ANY KIND OF ANNUITY. ( another insurance company product designed to earn them money at your expense)

There are many so-called financial advisers out there who make more money than you ever will selling whole life and annuity products to doctors. Please don't support their early retirement by buying from them.

I'm not too familiar with the White Coat Investor website, I just looked at it briefly recently, but what I saw look good and reliable. They probably talk about these topics as well. Look there for more info.

ANECDOTES: 5 years ago, I convinced a young resident friend of mine to get a disability policy while he was in residency for a procedure based specialty. He was able to get coverage for his projected income, at 60%. 2 years into practice, he developed a neurologic condition, degenerative, which has a spotty symptoms and a variable course, but leaves him unable to practice reliably and safely. He is getting paid, and he gets a 5% raise every year, more than most md's get these days, all tax free.
Last year my cousin's brother-in-law was on his weekly bike ride in rural New Jersey when he skidded off the road, down into a ditch, and hit his head on a rock. He died instantly. He had a 5 year old and a 2 month old at home. That inspired my cousin to get life and disability insurance. A "friend" tried to sell him a whole life policy. I convinced him not to get the whole life policy and to get term, and to get disability insurance, but he then proceeded to procrastinate for a year despite my email reminders. Then he developed a cough after a trip to L.A. , with fever and severe headaches. Med students: Diagnosis? Anybody? .........................................Valley fever, with early CNS involvement. Symptoms all resolved within a few weeks on medication, but now, no one will insure him for anything. He has two young children as well.

These are true stories. I know these people, and talk to them every month or two.

The Moral of the the stories: Don't wait until it's too late to get insurance.

Best case scenario, you wil never use it, and 30 years from now, you can tell me I wasted your money.
Worse case : You'll thank me.
Worst case: You'll be sorry you didn't listen to me.
 
I wish this kind of thing were talked about more in medical school. We have a number of mandatory financial seminars, but they essentially boil down to minimize your borrowing, budget well, etc. I don't think anyone has said a word about insurance of any kind. It would be nice to have some discussions about it, especially what one should do once they graduate and start residency.

Maybe people who grew up in more affluent households already know about all this stuff, but this is a whole new world for people like me whose middle class parents carried life/health/home/auto insurance and that's about it. I'd never even heard of disability or umbrella coverage until recently because my parents never had enough income to afford additional coverage or even really need it. As physicians, most of us will need a level of protection that many families don't need or can't afford. I'm still learning and trying to figure out how to best cover myself and my family, but you are quite right that sooner is better. It doesn't take much to make yourself uninsurable!
 
I wish this kind of thing were talked about more in medical school. We have a number of mandatory financial seminars, but they essentially boil down to minimize your borrowing, budget well, etc. I don't think anyone has said a word about insurance of any kind. It would be nice to have some discussions about it, especially what one should do once they graduate and start residency.

Yes, they should teach this in med school, and in residency, but most doctors are financially illiterate so your teachers don't realize what they don't know.

I am very comfortable with my finances and consider myself as knowledgable as almost anyone about money and investing. However, I also had to teach myself. As I have said before, the way to avoid mistakes is by getting a lot of experience. The way to get experience is by making a lot of mistakes. I have a lot of experience in financial matters.

I recommend that all medical students read the books I have listed below. They should all be available in your local library, although they are worth owning and re-reading from time to time.

First, read “The Wealthy Barber” by Chiltin, as well as his follow-up book, Return of the Wealthy Barber. This will give you the very basics, in an amusing and easy to read format. It may be too basic for some, but I recommend it regardless. This one may not be in your local library. The next two definitely will be there.

Next, read Personal Finance for Dummies, by Eric Tyson. This will give you a very good overview of finance as well as investing.

Then read The Millionaire Next Door, and the Millionaire Mind, both by Thomas J. Stanley. I re-read these books every few years or so, and I highly recommend them. These books teach you how not to spend money on stupid stuff.

I also provisionally recommend the White Coat Investor website. From what I have seen so far, it's excellent, and I don't disagree with anything I read there so far. However, I haven't been thorugh all of it yet. There is also a White Coat Investor book, which I plan on buying, to see if it can supplement or replace the 3 books I recommended here. He is a big proponent of investing in Index funds, which I recommend almost exclusively. You can read more about those on the Vanguard website, and on the White Coat Investor website.

If you read those books, you should be all set.
 
Very good commentary. The only additional comment I would make is when purchasing life insurance is to buy the amount of coverage needed first and then duration you can afford 2nd. As an example if you have $25 per month to spend and needed $1 million in coverage. For most you can certainly get that coverage for a 10 year policy and probably 15 year contract but a 30 year contract would be a stretch. What I hate seeing is someone buying less coverage than they need today in order to have it around for 30 years. My point is you know what your world looks like today, you have some vision for what it looks like even in 10 years but no one has vision of what it looks like 30 years from now so don't sacrifice todays/near future needs for what you might think life looks like 30 years from now.
 
Obviously disability insurance is useful when you have income (residency on; not a student), but what exactly are you insuring? You don't have any income as a student. If you depend on your spouse while in school or you have children, then certainly it would make sense for your spouse to have disability insurance. Maybe I'm missing how disability insurance works for students?

The commentary on life and umbrella insurances seems fair enough considering I know nothing about them.

EDIT: I used the google and found this for students :
$1,000/mo for up to 12 months if a disability "prevents you from attending classes"
 
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Obviously disability insurance is useful when you have income (residency on; not a student), but what exactly are you insuring? You don't have any income as a student. If you depend on your spouse while in school or you have children, then certainly it would make sense for your spouse to have disability insurance. Maybe I'm missing how disability insurance works for students?

The commentary on life and umbrella insurances seems fair enough considering I know nothing about them.

EDIT: I used the google and found this for students :
$1,000/mo for up to 12 months if a disability "prevents you from attending classes"

The OP has income now and can get insurance based on his current income.

For others without income, You might find a company willing to write a policy now based on your anticipated income in a few years. Such policies are available to residents, maybe for med students too. The advantage of getting insured now if possible is because you could either become disabled now and never earn an income, or get sick or injured , even something relatively minor, and then find that you are uninsurable. Best to lock in a policy as soon as you can.

The policy I'm referring to you pays 50 or 60% of future income to age 65 or 70 tax free. The student policy you found is pretty much worthless, as you probably realize.
Also, usually the cost goes up with age, so getting a policy when younger may not cost more over your Lifetime but will cover you against catastrophe sooner.
 
Coming back to this later. Bumping for safe keeping.
 
Disability insurance is essential. All physicians should have a specialty specific individual policy, if possible.
A policy through your school is definitely better than nothing. However, that policy will most likely lapse when you leave school, and probably only covers you for a year, or a few years, of benefits.

Disabiliy insurance is almost as important as health insurance. You should also get an umbrella policy later.

The policy that you carry throughout your working life should be for the maximum amount of money that they will write the policy for ( usually a maximum of 60% of your gross income, but perhaps as a student or resident they will write it based on your future expected earnings. Premiums can be tax-deductable, but DON'T deduct the premiums, because if you do, your benefits will be taxed. If you don't deduct them, they won't be taxed.

It should be an individual policy, not through the hospital or university, so that you can quit your job and take the policy with you. You could also consider a group policy through the AMA ( you don't have to joint to get a policy ) which would be portable,, but you are subject to the entire group being cancelled. Also, those rates go up with age, but overall are inexpensive. Such policies are usually not specialty specific, but check anyway. Some specialty organizations will sponsor group policies as well (eg American academy of.......surgery, pedes, etc )

The policy should have an inflation protection rider.

It should have a high elimination (deductable ) period. 90 or 180 days.

It should be specialty specific ( especially for procedure based specialties. Psych, not so much )

It should cover you until age 65, at least, maybe to age 70 if you are over the age of 60 when disabled.

Get it from a reputable company. Try to be able to afford it. You really don't know when disaster will strike.

These policies will seem expensive, but they are worth the money. Don't risk being without one.

Can you elaborate on the inflation rider? I understand what it is but I guess my agent didn't really push me towards it although he obviously recommended it and explained it. I'm In the process of getting disability insurance and was planning on skimping on the inflation rider as well as the student loan repayment option.

My logic: this is a disaster protection policy. The goal is to not be poor if suddenly disabled. The additional bells and whistles seem like a luxury, which if I'm disabled, becomes secondary. Obviously, on a resident salary supporting a family, affording these additional features becomes a bit of a challenge.

Also, the inflation component starts after your benefits kick in, if that ever happens. So if I'm disabled next year, it'll be great to have the inflation rider. If I'm disabled in 20 years when my benefit amount (say 15 k for an attending) has already depreciated, then the inflation protector didn't really protect against inflation.

So I'd like to hear input that strongly argues in favor. Maybe I'll adjust my contract before finalizing.
 
Can you elaborate on the inflation rider? I understand what it is but I guess my agent didn't really push me towards it although he obviously recommended it and explained it. I'm In the process of getting disability insurance and was planning on skimping on the inflation rider as well as the student loan repayment option.

Here's the bottom line: Get the most basic coverage you can afford, and then add the riders to get more coverage out of the basic policy, but only if you can afford them.

How much is the policy going to cost, and how much are the riders? How much coverage? Which company? Disability insurance is one of the areas in which most of the bells and whistles are worth getting. In fact, some are essential.

Non-cancelable : Essential. This is standard

Own-profession: Essential for physicians, but your own specialty is more important, but as a student this may not be an option. So for example, if you're a surgeon, you want to collect if you lose a hand, you don't want to be forced to re-train as a psychiatrist. If you're a psychiatrist, your premiums will be lower, since you can practice just fine without a hand or possibly if legally blind, for example. But policy costs will vary with your specialty, for that very reason.

Exclusion Period: Here is where you can save a lot of money. Get at least a 90 day period. I would consider a 180 day period if there's a big price difference. This is the number of days before you get paid for a disability. It means you need to be out almost 6 months before your policy pays, but typically, you get paid retroactively. You will need to support yourself if, for example, you break a leg and are out of work for 5 1/2 months. Up to 6 mos, live off your emergency fund.

Future Purchase Option ( or Guaranteed Insurability): Get this if you can afford it. It allows you to buy more coverage every year or 2 or 5 depending on the plan, without any medical exam or questions. This will let the plan you have now increase in value to you. Your premiums will go up, but you'll have more insurance and more income that needs coverage. This allows you to keep up with inflation in your salary.

Cost of Living: I would get this if you can afford it, but if you can't , you can skimp for the reasons you mentioned. How much will this cost? I believe that this one means that your benefits, once they kick in, will increase by either the actual cost of living, or in some cases, 5% a year. Inflation is ongoing, so you will want this. True, it's more valuable if you're disabled early, but after 20 years of disability, inflation would halve the value of the benefit, so I would vote for this, but it depends on the cost. Look at it this way: The cost to you reflects the cost to the company. That is, it's very costly to the company if you use it early on, but less costly to them if you don't, and the amount they charge you factors all of this in.
It's disaster coverage, and if you need it early on, it's a bigger disaster and you need the cost of living rider. Remember, this is potentially your salary for the rest of your life! This might have to pay your rent, and your home health aid, your food, your electricity. These go up with inflation. Later on, it's less valuable, so as your income goes up later, you can consider some new policies without the rider. But this policy, that you'll keep until retirement, is the one that needs this rider the most. But some coverage is better than none, so your logic is good. If you can't afford it, don't get it.

Student loan: I'm not familiar with this option. Here too, it depends on cost. On the one hand, you're less likely to need it later on, but depending on cost, it's going to cover extra dollars. On the other hand, the loans themselves might not need to be paid back if you're disabled. Check the terms of the loans. I would probably skip this one if you need to cut back somewhere.

There are two other options that are good if you can afford them but probably not for you since they are optional. One is called catastrophic coverage. This essentially gives you long term care coverage if you're disabled. It pays extra for nursing care at home, maybe also in a nursing home, but this is rarely used. Good to have, but not if you can't afford it , and also depends on the cost. The other option is a retirement option. It pays extra for you to put money into a retirement fund, so you have money to live on after 65. The catch is you usually have to invest with the insurance company itself, and this will mean higher fees and fewer investment options. Better to have more basic coverage, but if you're maxed out based on salary, this is a way to get more coverage. Both of these options are probably only if you have extra money to afford them. Post the details of the costs for the policy or PM me if you wish. Disclaimer: I'm not an insurance agent and not an expert, but I can offer my non-professional non-expert opinion.

Typical costs I have seen recently for level premium non-cancellable policies with COL rider etc, are about $120 per month for $4000 a month of coverage ( i.e. pays 48,000 a year, covering a $96,000 a year salary) for a 40 year old. You're probably younger, so you'll pay less. I was paying more, $152.22 for $4000 on my first policy, obtained at age 37, I think. That was a while ago, prices might be different, or I had more riders, but that should give you a rough idea of the cost. Probably mine was higher because I had specialty specific coverage and I was in a very demanding surgical specialty.

ADD: I just found this article on the White Coat Investor that addresses exactly your question: http://whitecoatinvestor.com/disability-insurance-to-cola-or-not-to-cola/ Read the other articles there on disability insurance. Then you'll know more than me. Use the links below the article I cited or use their search feature on the upper left.
 
The reason carriers will write medical students is not based on their income but on their anticipated income. The reason one buys it is due to time and expense you have put into your future career at that point. Just like anything you have put money, time, and differed income earning capacity into medical school and residency so that is why it is worth insuring. Think about your friends that went to get an MBA, they were done and working by about age 24-25, your real income does not start until age 30-34, during those lost years your friends were earning $100-$300k per year while you are putting time and money into your training/education....that is worth insuring and that is why a carrier will insure a person with for disability with no income.

Be careful on the student loan protection, read the contract, typically they state you have to be 'totally disabled, prior to age 40' so not only do you need to look at that language for the rider but ALSO read the language of the policy to be considered totally disabled/how to be eligible for claim. Language matters and these are written so that the language controls the behavior of the contracts at claim time. Always look at how you want a contract to behave at claim time then buy the contract that performs to that caliber. As an example IF you can do 1 single thing (in your business) that you were doing prior to an illness or injury and you still want to be eligible for filing a claim then you don't want the word 'Totally' in the elimination/waiting period language. Totally means 100% not 99%....language matters.
 
@ColoradoScott : Thanks for the clarifications on disability insurance and on term life. I like your idea of buying a cheap 10 year policy to start if you can't afford more. Probably "laddering" term policies would be the best way to do it. 1 million in a 10 year term policy, plus one or two million in a 20 year, and possibly a 30 year in addition if there's little in savings anticipated, or else get a new 20 year policy if there are additional younger children much later.
Any other additional comments or corrections?
 
I think that about covers it.....buy what you need, option what you might want, get the coverage quantity you need and duration you can afford. Just keep it simple and ALWAYS read what you are buying!
 
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