Do nurses play any role in residency interview?

[NeedToStudy]

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Probably a stupid question but during the residency interview will the nurses play any role?

 

[gutonc]

Not unless you're a dick to them while you're on the tour which is the only place you'll run into them.

Many programs have 360 reviews for their residents that will include nurses in your evaluation as a resident.

 

[FutureScientist]

Probably a stupid question but during the residency interview will the nurses play any role?

I had two panel interviews at one program that included an NP and some other kind of allied health person, but I think it's VERY rare.

 

[mvenus929]

Generally, no, unless you're a complete jerk during the tour to the nurses or secretary/coordinator in the morning.

 

[DermViser]

Not unless you're a dick to them while you're on the tour which is the only place you'll run into them.

Many programs have 360 reviews for their residents that will include nurses in your evaluation as a resident.

I'm wondering what is 360 about that though, bc they evaluate you, but you don't get to evaluate them.

 

[rokshana]

I'm wondering what is 360 about that though, bc they evaluate you, but you don't get to evaluate them.

yep

 

[Law2Doc]

I'm wondering what is 360 about that though, bc they evaluate you, but you don't get to evaluate them.

It let's the support staff vent, feel like they have a voice, and it let's your program paper it's files on you with minor complaints about you to bolster its case should it ever have a real reason to get rid of you. Usually you see the complaint and then it gets filed away, never discussed or explicitly shrugged off by your PD. Sometimes it gives PDs areas of improvement to talk to you about in the semi-annual reviews they have to have with you, which otherwise can be quite brief if you are doing fine. Beyond that it doesn't really impact your life.

 

[DermViser]

It let's the support staff vent, feel like they have a voice, and it let's your program paper it's files on you with minor complaints about you to bolster its case should it ever have a real reason to get rid of you. Usually you see the complaint and then it gets filed away, never discussed or explicitly shrugged off by your PD. Sometimes it gives PDs areas of improvement to talk to you about in the semi-annual reviews they have to have with you, which otherwise can be quite brief if you are doing fine. Beyond that it doesn't really impact your life.

Yes, but by definition a 360 is a full circle, i.e. you evaluate the attending and the attending evaluates you, or you evaluate a fellow resident and he/she evaluates you. In the nurse scenario, this is not the case, hence not 360.

 

[Law2Doc]

Yes, but by definition a 360 is a full circle, i.e. you evaluate the attending and the attending evaluates you, or you evaluate a fellow resident and he/she evaluates you. In the nurse scenario, this is not the case, hence not 360.

I think it's more 360 because they screw you coming and going. 🙂)

 

[gutonc]

Yes, but by definition a 360 is a full circle, i.e. you evaluate the attending and the attending evaluates you, or you evaluate a fellow resident and he/she evaluates you. In the nurse scenario, this is not the case, hence not 360.

I'm not arguing with you. Just pointing out the way things are some places.

 

[DermViser]

I'm not arguing with you. Just pointing out the way things are some places.

Yes, I know you weren't. I just think it's interesting that that is deemed a 360 degree evaluation when all other evaluations: intern <--> attending, intern <--> resident, etc. are the full 360, you evaluate them and they evaluate you.

 

[drzing]

i love sdn. everyone takes everything on here so literally.

 

[DrBowtie]

Yes, I know you weren't. I just think it's interesting that that is deemed a 360 degree evaluation when all other evaluations: intern <--> attending, intern <--> resident, etc. are the full 360, you evaluate them and they evaluate you.

The "360" is deemed as such because you are at the center and feedback is provided about you from every "angle" (patients, staff, nursing, etc.). It has nothing to do with you evaluating others.

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

I'm wondering what is 360 about that though, bc they evaluate you, but you don't get to evaluate them.

We explored doing 360 evaluations with nurses and mid-levels. The nursing union said no way no hell are your residents evaluating us. So we dropped it. Thank god.

 

[DermViser]

We explored doing 360 evaluations with nurses and mid-levels. The nursing union said no way no hell are your residents evaluating us. So we dropped it. Thank god.

Yup, that's exactly the reason I figured why residents wouldn't be able to evaluate nurses. Nurses have unions. Not to mention, the would say their scope of practice falls under "nursing", not "medicine".

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

Yup, that's exactly the reason I figured why residents wouldn't be able to evaluate nurses. Nurses have unions. Not to mention, the would say their scope of practice falls under "nursing", not "medicine".

I wish I got to evaluate some nurses...

Sadly though, they'd probably do something insane like sue or go to hospital affairs if they ever got a negative evaluation, and then we'd be forced to test how truly anonymous our evaluation system is.

Better to just let the sleeping dog lie, I suppose.

 

[DermViser]

i love sdn. everyone takes everything on here so literally.

In what regards, Charlie?

 

[DermViser]

I wish I got to evaluate some nurses...

Sadly though, they'd probably do something insane like sue or go to hospital affairs if they ever got a negative evaluation, and then we'd be forced to test how truly anonymous our evaluation system is.

Better to just let the sleeping dog lie, I suppose.

Yup, pretty much. Nursing unions are very powerful. News stories abound of nurses that go on strike (yet, their upheld as if they're Florence Nightingale).
One of the many reasons, I chose the field I did, is that in so many of the other fields, the nurses carry much more power (i.e. Nurse Managers) over residents. And residents then have to bare the brunt of their incompetence (not giving a certain medication, etc.).
But I guess in my specialty, since we do pretty much everything, I'll only be blamed for my ****ups (which I have no problem with that).