Disparity in acceptances between Men and Women

[907914]

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I have noticed a trend looking at the new MSAR data in disparities of acceptances in that there appears to be many more schools who have a significant bias towards matriculating female applicants. There are many schools that have more men than women, but these tend to run a lot closer to 50%. There are some schools in particular where there are extreme disparities between matriculants (ie. UMich has 59 men and 109 women on this last reported MSAR).

Is this due to selection bias by ADCOMs on who gets admitted, selection bias by applicants who tend to favor one type of school/curriculum over another, or some other example?

 

[965978]

MSAR shows those who attended, not acceptances.

UMichigan has quite a liberal and PC culture, which I would assume naturally attracts more women than men (based on statistical studies).

Although, being a liberal man myself who has visited the medical campus at UMichigan, I really like it there 🙂

 

[965978]

There has been an marked increase in females as a percentage of the applicant pool. In short, more women are being accepted because more women are applying. This is simply demographics

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Also because women are much more mature. And better human beings in general. I mean...... all wars and bloodshed have been created by men! I'm a man so I can't get bashed for saying this LOL

 

[lalalallala]

2018 data:

"For the first time since 2004, more women than men applied to U.S. medical schools, comprising 50.9% of applicants. Women were also the majority of matriculants (new enrollees) to medical school for the second year in a row (51.6% versus 50.7% in 2017)."

source: Women Were Majority of U.S. Medical School Applicants in 2018

This doesn't explain why some schools have large differences in men vs females like UMich and UMD. I would be interested to hear from ADCOMs what the thinking is behind making a class have 59 men and 109 women

 

[whorobbedthewoods]

At my state school (Maryland), the split the past couple years has been like 90-something women to 60-something men. On my interview day, the admissions dean told us that this was not conscious or intentional, that they simply selected the applicants they felt were most qualified and that's how the numbers shook out in the end.

 

[907914]

At my state school (Maryland), the split the past couple years has been like 90-something women to 60-something men. On my interview day, the admissions dean told us that this was not conscious or intentional, that they simply selected the applicants they felt were most qualified and that's how the numbers shook out in the end.

Both of my state schools have also been >60% women the last 3 years...Both also have a heavy primary care and “stay in our state” focus.

 

[Isoval]

There has been an marked increase in females as a percentage of the applicant pool. In short, more women are being accepted because more women are applying. This is simply demographics

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Clicked on this thread to say basically this.

There are now more females than males applying to medical school. Logic follows that there are more females being accepted to medical school than males.

I will concede that there's a slightly higher admit rate (like half of a percent?) of females to males, at least in Texas (because that's the data with which I'm most familiar), but this is likely normal variance. I do not believe there is any ulterior motive here.

 

[907914]

There has been an marked increase in females as a percentage of the applicant pool. In short, more women are being accepted because more women are applying. This is simply demographics

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Thank you for the data, however 50.7% is still fairly close to 50/50 and does not explain the large disparity of many medical schools that are >60% women. There are a few that are unbalanced to that degree with men, but those are mostly in small class sizes...not disparities of several dozen students.

 

[907914]

Clicked on this thread to say basically this.

There are now more females than males applying to medical school. Logic follows that there are more females being accepted to medical school than males.

I will concede that there's a slightly higher admit rate (like half of a percent?) of females to males, at least in Texas (because that's the data with which I'm most familiar), but this is likely normal variance. I do not believe there is any ulterior motive here.

I would be curious if there is a preferential selection (unintentionally, just based on region and program) of higher females in rural areas or higher primary care focus?

 

[Isoval]

I would be curious if there is a preferential selection (unintentionally, just based on region and program) of higher females in rural areas or higher primary care focus?

Can't say, but I haven't really seen an example of a school that's wildly disproportionate to the applicant pool. If that is the case, it's going to be due simply to more females applying to/in that area.

 

[Trollest]

Not quite true. If you go back in history, you'd see that there was a woman behind each of those wars. That medieval p*** was something my friend.

Also because women are much more mature. And better human beings in general. I mean...... all wars and bloodshed have been created by men! I'm a man so I can't get bashed for saying this LOL

 

[Isoval]

I would be curious if there is a preferential selection (unintentionally, just based on region and program) of higher females in rural areas or higher primary care focus?

These are the A&M veterinary school statistics. This probably exemplifies what you have in mind.

 

[whorobbedthewoods]

Both of my state schools have also been >60% women the last 3 years...Both also have a heavy primary care and “stay in our state” focus.

Yeah, I'd be interested to know if that plays a role. Are women more likely to choose primary care specialties? I might tend to make that assumption through lazy intuition, but I don't know the data. Meanwhile here I am a chick who wants to do underserved primary care...and UMD waitlisted my ***

 

[907914]

Can't say, but I haven't really seen an example of a school that's wildly disproportionate to the applicant pool. If that is the case, it's going to be due simply to more females applying to/in that area.

The example in the post was Umich (109 v 59)

Yeah, I'd be interested to know if that plays a role. Are women more likely to choose primary care specialties? I might tend to make that assumption through lazy intuition, but I don't know the data. Meanwhile here I am a chick who wants to do underserved primary care...and UMD waitlisted my ***

it also might be interesting to see the data on who applies where. Just because as many women/more women are applying than men does not mean that they are applying to the same number of places or applying to the same locals.

 

[Isoval]

The example in the post was Umich (109 v 59)

it also might be interesting to see the data on who applies where. Just because as many women/more women are applying than men does not mean that they are applying to the same number of places or applying to the same locals.

Wow, that's pretty bad.

 

[puahate]

Makes sense though. More women applicants. Probably due to more women college graduates of recent

 

[Phoebus Apollo]

Yeah, I'd be interested to know if that plays a role. Are women more likely to choose primary care specialties? I might tend to make that assumption through lazy intuition, but I don't know the data. Meanwhile here I am a chick who wants to do underserved primary care...and UMD waitlisted my ***

Just looked up UW in the MSAR to continue our hypothesis (re: women gravitating toward schools with underserved/primary care focus) and indeed the University of Washington’s M1 class is 119 men and 152 women.

This is my opinion/musings... but I’d be shocked if this disparity didn’t have anything to do with the way women are (often) socialized to go into caretaking fields. I regularly think about how medicine can be a particularly attractive field for women because we’re allowed to be ambitious while also fulfilling our social ~obligation~ as caretakers (I say this with only a pinch of salt).

My 2 cents: schools with a particular focus on the underserved will probably attract tons more women because from an early age women are taught to care for others, and to make that a priority in their careers. UMich and UW are both stunning examples of this.

(Also, I 100% own up to the fact that this is all my speculation!)

 

[drdpmn]

My school's incoming class in 2017 was something like 53% women. For 2018 it is only about 43% women. Over the course of years I believe it roughly balances out. It's impossible to ensure that every individual med school class is 50/50.

 

[dr_kateb]

Women typically try harder in school and therefore do better and boys are doing worse than girls in school in general, not just med school acceptance.

I checked out my school's GPA study and Greek Life GPA report and the women have a higher GPA by about .25.

 

[965978]

Women typically try harder in school and therefore do better and boys are doing worse than girls in school in general, not just med school acceptance.

I checked out my school's GPA study and Greek Life GPA report and the women have a higher GPA by about .25.

(Most) Sororities are actually beneficial and provide benefit to the women in them.

(Most) Fraternities are just organized drunkenness (I’ve pledged a couple, I would know).

 

[907914]

(Most) Sororities are actually beneficial and provide benefit to the women in them.

(Most) Fraternities are just organized drunkenness (I’ve pledged a couple, I would know).

Hey, the best kind of drunkenness is the organized kind!

I was going to say this same thing, though. Sororities actually so productive things...fraternities are for parties and networking (both general statements)

 

[965978]

Hey, the best kind of drunkenness is the organized kind!

I was going to say this same thing, though. Sororities actually so productive things...fraternities are for parties and networking (both general statements)

Frats are getting bigger and bigger in order to bring in money to pay ongoing lawsuits. Makes the networking aspect useless.

My roommate was a Kappa Sigma chapter lead and he told me this verbatim...

 

[dr_kateb]

(Most) Sororities are actually beneficial and provide benefit to the women in them.

(Most) Fraternities are just organized drunkenness (I’ve pledged a couple, I would know).

Both have GPA floors and kick members out if they don't keep their GPA up. I guess it depends on the school but there are plenty of vain airhead sorority girls at my school. I'd have to agree with the frats though. Most of my high school friends joined one and I've been to their house(s) and the amount of beer cans just scattered around is ridiculous.

 

[965978]

Both have GPA floors and kick members out if they don't keep their GPA up. I guess it depends on the school but there are plenty of vain airhead sorority girls at my school. I'd have to agree with the frats though. Most of my high school friends joined one and I've been to their house(s) and the amount of beer cans just scattered around is ridiculous.

What are the GPA floors though? Most universities have inflation with the avg. university-wide GPA around a 3.1 so having a 2.5 GPA cutoff isn’t really saying much.

 

[965978]

Both have GPA floors and kick members out if they don't keep their GPA up. I guess it depends on the school but there are plenty of vain airhead sorority girls at my school. I'd have to agree with the frats though. Most of my high school friends joined one and I've been to their house(s) and the amount of beer cans just scattered around is ridiculous.

Idk if you’ve noticed but all the mean sorority girls at my school came from one sorority.

 

[907914]

Both have GPA floors and kick members out if they don't keep their GPA up. I guess it depends on the school but there are plenty of vain airhead sorority girls at my school. I'd have to agree with the frats though. Most of my high school friends joined one and I've been to their house(s) and the amount of beer cans just scattered around is ridiculous.

Join the fraternity of fatherhood. Instead of beer cans everywhere, it’s goldfish crackers and baby shark dodo dodo do.

 

[965978]

Join the fraternity of fatherhood. Instead of beer cans everywhere, it’s goldfish crackers and baby shark dodo dodo do.

I always daydream about being a dad and having a precious baby girl 🙂

But I’m at a very far far far point from becoming one haha

 

[dr_kateb]

What are the GPA floors though? Most universities have inflation with the avg. university-wide GPA around a 3.1 so having a 2.5 GPA cutoff isn’t really saying much.

They're pretty much the minimum GPA a bro/sis can have for whatever chapter they're in. If they don't keep their GPA above that then they get kicked out or suspended or something. It's I would hope higher than the university limit for academic probation.

Idk if you’ve noticed but all the mean sorority girls at my school came from one sorority.

No sorority girl has been mean to me, atleast that I know of - they usually wear their letters every damn day so I think I'd notice. And mean girls still exist in college....?

 

[darkeon]

Yes, more women are graduating from college and with higher GPAs then men.

 

[965978]

They're pretty much the minimum GPA a bro/sis can have for whatever chapter they're in. If they don't keep their GPA above that then they get kicked out or suspended or something. It's I would hope higher than the university limit for academic probation.



No sorority girl has been mean to me, atleast that I know of - they usually wear their letters every damn day so I think I'd notice. And mean girls still exist in college....?

Mean girls are everywhere

 

[907914]

Mean girls are everywhere

That’s why her hair is so big. It’s full of secrets.

 

[965978]

They're pretty much the minimum GPA a bro/sis can have for whatever chapter they're in. If they don't keep their GPA above that then they get kicked out or suspended or something. It's I would hope higher than the university limit for academic probation.

Lol I wasn’t asking what the definition is. I was asking where the cutoff usually is. At my uni most of them were 2.5ish

 

[907914]

Frats are getting bigger and bigger in order to bring in money to pay ongoing lawsuits. Makes the networking aspect useless.

My roommate was a Kappa Sigma chapter lead and he told me this verbatim...

I constantly get emails to “Join the largest Fraternity in America.” A) I am married and have a child, stop sending these to me and B) Why would I want to join the largest? Doesn’t that mean you are not very selective?

 

[965978]

Doesn’t that mean you are not very selective?

Dude that’s how I feel about your “like” pattern. You like pretty much every post you see 😛

Lol jk. I secretly like the attention tbh 😳

 

[907914]

Dude that’s how I feel about your “like” pattern. You like pretty much every post you see 😛

Lol jk. I secretly like the attention tbh 😳

Nah, I just spend way more time on SDN than need be and the like signifies acknowledgment and/or agreeing.

 

[ginsengreset]

If there is a nearly 50/50 across the entire matriculant pool, then any series of schools with 60% or more females must be balanced with a series of schools that, in the aggregate, have more males than females.

That may be true, but if it's because there are 2 schools that are 70% female balanced out by 40 schools that are 49% female, then that's still an interesting phenomenon deserving of discussion.