DO peds residency

[skapone33]

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I am a DO student and plan to complete an osteopathic internship so that I can gain practicing rights in Pennsylvania. However, I may pursue a peds allopathic residency. Because the traditional internship focuses on general medicine, and not pediatrics, do I automatically lose this year? Do I apply for the peds residency as a PGY1? Do I apply for this at the same time as my internship or during my osteopathic intern year? Any help is greatly appreciated!

 

[jd star]

I am a DO student and plan to complete an osteopathic internship so that I can gain practicing rights in Pennsylvania. However, I may pursue a peds allopathic residency. Because the traditional internship focuses on general medicine, and not pediatrics, do I automatically lose this year? Do I apply for the peds residency as a PGY1? Do I apply for this at the same time as my internship or during my osteopathic intern year? Any help is greatly appreciated!

Yep, you pretty much lose that year... making it 4 years long. However, there are osteopathic programs that are 3 years long that are accredited to include your "traditional internship." Off hand, Palms West Hospital in West Palm Beach, FL has a program like this. I'm not sure of the other DO programs but it could be something to look into. If you're really concerned about it being 4 years instead of 3, I would go towards some of the stronger DO programs (like UMDNJ and the one in Ohio) to see if they offer this option.

I'm skipping the internship year entirely (hopefully, if I match into the MD program I want to go to) because I can claim "hardship." If I wind up in PA or FL or one of those states, it won't matter for me. So if you have any reason to claim hardship (family, spouse, financial, etc.), I would do that instead of going 4 years.

And in all reality, I have a feeling that in the next few years things in the AOA will change for the better for us, and the whole intership requirement may not be as huge of an issue as it was in the past. (That's all I'll say about that on this board.)

Let me know if you have any more questions about this stuff...

-j

 

[Dr JPH]

jd star

Excellent answer to the question...I think you may have also helped another member who I referred to this forum and told to look for you!

Claiming hardship is indeed a possibility and works for the better for a good number of graduates.

I have my own personal feelings regarding the requirement and like jd star said, those are better left for other arenas!

 

[Cricket]

Can you explain more about claiming hardship? Is there somewhere I can find more info about it? I matched into an allopathic peds residency and am trying to decide whether it's worth it to jump through all the hoops of getting my internship AOA approved (it means doing a month of IM and going to an AOA conference during my intern year). I don't plan on practicing in any of the 5 states that require it, but you never know...if I can claim hardship later, would that be an easier way out?

 

[APACHE3]

Are there DO peds residency? Do you do the manipulative procedures on peds? This is a legit question...I dont know, and I'm curious. thanks

 

[racystacey07]

I, too, am curious about pleading hardship. Can you do this Michigan? I thought that it was up to the state liscensing board and not the AOA? Is this a smart thing to do if you plan to practice in one of the five infamous states?

 

[californiasky]

ive heard that you cannot get by the internship year if the state has an AOA residency or if there is an AOA residency near by where you are? ie michigan? im not sure, can anyone elaborate on this?

 

[skapone33]

Just wondering what the application timeline is for doing all of this? Do i apply to both my internship year and an allopathic peds program at the same time in my 4th year? Or do i apply to just the internship year and then apply for a PGY1 position while in my internship year? Could someone clarify all of this craziness please? Thanks! Much Appreciated!!!

 

[raptor5]

Do a search for resolution 42.

 

[racystacey07]

I attached the AOAs Resolutions 19 and 42 if anyone is interested.

However, I am still not clear on how pediatric residencies are approved. It says that you need to have at least 2 months of internal medicine and 6 months in basic core disciplines. All of the internships I have looked at are mostly tracked to peds, with some ER and ambulatory care sprinkled in. What allopathic peds programs meet these standards? Does anyone know if you can still be approved if you only meet the criteria for resolution 19? Thanks so much!

 

[jd star]

Thanks for finding those resolutions... Honestly, I still need to look at those resolutions myself. But to answer some of the questions on this board:

-you can claim "hardship" in any state.... i would probably only do it if i truly planned on practicing in one of the states that requires the DO internship. i'm not sure when is the best time to file resolution 42 with the AOA, but i would think the sooner the better.

-there are about 9 or 10 DO peds residencies in the whole country (which i found really surprising since the schools push primary care at us so much!). i know there are DO internships all over the place, but in my situation, the closest DO internship is about 4-5 hours from where my husband will be. hence, i claim hardship and get to be with my hubby if i match where i want to 🙂

-again, claiming hardship can be anything from having a spouse who can't move, having kids who are in school, any financial restraints on moving, having a sick relative to care for, etc. (from my understanding)


I hope some of this helps! Good luck to you all 🙂

 

[Mohel]

Guys..
As a 3rd year resident at an allopathic peds...All I did was apply and it was accepted...It is not nearly as hard as they make it out to be...
I simply applied, attended a conference for the AOA and it was that easy...
Guys just do what you can, be the best doc you can, and stay connected to your roots. The AOA does not want you to leave...

 

[Mohel]

Also I am at a residency in PA

 

[abs]

Fast Track Osteopathic Peds programs on the East Coast (that i can think of off the top of my head) (You only have to do three years of residency and your first year counts as your internship and residency.)

1) Geisinger (Danville, PA)
2) Cooper (Camden, NJ)
3) Maimonides (Brooklyn, NY)
4) Miami Children's (Miami, FL)

As a side note, I know quite a few people who graduated in 2004 who are having A LOT of difficulty getting their "hardship" approved by the AOA. It is not as easy as everyone makes it out to be.

 

[racystacey07]

Abs, can you elaborate on why your friends are having difficulty getting their programs approved? Do they qualify for hardship, and the AOA is being difficult? Is their internship up to the AOA standard? There are not enough osteopathic residency programs for every DO student nor are they representative in every area. It bothers me that this is a problem... Thanks for your input.

 

[kristing]

Deep breaths people..

I am a DO in a linked DO internship into an MD residency in Michigan.

In Michigan, in order to get an educational license, you must be in a DO internship or have the waiver from resolution 42. Yes, that is the rule in Michigan. I don't know if it's the rule in the other 4 states with required DO internships (PA, WV, FL, OH). Because of this rule, you will potentially not be offered interviews at nontracking MD residencies. (Yes, people this happened to someone I know, with a letter stating "please apply again after the DO internship.")

If you are not in one of those 5 states, because of the paucity of peds DO residencies, my understanding is that it is fairly easy to get a resolution 42 waiver as others have said before on this post.

My osteo intership includes a month of clinic medicine, a month of hospital medicine, and a month of clinic FP. If you don't do a month of clinic FP, you would have to do a half day of clinic in FP throughout your intern year. yoW!

Do not believe you have to do an extra internship year. That is bogus.

PM me if you have any other questions.