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What are the chances of a DO being accepted into a surgical residency?
Any comments are appreciated.
Any comments are appreciated.
DO surgical residency
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Or you could do a search and find many serious answers. 🙂
But, I will be nice because I am bored and do it for you.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172388&highlight=surgery+residency
Or you could do a search and find many serious answers. 🙂
But, I will be nice because I am bored and do it for you.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172388&highlight=surgery+residency
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This was the advice given to me by several surgeons (both MD and DO)... if you think surgery is something you really want to go into, and you have an OPTION of going MD or DO, go MD... it's just an easier road. Apparently DO-surgical residencies are very competitive and in the words of a DO surgeon "They eat their young." It's a lot easier to get into a competitive allopathic surgery residency coming from an allopathic school.
Take it for what it's worth... free, anonymous, second-hand advice!
Take it for what it's worth... free, anonymous, second-hand advice!
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MD surgery is easier, huh? DO surgery programs are usually easier to get into, for DO of course, but they are also of a moderate to poor in quality. As I said in the previous threads, DO programs are located in small community programs with low volume and variety, and that especially concerns Do surgery programs. Not all are bad, but some are a waste of time.
If you are a pre-med aspiring to do Surgery, honest advice would be to try to get into Allopathic school, because you will have better options when applying for residency. I am a DO, I matched into surgery this year and my grades are OK, nothing special, but OK. People from Allopathic schools with similar grades went for interviews in the top programs, and matched pretty well, where i mostly got invited to community programs. They were mostly good strong programs with large variety and good fellowship placements, but not top tier ones thats for sure. I am happy I matched, i got my top choice, but my top choices weren't Cornell, NYU, Columbia, etc. To match really well as an US MD you have to be a little above average, but as a DO many places won't even give you a chance.
If you are a DO to be, then just do as well as you can in school, and boards, rotate at the place where you want to go, but be realistic. Yes, you might be the first one to come to Brigham or MGH, but chances are, you won't be.
If you are a pre-med aspiring to do Surgery, honest advice would be to try to get into Allopathic school, because you will have better options when applying for residency. I am a DO, I matched into surgery this year and my grades are OK, nothing special, but OK. People from Allopathic schools with similar grades went for interviews in the top programs, and matched pretty well, where i mostly got invited to community programs. They were mostly good strong programs with large variety and good fellowship placements, but not top tier ones thats for sure. I am happy I matched, i got my top choice, but my top choices weren't Cornell, NYU, Columbia, etc. To match really well as an US MD you have to be a little above average, but as a DO many places won't even give you a chance.
If you are a DO to be, then just do as well as you can in school, and boards, rotate at the place where you want to go, but be realistic. Yes, you might be the first one to come to Brigham or MGH, but chances are, you won't be.
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Khirurg said:
Was allopathic general surgery match little more competitive this year. I heard from surgery residents that only 6 categorical spots were left over after match and if this trend continues general surgery may become as competitive as radiology etc. in few years.
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clc8503 said:
Word of advice for all future DO applicants, if the student replying to the post is not a medical student or more specifically an osteopathic student in the DO related forum, I would advise you to take any of their advice with a grain of salt. These individuals post on what they have heard, not on what they know about the profession.
Lets be honest...........How can you really know about a profession of which you are not intimately involved. Just my opinion, if you are looking for sound advice go to the Osteopathic forum where there are plenty of "real" medical students, not medical applicants.
clc8503 said:
Last year was the first year that surgery spots didn't fill. So, regardless of your initials, if surgery is what you want, malpractice is making it possible for everyone! Goodluck
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Docgeorge said:
I can't remember what the article was my mentor (an allopathic surgeon) gave me concerning this issue, but...
Here is a list of all the programs that didn't fill last year. Scroll down to surgery! Malpractice in this country is INSANE!
Goodluck!
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Your info is a little off. Last year there were only 2 catagorical spots that went unfilled. 1 @ Univ of Arizona and one at Gunderson in Minnesota. This year there were only 7 catagorical spots left open. The rest are Prelim spots these are not spots that one get's into and finishes all 5 years. Years before that esp from the late 90's to up untill a few years ago there were tons of G-surg catagorical spots open.
The reason that it was so unpopular back then was because there was no 80 hour rule. Since the implamentation of the 80 hour rule people percieve that surgery is no longer a brutal residency and applications have gone up again. Surgery is now more competative then ever before.
The reason that it was so unpopular back then was because there was no 80 hour rule. Since the implamentation of the 80 hour rule people percieve that surgery is no longer a brutal residency and applications have gone up again. Surgery is now more competative then ever before.
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Absolutely right. Categorical spots are filled alsmost completely. This year they had 6 left, actually that filled within 15 minutes of match coming out. Prelim spots are usually available, but good prelim locations are also filled very fast, by those who didn't get categorical and hope to either match there after prelim year or match someplace else. Surgery is getting extremely competitive due to hour regualtions, with more and more people, especially women, deciding that they can be surgeons painlessly. Then again, some drop out later, because surgery is NOT an easy residency.
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Khirurg said:
I give this post the DrMaryC seal of approval. 👍 However, there's a chance that in saying that MD is easier the person meant that there are less uphill battles/decisions and honestly, as I'm sure you found out, info on programs is MUCH easier to find. 🙂
Good luck and congratulations on matching!
M.
