DO and Hospitalists

[eckz2k]

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I agree that this discussion is pointless and the argument that "DO's are any less of physicians than MD's" has little to no substance. However, I wanted to know if the ACGME programs discriminate against applicants from DO schools with competitive stats. That is, say I was applying to a neurosurgery residency with stats comparable to those of the MD applicants, would I be overlooked because of the type of degree I hold?

 

[csmittyB]

I agree that this discussion is pointless and the argument that "DO's are any less of physicians than MD's" has little to no substance. However, I wanted to know if the ACGME programs discriminate against applicants from DO schools with competitive stats. That is, say I was applying to a neurosurgery residency with stats comparable to those of the MD applicants, would I be overlooked because of the type of degree I hold?

Possibly.

 

[beckhunter116]

Possibly.

Well I think we should qualify that a little and say that for the very competitive specialities, yes you probably will be at a disadvantage. However, there are AOA Neurosurgery residencies. For anything primary care, EM, psych, neurology, anes, and pm&r as long as you apply and rank a good number you will probably match at an ACGME residency.

 

[scpod]

Well I think we should qualify that a little and say that for the very competitive specialities, yes you probably will be at a disadvantage. However, there are AOA Neurosurgery residencies. For anything primary care, EM, psych, neurology, anes, and pm&r as long as you apply and rank a good number you will probably match at an ACGME residency.

Remember, though, that it is not impossible because DOs have matched at ACGME neurosurgery residencies before. But, they were the number one student in their school and scored in the 99th percentile on USMLE Step I and II. Example here. Of course, if you look at the MDs in the same class, they ALSO were number one in their school and scored in the 99th percentile of USMLE Step I and II. You don't get neurosurgery, MD or DO, unless you have god-like status.

 

[beckhunter116]

Remember, though, that it is not impossible because DOs have matched at ACGME neurosurgery residencies before. But, they were the number one student in their school and scored in the 99th percentile on USMLE Step I and II. Example here. Of course, if you look at the MDs in the same class, they ALSO were number one in their school and scored in the 99th percentile of USMLE Step I and II. You don't get neurosurgery, MD or DO, unless you have god-like status.

Oh yeah, I totally agree. I do think that typically probably one DO matches neurosurgery, optho, and maybe 2 or up to 4 get derm, ortho. I have no concerns about me attending a DO institution, I've done my research, and I just hope to be accepted next cycle. I know the work is on me to get whatever residency I am interested in.

I just commented because I thought CSmitty's response was a little too vague.

 

[DrBowtie]

It's not a lie, but it sure as hell is an exaggeration of the facts. You claimed they didn't recognize osteopathic education when, in fact, they don't recognize osteopathic POST-GRADUATE training, as in DO residencies. Since most DOs complete MD residencies, the point is moot for DOs in general, so your assertion and implication that the hospital doesn't take DOs was 100% false.

No one said it was a moot point, but there is a huge difference between saying a hospital system won't take DOs and a hospital system won't take physicians who've done a DO residency.

Actually you did say it was a moot point hence why I responded. I agree there is a difference between GME and UGME, but the two are definitely intertwined and will become so more and more.