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First year here. I was dismissed after I failed everything first semester. I don't know what it is with me that I can't memorize anything. I attend all classes but find myself zoning out and not being "there" the whole time. Then I get home and I'm exhausted after labs that I start to study and can't retain anything.

It really sucks when you work most of your life toward a specific goal and you get so close and you end up as one of the 2% who actually fail out of med school. I've wanted to be a doctor for so long that I don't know what to do now that I can't.
 
I'm really sorry to hear that OP, but your not the only one. I browse through these forums quite frequently now that I've been accepted and have seen numerous threads pertaining to situations similar to yours (not being able to memorize etc.) I wish I had more advice for you but I didn't even start school yet, but check out those other threads.
 
If you are failing every course then you have some issues you need to work out. The first year is a lot of work, but only because it is a different intensity. The material isn't difficult. Only thing I can say is get tested for learning disabilities and find out how to study better. I don't know any of the details behind your story but if you were proactive about it and talking to people before/as things were happening rather than after, then they tend to be more lenient....
 
I am sorry I do not have any advice, but if you just want to vent PM me. Do could be an option if you find out what your problem is, but you may not get into another MD school.

Good Luck:xf::xf:
 
The now what, depends on what you want.
Do you still want to pursue medicine?

If so you need to figure out how you can fix the learning situation, then figure out how to get into a school.

Talking to someone at your previous school would be the first step. If you get no love there, probably not much hope of getting into another US MD school. DO or carib are options.

Again, you need to get the learning situation together first.
An academic advisor at your school may be able to help.

Try a few searches if you need tips on studying, memorizing, etc.
There is a lot of good info related to those topics in the various forums.

:luck:
 
I'm not so certain that if OP's medical school threw him out, that he'd have a better chance at getting into a DO school than MD.

Carribean school? Possibly. But this issue will come up when he applies for residencies because they will want to know what happened.

OP, you need to figure out your true motivation behind pursuing medicine. Obviously, you weren't motivated enough to study hard and get a passing grade.

Did you try NOT going to lectures and studying on your own? I can't attend lecture because I tend to "zone out" too so I do the next best thing (the better option, in my opinion) and study on my own listening to lecture recordings at my own convenience.

Anyway, you need to do some soul-searching. Medicine is a vast field that you don't have to go to medical school and become a doctor to enjoy what it has to offer.
 
Medicine is a vast field that you don't have to go to medical school and become a doctor to enjoy what it has to offer.


last time i checked, the DOCTORS were the one's bangin' the nurses... not the techs or CNA's


😀
 
last time i checked, the DOCTORS were the one's bangin' the nurses... not the techs or CNA's


😀

sad, but true.

Op, they won't give you any other change to redeem yourself? I had a friend who failed a few classes the first block and was given a chance to redeem himself over the summer.

I suspect that you are a male (like myself), and WE, in general, ARE NOT DETAIL ORIENTED by nature. Women, on the other hand, tend to have more developed frontal lobes and are thus better at organization, detail work and what not. It's a big reason why so many girls are ahead in the classroom where "hard work" is graded more heavily than "intelligence" unless you're in the hard sciences. It's also a reason why girls now constitute 50% or more in med. classes and in other professions given equal opportunities for education. Sorry guys, but we really are behind girls when it comes to the class room, and I don't think there is much that can be done to change that, you just have to wait as you get older and start realizing that failure is not an option (which is not the reason why girls are so motivated).

I know that when I was your age, I was very scatterbrained and had "trouble" memorizing.

It wasn't trouble, my friend, but just a lack of discipline and lack of motivation in studying so hard. But I don't blame myself nor should you. I wasn't "lazy" ---- I just couldn't study large amounts of orgo for instance without sighing and agonizing over every second in teh subject. I mean, to go from our public schooling system which have laughable educational standards to college where it's all hard work to medical school which is even harder work can be certainly shocking as it seems to be the case for you (not saying that you coasted along in college, but you certainly were in shock once you got hit with factoid-heavy classes).

As you get older that tends to change and you just get better at doing boring mundane work. That's a part of growing up.

In any case, I wouldn't take it so personally kid (I know that is probably next to impossible though in your shoes right now), and I don't see you as a failure at all. You're still plenty young to go for medicine again if you want, or to go on a different career if need be, just don't throw in the towel on life and never give up.

I DO think you deserve a second chance. I mean it was first semester, come on, I don't believe that one semester is enough to prove yourself.

Maybe you didn't make a strong enough case and you backed down. Premeds and med. students are, in general, very timid creatures. So maybe you should fight harder and fight for your right to get a second chance. I know I would if I was in your shoes.

And don't ever let them make you think that you aren't cut out for medicine. That is just... not TRUE.

Fight my friend, fight for your life and never back down.

Best of luck,
Mister T, Former Member of the A-Team
 
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First year here. I was dismissed after I failed everything first semester. I don't know what it is with me that I can't memorize anything. I attend all classes but find myself zoning out and not being "there" the whole time. Then I get home and I'm exhausted after labs that I start to study and can't retain anything.

It really sucks when you work most of your life toward a specific goal and you get so close and you end up as one of the 2% who actually fail out of med school. I've wanted to be a doctor for so long that I don't know what to do now that I can't.

There's your problem, right there. Med school is about time management, and the two biggest ways to waste your time are 1, going to class and 2, going to lab. Yes, even anatomy lab. Study at home 8 hours a day, and go to anatomy/neuroanatomy REVIEW sessions M1 year. If you went to a school with some ridiculous mandatory attendance policy, find another school.
 
There's your problem, right there. Med school is about time management, and the two biggest ways to waste your time are 1, going to class and 2, going to lab. Yes, even anatomy lab. Study at home 8 hours a day, and go to anatomy/neuroanatomy REVIEW sessions M1 year. If you went to a school with some ridiculous mandatory attendance policy, find another school.

I second this. Going to class left me so tired that at the end of the day I hadn't really learned anything and had nothing left to study. I stopped going to class and now I have the energy to study because I wake up later and go at my own pace rather than trying to keep up with someone reading slides off to me. Only problem is my school usually likes to give some points to those who show up by making 5-10% of the grade attendance, which I find really stupid. It's med school; we should be getting brownie points just for showing up to laugh at some professors lame ass jokes about liver cirrhosis.
 
You might consider talking with a physician and having them run labs to see if you are having any sort of medical issue making you tired (anemia, hypothyroid, etc). I did fine in my first block but then started getting exhausted and my grades started falling. I found out over Christmas break that I had hypothyroidism and once on meds for a month my grades have jumped back up to my first block averages (or higher) which has been good. I know several people in my class have been tired and didn't have a condition but I was having issues with memory, exhaustion, etc. Once my school found out what was going on they helped me find a specialist and have been great on helping me get through this time.
 
There's your problem, right there. Med school is about time management, and the two biggest ways to waste your time are 1, going to class and 2, going to lab. Yes, even anatomy lab. Study at home 8 hours a day, and go to anatomy/neuroanatomy REVIEW sessions M1 year. If you went to a school with some ridiculous mandatory attendance policy, find another school.


i agree 100% about class and disagree 100% about anatomy lab. its quite a useful learning tool, at least for me.
 
i agree 100% about class and disagree 100% about anatomy lab. its quite a useful learning tool, at least for me.

i second this. I don't go to class and do fine. class is a waste of time. i think time spent in anatomy lab is directly related to how well you do in the lab portion of your anatomy test.
 
To the OP, I was once in the very same situation as you and was left feeling as though there was no hope for me. I still had the desire to become a physician but unfortunately I guess I was just not quite ready for the rigors of medical school. I was young and not quite prepared for the mental and emotional demands that were placed upon me at that time. I was told by many that my chances of getting back into a medical school would be slim to none. I decided not to listen to them and to forge ahead and fight for what I wanted. However, it took me some time to get to this point because I knew I had to address and fix the problems that kept me from succeeding in medical school the first time. Now, I am currently a 3rd year at an US allopathic medical school, got over 250 on my boards and have done very well in all my courses and rotations. I just wanted to let you know that if becoming a physician is really and truly what you want, there is still light at the end of the tunnel. But first, you must figure out what is holding you back right now. Figure out what your weaknesses are and I am not talking about academic weaknesses, I am talking about figuring out whether you have the mental and emotional maturity at this time to deal with medical school. Address whatever problems you may be having, try your best to resolve them and then fight for your dream!
I just wanted to let you know that it IS possible!
 
sad, but true.

Op, they won't give you any other change to redeem yourself? I had a friend who failed a few classes the first block and was given a chance to redeem himself over the summer.

I suspect that you are a male (like myself), and WE, in general, ARE NOT DETAIL ORIENTED by nature. Women, on the other hand, tend to have more developed frontal lobes and are thus better at organization, detail work and what not. It's a big reason why so many girls are ahead in the classroom where "hard work" is graded more heavily than "intelligence" unless you're in the hard sciences. It's also a reason why girls now constitute 50% or more in med. classes and in other professions given equal opportunities for education. Sorry guys, but we really are behind girls when it comes to the class room, and I don't think there is much that can be done to change that, you just have to wait as you get older and start realizing that failure is not an option (which is not the reason why girls are so motivated).

I know that when I was your age, I was very scatterbrained and had "trouble" memorizing.

It wasn't trouble, my friend, but just a lack of discipline and lack of motivation in studying so hard. But I don't blame myself nor should you. I wasn't "lazy" ---- I just couldn't study large amounts of orgo for instance without sighing and agonizing over every second in teh subject. I mean, to go from our public schooling system which have laughable educational standards to college where it's all hard work to medical school which is even harder work can be certainly shocking as it seems to be the case for you (not saying that you coasted along in college, but you certainly were in shock once you got hit with factoid-heavy classes).

As you get older that tends to change and you just get better at doing boring mundane work. That's a part of growing up.

In any case, I wouldn't take it so personally kid (I know that is probably next to impossible though in your shoes right now), and I don't see you as a failure at all. You're still plenty young to go for medicine again if you want, or to go on a different career if need be, just don't throw in the towel on life and never give up.

I DO think you deserve a second chance. I mean it was first semester, come on, I don't believe that one semester is enough to prove yourself.

Maybe you didn't make a strong enough case and you backed down. Premeds and med. students are, in general, very timid creatures. So maybe you should fight harder and fight for your right to get a second chance. I know I would if I was in your shoes.

And don't ever let them make you think that you aren't cut out for medicine. That is just... not TRUE.

Fight my friend, fight for your life and never back down.

Best of luck,
Mister T, Former Member of the A-Team

Listen to him! I would have loved to have heard these encouraging words back when I was going through the same thing! What he is saying is true too...Don't ever let someone tell you that you are not cut out for medicine and always FIGHT back when they do!
 
OP, i hope you do go talk with your adviser or something.
i failed an exam in the first semester because i was going through some family issues that were just.. completely killing me and i couldnt think about anything else until we got better news right before christmas. i thought i would do fine on the exam but totally bombed it, but I went to speak with the course director AS SOON AS I FOUND OUT I FAILED and we spoke about the next exam, what to do if i fail again, and just a few ways to help make it through... but i think it was key that i went to speak with them as soon as i saw that my issues were affected my grades so extremely.

i wish i had more advice for you.. i wish you all the best.
oh! i do agree to usuallly going to lectures is a waste of time. if anything I am finding that listening to lectures AFTER ive read the material once makes them so much better and worthwhile because i am listening for the things said that are not in the book as opposed to trying to write down every single word the lecturer is saying because i am not familiar with the topic.

i do wish i spent more time in teh anatomy lab. we have lab 2-3 times a week for 1.5 hours and are told that we should be going in on our own another 2 times a week.. well i never go in the other 2 times a week because i live off campus and i definitely feel worse off for the rpactical.. thankfully, i dont really like anatomy, dont really care if i only pass the lab exam.. heh

dont give up OP!!!!
 
Have you gone through your school's appeals process? People do win appeals sometimes. If you really were struggling (and not just kicking back) and if you can make a case for seeking help, you might have a chance at being re-instated.

Best of luck! I know you're going through a tough time right now. I hope it all works out for you.
 
I just opened a thread about having to repeat first year. I failed every course in the first semester and they offered to let me repeat the first year. How could a US MD school simply kick you out if you do bad in the first semester? Did they give you alternatives?

:luck:
 
I just opened a thread about having to repeat first year. I failed every course in the first semester and they offered to let me repeat the first year. How could a US MD school simply kick you out if you do bad in the first semester? Did they give you alternatives?

:luck:

There are many reasons why a student would be dismissed rather than allowed to simply repeat the year. One of the reasons would be failure of too many courses or other reasons that we don't know (and don't want to know). At any rate, schools do not merely dismiss students without a sound reason. Most will work with students who are struggling to prevent dismissal but the student has to initiate the process long before the dismissal.

Options left to the OP of this thread:
  • See what rules of readmission exist for your school. Just about every US medical school has a readmission policy.
  • Contact your school's administration and see if there are some things that you can do right now to enhance your chances of readmission.
  • Figure out why you failed so many courses and take ownership for your actions and performance.
 
Dear OP,

I am so sorry this has happened to you. I know it must be frustrating to try your very best, only to get a failing grade in your classes, and ultimately a dismissal. (A dismissal after the first semester is quite harsh, IMHO.)

From your story, it seems you would have been better suited to studying at home (vs going to classes) and doing less activities that were draining. It seems also that better time management and a more strategic approach to tackling the vast amount of information might have helped. But I am sure you tried everything you could to do better.

Medicine involves a lot of memorization and some people are better at it than others. You were able to memorize enough information to do well in undergrad and to do well enough on the MCAT to enter medical school. This means you CAN memorize, and probably didn't get a chance to use a learning style/technique that would have been more appropriate for you.

I agree with the posters that you should get tested for a learning disability or to determine your learning style. I also agree that a more proactive (and enthusiastic) you might make it easier for the administration to take you back. It's easy for them to give up on you if you've already given up on yourself.

I would also assume that there are some personal issues you have chosen not to share with us. That is ok, but please get help for those too. Things such as family issues, maturity, emotional stability, depression, etc can come into play.

This is not the end. Keep fighting and surround yourself with a lot of supportive people. This too shall pass.
 
It sucks I'm sorry. Just gotta keep your head up, figure out where you went wrong, take some time off to correct those errors, and try again. Maybe talk to a counselor at the school or the dean and see what they can do for you. Good luck.
 
OP, dont be too hard on yourself. Dont quit! As corny as it is, just remember: if you believe you can do it, then you can do it. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. I too was in your boat last year. Went to class EVERYDAY and didn't come home till like 5pm (after labs and stuff) and passed out. The school sent me to a bunch of learning specialists and psychologist and even psychiatrist. But you know what? They all didn't know anything! You made it into medical school! You DONT have a learning disability! Just prioritize your classes and SIT DOWN and study 8+ hrs/day. This year I don't go to classes anymore. Wake up at 9am, watch tv, eat lunch. Open my books around 1pm and study until 5pm. Dinner, tv and start studying again around 8pm to 12am. Total hours studying? Around 8hrs. How am I doing? Well, currently I am ranked #1 in my class. I do go over the material like 3-4x before the exam.
 
OP, dont be too hard on yourself. Dont quit! As corny as it is, just remember: if you believe you can do it, then you can do it. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. I too was in your boat last year. Went to class EVERYDAY and didn't come home till like 5pm (after labs and stuff) and passed out. The school sent me to a bunch of learning specialists and psychologist and even psychiatrist. But you know what? They all didn't know anything! You made it into medical school! You DONT have a learning disability! Just prioritize your classes and SIT DOWN and study 8+ hrs/day. This year I don't go to classes anymore. Wake up at 9am, watch tv, eat lunch. Open my books around 1pm and study until 5pm. Dinner, tv and start studying again around 8pm to 12am. Total hours studying? Around 8hrs. How am I doing? Well, currently I am ranked #1 in my class. I do go over the material like 3-4x before the exam.

I am not bashing your achievements or anything but do you think any of your success has to do with the fact that this is your 2nd time seeing the information? Do you think you will be successful during 2nd year as you are currently considering it will be your 1st time in those classes?
 
If you are failing every course then you have some issues you need to work out. The first year is a lot of work, but only because it is a different intensity. The material isn't difficult. Only thing I can say is get tested for learning disabilities and find out how to study better. I don't know any of the details behind your story but if you were proactive about it and talking to people before/as things were happening rather than after, then they tend to be more lenient....

YES. I have heard this from a few profs. Get help early. And do not hesitate to get help.

Sorry to hear about your situation, OP. Maybe you can make a strong case for improvement and repeat the first year?
 
one can get kicked otu of med school for academic failure????

ethical violations or patient harm i can definitely understand but if they just kicked out TS without even giving him time off or help once a pattern started developing...
 
one can get kicked otu of med school for academic failure????

ethical violations or patient harm i can definitely understand but if they just kicked out TS without even giving him time off or help once a pattern started developing...

yeah, couldn't help but think the same thing...

I can understand ethical violations, but kicking someone out after the FIRST semester of medical school just for failing is something I've never heard of. I don't care if they failed everything - at my school, we only had two courses under our belt by the end of first semester. The first course is anatomy, which 10-15% of the class (if not more) either had to remediate or even retake.

For someone to be able to get into a U.S. allopathic school these days is proof enough that they can hack it. Something just doesn't add up at all.

I'm guessing the OP went to the carib though... or is leaving something out...
 
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well since all we know is that you failed everything, i think the school did the right thing.

if you can't pass anatomy and molecular biology or whatever then medical school will be too much for you and besides we're not building widgets here, we're making decisions about medical care and that demands competence.
 
one can get kicked otu of med school for academic failure????

ethical violations or patient harm i can definitely understand but if they just kicked out TS without even giving him time off or help once a pattern started developing...

At most US allo schools they give some opportunity to re-mediate, which may include repeating the year over. The fact that this isn't happening suggests that there is something being left out of this story, or that the OP isn't attending a US allo school.

Different study techniques work for some people but not others. I think the knee-jerk responses of folks saying "just stop attending lectures" and things will get better are not well targeted here. For every person who does better by not attending class, there is someone who would benefit from the added structure and a reason to get up in the morning. At my med school most of the class experimented with not attending class at some point during the first two years; for some it worked, for others the results proved disastrous. At the end about half of the class were back in attendance. You have to know yourself. I kind of doubt that anyone call tell from OPs post whether this is someone who would benefit from studying on his/her own, or whether this would simply mean the person fails all his courses by a greater margin. You only find this out by experimenting with it; it is bad practice to assume everyone learns as effectively the same way and worse form to assure them in a post they will benefit from the path you took.

In most cases the techniques that you perfected for yourself only work as well for yourself. If everyone followed the techniques of every person who espoused a winning game plan for med school on SDN, most of us would be in the same position as the OP. There is no magic bullet, no panacea, no cure all. You need to find what works for you, and that can either be studying on your own, or attending every lecture -- you simply can't say one beats the other because for every person for whom your statement is true, there's going to be someone for whom this is exactly the wrong advice. The smartest thing you can do in med school is keep your eyes on your own plate and not focus on what other people are doing.
 
I don't know what school the OP goes to, but I know that some osteopathic schools will kick students out after the first semester of the first year. This is the case with someone on the DO forum right now so it happens and not just in the Caribbean.

I have a friend at a U.S. allo school and she said their policy is one class failed means summer remediation. Two classes failed means repeating first year. Three classes failed means dismissal. If you have three classes within the first semester, it is possible to get dismissed first semester so the OP could very well be at a U.S. allo school with a similar policy.
 
I don't know what school the OP goes to, but I know that some osteopathic schools will kick students out after the first semester of the first year. This is the case with someone on the DO forum right now so it happens and not just in the Caribbean.

I have a friend at a U.S. allo school and she said their policy is one class failed means summer remediation. Two classes failed means repeating first year. Three classes failed means dismissal. If you have three classes within the first semester, it is possible to get dismissed first semester so the OP could very well be at a U.S. allo school with a similar policy.

I just read my school's policy, and that's exactly what their policy is, but it seems like they've never really used it word by word, i.e. they'll let them remediate the first year no matter how bad it was, as long as they've found out what went wrong, or are in the process of doing so. I can't be positive, but I looked at the the # of people who graduate over 4 years, 5 years, etc, and it doesn't seem logical that they would be kicking out people like that with such high graduation rates.
 
I'm not so certain that if OP's medical school threw him out, that he'd have a better chance at getting into a DO school than MD.

Carribean school? Possibly. But this issue will come up when he applies for residencies because they will want to know what happened.

OP, you need to figure out your true motivation behind pursuing medicine. Obviously, you weren't motivated enough to study hard and get a passing grade.

Did you try NOT going to lectures and studying on your own? I can't attend lecture because I tend to "zone out" too so I do the next best thing (the better option, in my opinion) and study on my own listening to lecture recordings at my own convenience.

Anyway, you need to do some soul-searching. Medicine is a vast field that you don't have to go to medical school and become a doctor to enjoy what it has to offer.
I'm going to have to agree with this. The person talked about a few posts up from my reply was at a reputable school, in the "top echelon" of DO schools and is now going to RVU (ick). He did a lot to remediate his problem and still got a poor option.
 
assuming you are not a troll and this is a legit post, you may consider visiting a physician for a basic workup for fatigue/depression. you could have a medical problem. this would certainly be taken into consideration if you continue to pursue medicine.
 
Sounds like a learning disability...in which case, maybe you could go talk to your school and find out if readmission is a possibility?
 
I don't know what school the OP goes to, but I know that some osteopathic schools will kick students out after the first semester of the first year. This is the case with someone on the DO forum right now so it happens and not just in the Caribbean.

I have a friend at a U.S. allo school and she said their policy is one class failed means summer remediation. Two classes failed means repeating first year. Three classes failed means dismissal. If you have three classes within the first semester, it is possible to get dismissed first semester so the OP could very well be at a U.S. allo school with a similar policy.

Yes, I know of several cases (osteopathic schools) where students were given no 2nd chances. The above quote is accurate, I believe.

At my DO school, we had a class called "Personal Wellness". There was only one exam, with ~20 questions, and a bunch of the class struck out. A group got t-shirts printed up emblazoned with "I Flunked Personal Wellness". I don't know if they still offer that course, but I bet they have more than one weirdly-phrased 20-question quiz now. They made an exception for that group, regarding the harsh rules for getting held back or getting dismissed, since so many had bombed. During 2nd year, they put a smaller group on academic probation, if they failed more than 2 out of ~8 tests in one course, even if their overall average in the class was 90%+. The tests were short / multiple choice / so it was pretty easy to flunk. Then, the "academic probation" and a grade of 70% was the best you could earn for your transcript, no matter how well you did on the make-ups. This was the old days, but I know of more recent cases at a different DO school where you were in big trouble even if almost passing 2 classes.
 
Yes, I know of several cases (osteopathic schools) where students were given no 2nd chances. The above quote is accurate, I believe.

At my DO school, we had a class called "Personal Wellness". There was only one exam, with ~20 questions, and a bunch of the class struck out. A group got t-shirts printed up emblazoned with "I Flunked Personal Wellness". I don't know if they still offer that course, but I bet they have more than one weirdly-phrased 20-question quiz now. They made an exception for that group, regarding the harsh rules for getting held back or getting dismissed, since so many had bombed. During 2nd year, they put a smaller group on academic probation, if they failed more than 2 out of ~8 tests in one course, even if their overall average in the class was 90%+. The tests were short / multiple choice / so it was pretty easy to flunk. Then, the "academic probation" and a grade of 70% was the best you could earn for your transcript, no matter how well you did on the make-ups. This was the old days, but I know of more recent cases at a different DO school where you were in big trouble even if almost passing 2 classes.


you really needed to resurrect a 6 month old thread for that?
 
First year here. I was dismissed after I failed everything first semester. I don't know what it is with me that I can't memorize anything. I attend all classes but find myself zoning out and not being "there" the whole time. Then I get home and I'm exhausted after labs that I start to study and can't retain anything.

It really sucks when you work most of your life toward a specific goal and you get so close and you end up as one of the 2% who actually fail out of med school. I've wanted to be a doctor for so long that I don't know what to do now that I can't.

hello, would you mind to update which route you took? Since 7 years have gone by, did you become a physician? Either way, would you mind to share your story for others to learn? thanks.
 
hello, would you mind to update which route you took? Since 7 years have gone by, did you become a physician? Either way, would you mind to share your story for others to learn? thanks.

The chance that OP, who failed out of medical school 7 years ago and has only posted on this website once, is still browsing SDN are extremely low.
 
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