DO and DO residency for spine orthopaedics?

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I'm wondering if DOs who do their ortho residency as DO can do spine surgery in practice as well? is spine a specialty? Can you get ur fellowship in spine at an allo school if u went to DO residency? JW if spinal surgery is possible.

thanks.

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I'm wondering if DOs who do their ortho residency as DO can do spine surgery in practice as well? is spine a specialty? Can you get ur fellowship in spine at an allo school if u went to DO residency? JW if spinal surgery is possible.

thanks.

My gut tells me that you can do something like that after residency; it just might depend on individual programs.
 
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--You can do a spinal surgery fellowship after completion of an orthopaedic surgery residency or a neurosurgery residency.

--You receive general spinal training during orthopaedic surgery residency, along with general training on the rest of the bones/body.

--You can do a non-surgical spinal fellowship as a physiatrist (physical medicine and rehab).

--As far as being eligible for an ACGME (MD) fellowship after an AOA (DO) residency, I'm not sure. You'll have to dig a little deeper or hope someone more knowledgeable lends some insight. I think this can vary by subspecialty field.
 
Chocolate Bear is correct.

To make matters interesting, none of the spine surgery boards are formally recognized by the ABMS (American Board of Medical Specialties). However, the American Board of Spine Surgery is the closest to "board certification" and is recognized by the industry as the board for spine.

In order to qualify for the certification examination, you must have passed either the American Board of Neurological Surgery or American Board of Orthopedic Surgery. In order to be eligible to sit for those boards, you must have completed an ACGME residency in either neurosurgery or orthopedic surgery.

Currently the American Osteopathic Board of Orthopedic Surgery only certifies general orthopedic surgery.

The question is: if you do an AOA orthopedic surgery residency and then an ACGME spine fellowship - although you cannot sit for the ABSS certification exam, will you still be recognized as a spine surgeon? That I do not know.

Some websites that might interest you

http://www.aobos.org/
http://www.americanboardofspinesurgery.org/
https://www.abos.org/ModDefault.aspx
http://www.abms.org/
 
You can do a spine fellowship after an AOA ortho residency. I know of two seniors right now that are doing spine this coming July. One at Hopkins, the other at Mayo.
 
You can do a spine fellowship after an AOA ortho residency. I know of two seniors right now that are doing spine this coming July. One at Hopkins, the other at Mayo.

This is coming from a student who, unless I am mistaken, just landed an AOA ortho residency as well. So ... this is the true advice ! 👍
 
You can do a spine fellowship after an AOA ortho residency. I know of two seniors right now that are doing spine this coming July. One at Hopkins, the other at Mayo.

Does this mean that their services will be recognized by the board? But since the board isn't truly even an offcially recognized board-based on previous posts, will it even matter?

Mayo and Johns Hopkins are pretty impressive. Is it difficult to land these fellowship posts? Also, how long is spine? So basically 4 years residency + w/e spine fellowships?

Is fellowship more important than residency in terms of where the best training comes from?
 
Its just extra training. Its not always more important, but it gives you an edge and the experience to cater your practice towards a specific speciality. Some will only work within that subspecialty while others use it as an area to gain experience in something they enjoy. I know an orthopedic surgeon that did a fellowship in foot and ankle, but his practice was largely general ortho. Along the same lines, my dad did a fellowship in cardiovascular radiology but he largely did general rads stuff with a few more procedures than usual. The ideal residency program will teach you everything you need to know to do anything you encounter, but this is the real world. In order to strengthen the parts you are weak in, get privileges/academic positions, have the edge over your competition, and to just be a better doctor you can choose to pursue a fellowship. Plenty of people don't pursue them and do fine. I'm sure there are orthopedic surgeons somewhere in the country that do spine stuff without the fellowship. I know many neurosurgery people don't pursue the fellowship. They feel comfortable enough without it oftentimes.
 
Does this mean that their services will be recognized by the board? But since the board isn't truly even an offcially recognized board-based on previous posts, will it even matter?

Mayo and Johns Hopkins are pretty impressive. Is it difficult to land these fellowship posts? Also, how long is spine? So basically 4 years residency + w/e spine fellowships?

Is fellowship more important than residency in terms of where the best training comes from?

Not sure about the board stuff. Just looked up a DO ortho that did a spine fellowship at UPenn that I rotated with...doesn't say anything about board certified in that.

Ortho is 5 years, not 4.

MD ortho fellowships are there for the taking. Its getting into ortho thats hard. Whereas for example, IM is relatively easier to get into but fellowships such as cards are often quite difficult to get.
 
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