DO schools should become MD

[softmed]

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There is no difference between the degrees. Common objections:

"But DOs practice OMM!!"

So do MDs. Or at least they practice the parts of OMM that actually work.

"But DOs emphasize treatment of the whole patient!!!"

Every MD school I've visited so far has somewhere in their mission statement or in their curriculum something about treating the whole patient. Most of them have courses in things like spiritual and cultural sensitivity. The idea that DOs treat patients as individuals more than MDs is pure nonsense.

"But DOs have a lot of really bad schools in the system"

Yeah, well there are at least a few poor MD schools. Besides, to have formerly DO granting schools now grant MDs will not "cheapen" the degree any more than recognizing DOs as equivalent to MD did.

It just makes no sense to have two different degrees. It's confusing to the patients, it's costly to the applicants, and it allows DO schools to expand like mad. So I say combine the two.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

to some extent that would be a very great thing..
but the AOA will never do or allow it.. they want a distinction...
which however is causing pain to alot of DO students..

by all means.. i think there should be MD/DO degree simply because the phillosphy of the DO has been long since incorporated into MD practice

anyway.. degree's dont matter..
in the dental field you have DDS and DMD
in england and the common wealth you have MBBS,MBCHICH and alot of different degree's depending on which school you went to..

just because someone has a DO or a MD honestly doesnt matter
however combining would be nice..
but it wouldnt do anything..
and like i said the AOA wouldnt allow it.

 

[2014wanted]

Agreed!

 

[DRMRL]

D.O. should become M.D. for all I'm concerned.

 

[Slowpoke]

If DO admission requirements would just ramp themselves up to where MD admission is at, we would hardly have any belittling. This would bypass the trouble of re-modeling a degree.

edit: Just sayin'

 

[ChiDO]

 

[Contrarian]

If DO admission requirements would just ramp themselves up to where MD admission is at, we would hardly have any belittling. This would bypass the trouble of re-modeling a degree.

it's supply and demand. it's not an issue of simply "ramping" up requirements. DO schools have to admit from the pool they are given, which is--at least statistically--weaker than the MD pool. Note, I am not making any judgment on the talent of DO physicians vs. MD physicians, since both camps obviously undergo rigorous training and pass certification requirements that are held at a very high standard.

 

[softmed]

it's supply and demand. it's not an issue of simply "ramping" up requirements. DO schools have to admit from the pool they are given, which is--at least statistically--weaker than the MD pool. Note, I am not making any judgment on the talent of DO physicians vs. MD physicians, since both camps obviously undergo rigorous training and pass certification requirements that are held at a very high standard.

Part of the problem is that they're constantly expanding their matriculating classes and making new schools. Just look at Touro for example.

 

[DRMRL]

But honestly though. D.O. is NOT JUST numbers based. Anybody thinking I'm an idiot for saying that would be wrong...M.D. (to me) is strictly numbers based... 😎

 

[Slowpoke]

it's supply and demand. it's not an issue of simply "ramping" up requirements. DO schools have to admit from the pool they are given, which is--at least statistically--weaker than the MD pool. Note, I am not making any judgment on the talent of DO physicians vs. MD physicians, since both camps obviously undergo rigorous training and pass certification requirements that are held at a very high standard.

Over the next decade, if they continue to accept only higher and higher GPA/MCAT averages eventually things will balance out. If this continues the way it has been, the flame wars of DO vs. MD will exist inevitably. The logical thing to assume from any spectator view is that easier admissions = lesser - this is human nature, good luck changing natural logistics

 

[howelljolly]

Or not.

If the difference is so meaningless, then just leave things the way they are.

Are you saying that DO schools should just stop teaching OMM and apply for approval with the LCME or whoever? Why? Just because you think so? I see no good reason for DO schools to stop teaching OMM.

I understand that you are a premed, but "But DOs emphasize treatment of the whole patient!!!" ? Only people that dont know what they're talking about say that. Holistic does not mean Whole-istic.

MD/allopathic medicine has NOT absorbed all of the osteopathic principles and theories. I never learned about the viscero-somatic reflex (or whatever it's called) in med school. I never learned how proper alignment can relieve pain by giving nerves a more direct route. I never learned how to realign the vertebrae and ribs - and I've seen it done. I wouldnt trust me doing that.

Its just you wanting to apply to DO school and call yourself and MD.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

If DO admission requirements would just ramp themselves up to where MD admission is at, we would hardly have any belittling. This would bypass the trouble of re-modeling a degree.

edit: Just sayin'

DO's look for more the numbers.. primarily for personal experiences and creativity..
where MD schools are much more number orientated..
and..

do admissions is 3.5/28
if you want to bag on the admission rate
then by all means ramp up the following universities
ponce,san bastiltda, universidad of purtorico, university of missispi, mercer, meherry
all of which have a average of 3.3/24

 

[Slowpoke]

Also to add, I'm applying both DO and MD so I'm not a pretentious MD applicant who thinks way too high of himself.

 

[Contrarian]

Over the next decade, if they continue to accept only higher and higher GPA/MCAT averages eventually things will balance out. If this continues the way it has been, the flame wars of DO vs. MD will exist inevitably. The logical thing to assume from any spectator view is that easier admissions = lesser - this is human nature, good luck changing natural logistics

my hunch is that if they continue to accept only at higher GPA/MCAT averages, they will not fill their classes. additionally, students who have high gpa/mcat scores and actually applied to DO schools will usually matriculate at their MD acceptances over their DO acceptances.

 

[DRMRL]

hey, Howelljolly... go here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/holism holistic does mean, "the whole picture." Get your facts straight, bud. 🙄

 

[Slowpoke]

DO's look for more the numbers.. primarily for personal experiences and creativity..
where MD schools are much more number orientated..
and..

do admissions is 3.5/28
if you want to bag on the admission rate
then by all means ramp up the following universities
ponce,san bastiltda, universidad of purtorico, university of missispi, mercer, meherry
all of which have a average of 3.3/24

Your above statement about what MD and DO schools look for is incorrect. As far as I'm concerned both degrees look for individuals who have some capability through personal experience and the work ethic to boot. You have no evidence stating DOs look more at the individual than MD admissions. That is as absurd as this whole thread.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

You can't compare the entire osteopathic community to Touro.

touro and rvu >.>

but yes..
this is going to become a flame fest..
then a flame war..
and then the mods will come and nuke the thread until it dies..
want some popcorn?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Your above statement about what MD and DO schools look for is incorrect. As far as I'm concerned both degrees look for individuals who have some capability through personal experience and the work ethic to boot. You have no evidence stating DOs look more at the individual than MD admissions. That is as absurd as this whole thread.

well.. looking at DO school and Md school gpa's..
you forget.. DO schools have grade replacement.. that is a testament in itself that they care less about numbers and more about the person's will and personality..

 

[howelljolly]

hey, Howelljolly... go here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/holism holistic does mean, "the whole picture." Get your facts straight, bud. 🙄

My point is, if the argument is that DOs are treating the whole patient (head, fingers, knees, toes) then what is the MD treating? Just the fingers? The thing that people are trying to pull out is that DOs treat the soul of the patient as well. And they are not. In that sense, the holistic side of DO isnt treating any more of the whole patient than the MD.

 

[Contrarian]

well.. looking at DO school and Md school gpa's..
you forget.. DO schools have grade replacement.. that is a testament in itself that they care less about numbers and more about the person's will and personality..

right. DO schools have to fill a different niche in the market for medical degrees, because they wouldn't be able to simply out-compete MD schools. The simple reason for this is that tradition is very highly valued in academics, for better or worse, and MDs have been here longer. So DO schools seem to cater to students who have rebounded off of subpar academic performance, who are still viewed as possessing the potential to be capable physicians. That's how I see it at least.

 

[DRMRL]

uhhhhhhhhh no. A D.O. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]focuses on preventive health care. .[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians. .Approximately 65% of practicing osteopathic physicians specialize in primary care areas, such as pediatrics, family practice, obstetrics and gynecology, and internal medicine. Many D.O.s fill a critical need for physicians by practicing in rural and other medically under served communities. But I agree that both MD and DO are quality.

 

[howelljolly]

Your above statement about what MD and DO schools look for is incorrect. As far as I'm concerned both degrees look for individuals who have some capability through personal experience and the work ethic to boot. You have no evidence stating DOs look more at the individual than MD admissions. That is as absurd as this whole thread.

You can talk to admission counsellors at DO schools. They really are more interested in prior medical experieince (RN, Medic, etc) that MD schools are. MD schools emphasize how the medical model is different from all other practitioners' models, i.e the nursing diagnosis, the non-medical model of PsyD, osteopathic medicine, etc.

 

[Slowpoke]

well.. looking at DO school and Md school gpa's..
you forget.. DO schools have grade replacement.. that is a testament in itself that they care less about numbers and more about the person's will and personality..

Your arguments are heavily based on assumptions. The mere fact that a degree allows grade replacement allows you to conclude that they look more at the individual than the counterpart degree???? Give me a break.

Your logic tells me you think a person who has a 3.2 has more life experiences than a person with a 3.8...

 

[Contrarian]

uhhhhhhhhh no. A D.O. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]focuses on preventive health care. .[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians. .Approximately 65% of practicing osteopathic physicians specialize in primary care areas, such as pediatrics, family practice, obstetrics and gynecology, and internal medicine. Many D.O.s fill a critical need for physicians by practicing in rural and other medically under served communities. But I agree that both MD and DO are quality.

that's true. I was talking more about why two degrees exist with regards to admissions standards though.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

uhhhhhhhhh no. A D.O. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]focuses on preventive health care. .[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians. .Approximately 65% of practicing osteopathic physicians specialize in primary care areas, such as pediatrics, family practice, obstetrics and gynecology, and internal medicine. Many D.O.s fill a critical need for physicians by practicing in rural and other medically under served communities. But I agree that both MD and DO are quality.

you forgot emergency medicine, do's consider that primary care

anyway
that emphasising of putting people into primary care is archic.. if you look at pcom or tcom or ccom you'll see 50 to 60% specializing..

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Your arguments are heavily based on assumptions. The mere fact that a degree allows grade replacement allows you to conclude that they look more at the individual than the counterpart degree???? Give me a break.

Your logic tells me you think a person who has a 3.2 has more life experiences than a person with a 3.8...

sigh.. your so difficult..
john due and jane due only have different gpa's..
no actual backround.. such as coming from a different country or something else which makes them different then the average medical applicant..
maybe being non-traditional? DO's take alot of non-trad's

and jeez.. you mind chilling out..

 

[howelljolly]

uhhhhhhhhh no. A D.O. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]focuses on preventive health care. .[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians. .Approximately 65% of practicing osteopathic physicians specialize in primary care areas, such as pediatrics, family practice, obstetrics and gynecology, and internal medicine. Many D.O.s fill a critical need for physicians by practicing in rural and other medically under served communities. But I agree that both MD and DO are quality.

I don't know, but i dont think they focus on primary care. They have essentially the same curriculum, plus OMM. They probably just promote primary care in their culture, and get people interested in being "real doctors". MDs have a culture of knowing a ton about a small topic - specialization. Being a jack of all trades and a master of none is kinda seen as an extension of a brand new graduate.

This is changing, however. Some schools are preaching primary care nowadays. Starting in the new year, specialists will no longer be paid for their specialty consultation.

By the way, primary care, and preventative medicine are not entirely interchangeable terms.

 

[Ativanigans]

If DO schools become MD schools, then where will all the MD rejects apply?

 

[Eyti]

There is no difference between the degrees. Common objections:

"But DOs practice OMM!!"

So do MDs. Or at least they practice the parts of OMM that actually work.

"But DOs emphasize treatment of the whole patient!!!"

Every MD school I've visited so far has somewhere in their mission statement or in their curriculum something about treating the whole patient. Most of them have courses in things like spiritual and cultural sensitivity. The idea that DOs treat patients as individuals more than MDs is pure nonsense.

"But DOs have a lot of really bad schools in the system"

Yeah, well there are at least a few poor MD schools. Besides, to have formerly DO granting schools now grant MDs will not "cheapen" the degree any more than recognizing DOs as equivalent to MD did.

It just makes no sense to have two different degrees. It's confusing to the patients, it's costly to the applicants, and it allows DO schools to expand like mad. So I say combine the two.

I do not object. However, I feel that having knowledge that there is more than one path to medicine, has as a premed, shaped by mind substantially. It has made me more aware of the variety of different paths a person can take to becoming a doctor. Maybe we should allow DOs to use the initials "MD" after their names.

Their colleges will remain named the way they are. However, when it comes time to practice they should all be allowed to use the same initials. We let fmg/img doctors use the initials "MD" after their names despite the fact that their medical college may not even grant a Doctor of Medicine degree. In the UK, Ireland, and Commonwealth you have wonderful initials like "MB BCh BAO" and yet when they come to America they simplify this for the sake of the patient. In America we let all of these incoming physicians use "MD". Its about time that we let those doctors from osteopathic schools start using the initials that in this country mean doctor - MD. We let Caribbean grads use the initials MD....
Many of us say that MD = DO, then why is that no MD would ever say "I want the option of using the DO initials"? It is a valid question and one that I as a student cannot answer conclusively.

 

[Contrarian]

If DO schools become MD schools, then where will all the MD rejects apply?

oh snap, you're going to get torched lol

 

[DRMRL]

i understand what you all are saying, and I'll concur. But the prestige thing was never for me. I simply want to be there for people.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

hmm quick question whats worse
the urm topic war?
or
the Do topic war?
which do you believe is worse -.-

 

[engineeredout]

MDs should become DOs. For every reason stated in the original post.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Prestige is also geographical. For the majority of physicians, they aren't going to the Ivies or other top 10 medical colleges. When I tell people I'm going to PCOM they're extremely happy and supportive. They know of the school, they've interacted with physicians from the school, they like what the school does. However, if I went to the midwest and spoke about PCOM not nearly as many people would know about the school. The same goes for the allopathic schools. Until I came on SDN, I had no idea what 3/4 of the allopathic colleges were.

honestly.. its sad.. but i know the name of every DO school and basically think of Pcom as basically the **** of the medical world
but yah.. i blame SDN for that..
before i came to SDN i didnt know what a DO was because in maryland there are less then 1000 DO's

 

[dd128]

"But DOs have a lot of really bad schools in the system"

Yeah, well there are at least a few poor MD schools.

This is one of the dumbest statements I've read in a while. Perhaps the point was brought up, I didn't want to read through all the replies. Anyway, I'd like to see what evidence or data you have to support your statement of a "few poor MD schools."...I'm assuming you mean the US of course

 

[howelljolly]

I do not object. However, I feel that having knowledge that there is more than one path to medicine, has as a premed, shaped by mind substantially. It has made me more aware of the variety of different paths a person can take to becoming a doctor. Maybe we should allow DOs to use the initials "MD" after their names.

Their colleges will remain named the way they are. However, when it comes time to practice they should all be allowed to use the same initials. We let fmg/img doctors use the initials "MD" after their names despite the fact that their medical college may not even grant a Doctor of Medicine degree. In the UK, Ireland, and Commonwealth you have wonderful initials like "MB BCh BAO" and yet when they come to America they simplify this for the sake of the patient. In America we let all of these incoming physicians use "MD". Its about time that we let those doctors from osteopathic schools start using the initials that in this country mean doctor - MD. We let Caribbean grads use the initials MD....
Many of us say that MD = DO, then why is that no MD would ever say "I want the option of using the DO initials"? It is a valid question and one that I as a student cannot answer conclusively.

This is because the medical school curriculum which all American MD schools, Caribbean schools, and all foreign schools granting the MBBS, MBChB, etc. is identical as per their certification with the WHO. This is not the case with the DO degree. Once the Caribbean/foreign degree is confirmed by the ECFMG it is "converted" to an MD. .

Not unlike when a fancy bachelors degree from an Ivy League school, like an A.B. is confirmed by a graduate school admissions committee, its bascally registered as a BS/BA.

On that note, what about a BS vs. a BA? Where I went to undergrad, a BS was 4 more credits than a BA. But, what if you got a double-major in, say, history and literature. You'd have more than enough credits for the BS. So would you get a Bachelors of Science in two arts?

 

[softmed]

MD/allopathic medicine has NOT absorbed all of the osteopathic principles and theories. I never learned about the viscero-somatic reflex (or whatever it's called) in med school. I never learned how proper alignment can relieve pain by giving nerves a more direct route. I never learned how to realign the vertebrae and ribs - and I've seen it done. I wouldnt trust me doing that.

There's a reason none of that is taught in MD schools: it's unproven and probably pure nonsense. You cannot just "align" some bones and expect that somehow the nerves now have a direct route. You have to actually conduct a study where it's shown to be greater than a placebo effect.

EDIT: I did a little research and it does sound like meta analysis have shown OMM to have an effect on back pain, but it has nothing to do with the actual bone alignment giving nerves a more direct route, but rather an immune and hormone response to the manipulations.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

There's a reason none of that is taught in MD schools: it's unproven and probably pure nonsense. You cannot just "align" some bones and expect that somehow the nerves now have a direct route. You have to actually conduct a study where it's shown to be greater than a placebo effect.

EDIT: I did a little research and it does sound like meta analysis have shown OMM to have an effect on back pain, but it has nothing to do with the actual bone alignment giving nerves a more direct route, but rather an immune and hormone reaction as a result of the manipulations.

damn.. you are one slow kid..
its proven to have a effect
a doctor invented it when medicine caused more problems in good because most were based off harmful chemicals

omm is based off the fact that you can help guide the body in its natural repair
frankly a DO saved the life of my friend who was sufficating due to a near diaphram collapse by using omm he caused the lungs to expand and relased pressure upon them causing them to release
he saved her until the paramedics came

if you too flipping dumb to realize that omm works
i'd like you to please leave SDN now

im done talking with you on this topic
im tired of hearing your *****ic dribble and idiocracy
your just so bitter about you being afraid of not getting your M.D
get
over
it
go to the caribbean
if you dont believe in omm, the DO schools dont and will never want you

 

[softmed]

damn.. you are one slow kid..
its proven to have a effect
a doctor invented it when medicine caused more problems in good because most were based off harmful chemicals

It was great at the time, but today we have real medicine to treat patients. There is something called the scientific method, something you should familiarize yourself with before attending medical school, that allows us to show modern medicine works.

 

[softmed]

OMM isn't founded upon the principle of spinal nerves... that's chiropractics. OMM is founded on the priniciple of somatic dysfunction and correction of that dysfunction through muscle/lymph flow/extracellular flow manipulation. Do DOs adjust joints? Absolutely, but its to help restore homestasis (or so that's what the practice was founded upon).

You seem to have a strange idea of what somatic dysfunction is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_dysfunction

It's all about muscles and bones.

 

[Slowpoke]

It was great at the time, but today we have real medicine to treat patients. There is something called the scientific method, something you should familiarize yourself with before attending medical school, that allows us to show modern medicine works.

softmed, I don't think you're going to get through to serenade - I've already tried. His logic and reasoning is beyond resuscitating.

 

[softmed]

Modern medicine, aka pharmaceuticals, don't necessarily follow the scientific method. There are numerous drugs designed for a specific condition that are prescribed for other reasons. These other reasons aren't always tested.

But how did that drug make it onto the market? The scientific method. Randomized placebo controlled double blind clinical trials. Do doctors sometimes prescribe things for off-label use? Yes, but it's not going to be covered by an insurance company, and it may not work. In many circumstances it's pretty wasteful to do that.

And drug companies are not stupid. As soon as they find out doctors are prescribing a drug for off label use they're going to investigate it so they can advertise the new use and make more money. That's pretty much how Viagra was discovered. But you're seriously nuts if you're a doctor and prescribe a blood pressure medicine to give a patient an erection.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

softmed, I don't think you're going to get through to serenade - I've already tried.

you and I had a conflict of opinions, something which i respect i am not a facist who considers a different persons opinion as something dangerous as long as they have a realistic reason why they believe in what they believe. in which you do.
him and I have a conflict of his deranged view of osteopathic medicine and the real face of osteopathic medicine, which he is speaking from only bitterness and regret in not having a backdoor method into a MD

and honestly
insulting my logic is rather nice of you..

 

[Eyti]

There's a reason none of that is taught in MD schools: it's unproven and probably pure nonsense. You cannot just "align" some bones and expect that somehow the nerves now have a direct route. You have to actually conduct a study where it's shown to be greater than a placebo effect.

EDIT: I did a little research and it does sound like meta analysis have shown OMM to have an effect on back pain, but it has nothing to do with the actual bone alignment giving nerves a more direct route, but rather an immune and hormone response to the manipulations.

softmed,
I think that what you have written is case-in-point of having an open mind regarding improving biological health and regarding the importance of variety in education.

 

[KG216]

There is no difference between the degrees. Common objections:

"But DOs practice OMM!!"

So do MDs. Or at least they practice the parts of OMM that actually work.

"But DOs emphasize treatment of the whole patient!!!"

Every MD school I've visited so far has somewhere in their mission statement or in their curriculum something about treating the whole patient. Most of them have courses in things like spiritual and cultural sensitivity. The idea that DOs treat patients as individuals more than MDs is pure nonsense.

"But DOs have a lot of really bad schools in the system"

Yeah, well there are at least a few poor MD schools. Besides, to have formerly DO granting schools now grant MDs will not "cheapen" the degree any more than recognizing DOs as equivalent to MD did.

It just makes no sense to have two different degrees. It's confusing to the patients, it's costly to the applicants, and it allows DO schools to expand like mad. So I say combine the two.

I'm a little confused to your stance on being/becoming a DO😕. At first glance you seem to defend it, saying in so many ways its like allopathic training- but yet at the same time sound like you think most of it is rediculous. Do you think DO schools should become MD schools because there is no real difference betwen them or because you just dislike the whole OMM/osteopathy aspect and think allopathic is the only logical choice?

In other posts you've called it "pseudo scientific dangerous nonsense like osteopathy" (forgive me if its taken out of context or whatnot- since it is the internet and all, it can be hard to accurately understand the emotion being conveyed).

Exact previous post: (over discussion on NYMC/Tuoro merger possibility in future) "It doesn't say anything about a merger. It says they'd be purchased, which probably means Tuoro would run NYMC as a separate entity and it would still grant MDs. They may eventually do some kind of merger, but I'm quite sure the students at NYMC wouldn't be happy about their prospective degrees changing to DO and it may not even be legal for them to do this. I know I'd be very upset as I'd rather not be associated with pseudo scientific dangerous nonsense like osteopathy.

NOTE: I'm well aware that DOs are equal to MDs and just as well trained. I'm referring specifically to their training in osteopathy."

You're obviously more than free to have your own opinion on OMM/osteopathy, and I'd never argue that with you. I just don't understand why you'd apply to DO schools then if you would be required to learn the things you detest (unless you withdrew/ended up not submitting, and if thats the case I take back my previous comment!😎)

If DO schools become MD schools, then where will all the MD rejects apply?

^^👎 lame.

 

[DrHiner]

"In the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, “osteopaths" are trained in osteopathic principles and osteopathic manipulative treatment but are not physicians."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...e#International_variations_in_the_D.O._degree

Can anyone cite a source outside of the possibly sketchy Wikipedia that confirms or disproves this?

It wigged me out big time, because I will probably eventually move overseas for a decade or so with my husband and eventual kids to one of those countries... and because of that, I was afraid to apply to any DO schools for fear of losing my physician status and thus, job.

I don't mean this as instigating anything... I'm genuinely curious, and hope that the above isn't accurate.

Anyone know anything? 🙂

 

[softmed]

I'm a little confused to your stance on being/becoming a DO😕. At first glance you seem to defend it, saying in so many ways its like allopathic training- but yet at the same time sound like you think most of it is rediculous. Do you think DO schools should become MD schools because there is no real difference betwen them or because you just dislike the whole OMM/osteopathy aspect and think allopathic is the only logical choice?

In other posts you've called it "pseudo scientific dangerous nonsense like osteopathy" (forgive me if its taken out of context or whatnot- since it is the internet and all, it can be hard to accurately understand the emotion being conveyed).

Exact previous post: (over discussion on NYMC/Tuoro merger possibility in future) "It doesn't say anything about a merger. It says they'd be purchased, which probably means Tuoro would run NYMC as a separate entity and it would still grant MDs. They may eventually do some kind of merger, but I'm quite sure the students at NYMC wouldn't be happy about their prospective degrees changing to DO and it may not even be legal for them to do this. I know I'd be very upset as I'd rather not be associated with pseudo scientific dangerous nonsense like osteopathy.

NOTE: I'm well aware that DOs are equal to MDs and just as well trained. I'm referring specifically to their training in osteopathy."

You're obviously more than free to have your own opinion on OMM/osteopathy, and I'd never argue that with you. I just don't understand why you'd apply to DO schools then if you would be required to learn the things you detest (unless you withdrew/ended up not submitting, and if thats the case I take back my previous comment!😎)

I'm under the impression that OMM is a minor part of the curriculum and the vast majority of DOs never practice it.

What I meant when I said osteopathy is dangerous nonsense is that people die from cervical dissections and receive other serious injuries from osteopathic manipulations with a relatively mild benefit. A pharmaceutical intervention is probably a much safer and effective way to treat pain.

 

[softmed]

"In the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, “osteopaths" are trained in osteopathic principles and osteopathic manipulative treatment but are not physicians."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...e#International_variations_in_the_D.O._degree

Can anyone cite a source outside of the possibly sketchy Wikipedia that confirms or disproves this?

It wigged me out big time, because I will probably eventually move overseas for a decade or so with my husband and eventual kids to one of those countries... and because of that, I was afraid to apply to any DO schools for fear of losing my physician status and thus, job.

I don't mean this as instigating anything... I'm genuinely curious, and hope that the above isn't accurate.

Anyone know anything? 🙂

You should read the whole article. Yes, I'm quite sure it's accurate, but you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting full practice rights in most countries.

 

[Ativanigans]

^^👎 lame.

That's rather ironic since your MDApps seems to support my statement

 

[DrHiner]

You should read the whole article. Yes, I'm quite sure it's accurate, but you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting full practice rights in most countries.

I did read the whole article, and many more besides. 😉

What I didn't know was the relative ease about getting the practice rights because I have heard of DOs not getting the rights they clearly deserve. They could still work in medicine but were not physicians.

Thanks for the info! 🙂