Do these IMG's have the stigma or disadvantage?

[Chinnychin]

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I was just looking at some programs residents lists and one program has 3 IMG's out of all the 4 classes-but it is a pretty solid program and was a bit surprising. However they are all like-A big univ in China, and 2 big ones in India-

To me especially china and india take really smart people only into the medical track so was wondering if these applicants are actually really desirable and well respected among everyone v. some caribean IMG's etc have the stigma that they could not get in anywhere else etc etc-Not my view just the generalization.

So was just curious if these really count as IMG's for the purpose of evaluating the quality of their residents, atleast based on med school attended.

 

[maranatha]

Smells like a troll is out....

Isn't this how you got banned last time?

 

[Chinnychin]

Smells like a troll is out....

Isn't this how you got banned last time?

What are you talking about? I am asking a question-I said it is not my view but if you have ever been on the boards reading and in real life you know there is an unfortunate stigma about IMG's-it is portrayed on tv as well. I was not saying I agree. And even programs-the top ones, how often do you see IMG's? So if there was no stigma this would not be since I am sure some IMG's have superior stats to people enrolled there.

What I am saying is do people who litereally grew up in somewhere like India or china-where it is common knowledge that if you are not in the top .05 percent of your age in smarts-you do not go to med school. So they are likely pretty damn good candidates. Where as other IMG"s you get a mix of people that could not get in here so go abroad, and some that simply lived somewhere else and now is moving here (which is many of them) I guess I was refferring to china, india and anywhere else where they have those career tracks that are established when you are in like 7th grade or something.

Why are you so sensitive and this is the second time you called out a troll aler-do you even know hwat trolll means-this is the third time I had to refer someone to the dictionary.

ANyway again this is not MY view but rather trying to understand if a school I am looking at filled with 3 IMG's because they could not fill with AMG's because every other school I applied to had no IMGs-I could care less but it was definetly a trend I noticed in quality of school-EVERY rule has exceptions so I am sure harvard and stanford have some IMGs but in general.

Man grow up maranth-you are way sensitive. And if a post like this can get you banned well that is simply ridiculous.

 

[maranatha]

do you even know hwat trolll means-this is the third time I had to refer someone to the dictionary.

And if a post like this can get you banned well that is simply ridiculous.

Good point. Given that you've been banned for trolling before, I suppose you'd understand the definition better then most....

 

[Chinnychin]

Good point. Given that you've been banned for trolling before, I suppose you'd understand the definition better then most....

I would like this person to get a warning for being disrespectful to me and calling me a troll-Considering I got warned for calling someone a DO-I assume troll is a lot worse than being called a DO-especially since everyone says they are not diff than an MD-it is not insulting-I feel insulted and would like some action taken.

 

[sga430]

i am afraid i agree to some point with the troll unfortunately. i am an IMG and I do look at IMG vs AMG % into account factoring in geography. the reason i look at this as an indicator is most AMGs who go to a certain program are local and probably have done rotations there. they also r more informed in a way as most IMGs dont focus on one location and also AMGs can afford to be more picky so as to look at other factors. if a program has a high IMG% it does not however mean the program is bad for sure. however i will scrutinize it more as it is a general guide to the competiveness. also the amg% has to do with geography as well. for example, the non-local img% in univ of south alabama in mobile is low. not many people from oregon would look into the program. however if this program were in san diego or miami beach, it would be different.

2 programs that stand out as good on the basis that there r non-local amgs is univ of colorodo denver and ucla-harbor. by seeing non-local amgs here i ask myself "these people could have gotten into ucla-npi or a prestigious program closer to home; why here" well with denver it could be purely for the skiing. but the program can not be bad to draw people from outside. however if i saw an IMG from NYC in denver i would think perhaps he or she got lucky and got his 10th choice.

i dont think of this as being discriminatory as I am an IMG. it is a matter of supply and demand. AMGs are in demand. thus they can afford to be more picky. also they r likely to be more informed. thus if they r somewhere, especially non-local, it is a fairly good indicator. however it is not absolute.

 

[jjbmsiv]

I would like this person to get a warning for being disrespectful to me and calling me a troll-Considering I got warned for calling someone a DO-I assume troll is a lot worse than being called a DO-especially since everyone says they are not diff than an MD-it is not insulting-I feel insulted and would like some action taken.

I think your pleas will fall on deaf ears.

 

[maranatha]

they also r more informed in a way as most IMGs dont focus on one location and also AMGs can afford to be more picky so as to look at other factors. if a program has a high IMG% it does not however mean the program is bad for sure. however i will scrutinize it more as it is a general guide to the competiveness. also the amg% has to do with geography as well. for example, the non-local img% in univ of south alabama in mobile is low. not many people from oregon would look into the program. however if this program were in san diego or miami beach, it would be different.

i dont think of this as being discriminatory as I am an IMG. it is a matter of supply and demand. AMGs are in demand. thus they can afford to be more picky. also they r likely to be more informed. thus if they r somewhere, especially non-local, it is a fairly good indicator. however it is not absolute.

Those are good points, sga. However, one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of AMG do not even bother to look at programs with IMGs b/c they think the program is somehow inferior. Therefore, those programs get less AMGs applying and by virtue of that, end up matching more IMGs...and this cycle just repeats the next year.

The reason I'm "sensitive" to this issue as chinychin states is that I think a lot of excellent programs go unrecognized b/c of the bias toward programs with lots IMGs by AMGs. In some circumstances it might be jutisfied, but often it's not. I'm an AMG and would hands-down rather have someone like you, who is clearly dedicated and passionate about psychiatry, as a colleague then any AMG who judges a program by how many IMGs or DO's are at a program.

 

[Adam_K]

i am afraid i agree to some point with the troll unfortunately. i am an IMG and I do look at IMG vs AMG % into account factoring in geography. the reason i look at this as an indicator is most AMGs who go to a certain program are local and probably have done rotations there. they also r more informed in a way as most IMGs dont focus on one location and also AMGs can afford to be more picky so as to look at other factors. if a program has a high IMG% it does not however mean the program is bad for sure. however i will scrutinize it more as it is a general guide to the competiveness. also the amg% has to do with geography as well. for example, the non-local img% in univ of south alabama in mobile is low. not many people from oregon would look into the program. however if this program were in san diego or miami beach, it would be different.

2 programs that stand out as good on the basis that there r non-local amgs is univ of colorodo denver and ucla-harbor. by seeing non-local amgs here i ask myself "these people could have gotten into ucla-npi or a prestigious program closer to home; why here" well with denver it could be purely for the skiing. but the program can not be bad to draw people from outside. however if i saw an IMG from NYC in denver i would think perhaps he or she got lucky and got his 10th choice.

i dont think of this as being discriminatory as I am an IMG. it is a matter of supply and demand. AMGs are in demand. thus they can afford to be more picky. also they r likely to be more informed. thus if they r somewhere, especially non-local, it is a fairly good indicator. however it is not absolute.

sga,

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think that you are overly sensitive about your status as an IMG. By adopting the thinking of others, do you really help yourself?

Considering the number of interviews you've been able to obtain based on your commitment to the field, don't you think that you should just let it go?

Otherwise, you may fall into the trap of generating an ROL based on prestige alone and end up matching to a program that really doesn't suit your needs.

Regarding the quality of IMGs out there; Guess what? They vary, just as MDs and DOs do. The country that granted them their sheepskin is meaningless. The question I always ask myself is whether I am comfortable referring patients to that particular physician. That is what counts for me.

 

[maranatha]

Otherwise, you may fall into the trap of generating an ROL based on prestige alone and end up matching to a program that really doesn't suit your needs.

Well said, Adam. Let's hope all of us--IMGs, DOs, and AMGs--keep this in mind when ranking.

 

[Chinnychin]

Why is everyone so PC-sure there are some amazing IMGs and crappy AMGs but in general, like I was saying, unless they are IMGs from their home country and just moving here-the IMG's that make up much of the candidates here are people who went to the caribean and abroad because they could not get into one of the 140 medical schools here. Now how can anyone say in general an IMG would be equal to an AMG-on what basis-if they were all equal they would have gotten in to one of the many med schools. Sure they have determination but that does not always equate to being a great doc. And sure there are exceptions such as people who screwed up their freshmen year in college or something and plummited their GPA so they had to go caribean cause of that-but in GENERAL.

Come on people you do not have to be this fake.

So all I was saying is that depsite what you guys are saying-good programs have barely any, if any IMGs (if someone can show me one solid program with decent number of IMG's I will be proved wrong-you can find it on any programs website-so if I am wrong show me)-So when I see an IMG at a place that normally does not take IMG's (there other 3 classes have none or something but their 1st years have 2 IMGs, which I did see-all I was saying is do you think the same stigma exists-but obviously you guys just give the polite PC answer so its worthless to post anything real here.

 

[sga430]

sga,

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think that you are overly sensitive about your status as an IMG. By adopting the thinking of others, do you really help yourself?

Considering the number of interviews you've been able to obtain based on your commitment to the field, don't you think that you should just let it go?

Otherwise, you may fall into the trap of generating an ROL based on prestige alone and end up matching to a program that really doesn't suit your needs.

Regarding the quality of IMGs out there; Guess what? They vary, just as MDs and DOs do. The country that granted them their sheepskin is meaningless. The question I always ask myself is whether I am comfortable referring patients to that particular physician. That is what counts for me.

true. i am not only looking at prestige but i do consider it. other factors i look at is geography and call and happiness of residents. these i look at more than prestige as i am to be mostly a clinician. i do agree that quality of resident is independant of where they are coming from. however as i am looking at programs all over the country it is hard for me to assess them all. a 1 day interview is good but not enough to base an opinion. so if 2 programs that seem equivalent are in the same city and one is all IMG and the other is mixed or more AMGs, what is one to think? AMGs are more likely to be the chooser in the process. IMGs are more likely to be choosee for the lack of a better word. the local AMG must have some reason for ranking the other program lower than the one he or she is in. i dont agree with it but it is reality for better or worse. it all goes back to supply and demand. in my ideal program i would prefer a mix of imgs and amgs for diversity. but if the program is better and i would be happier at a better program how can i be faulted for ranking it higher?

maybe i may be sensitive to being an IMG but i am a realist. i consider myself lucky to have so many excellent interviews and try to help others out.

 

[sga430]

Why is everyone so PC-sure there are some amazing IMGs and crappy AMGs but in general, like I was saying, unless they are IMGs from their home country and just moving here-the IMG's that make up much of the candidates here are people who went to the caribean and abroad because they could not get into one of the 140 medical schools here. Now how can anyone say in general an IMG would be equal to an AMG-on what basis-if they were all equal they would have gotten in to one of the many med schools. Sure they have determination but that does not always equate to being a great doc. And sure there are exceptions such as people who screwed up their freshmen year in college or something and plummited their GPA so they had to go caribean cause of that-but in GENERAL.

Come on people you do not have to be this fake.

So all I was saying is that depsite what you guys are saying-good programs have barely any, if any IMGs (if someone can show me one solid program with decent number of IMG's I will be proved wrong-you can find it on any programs website-so if I am wrong show me)-So when I see an IMG at a place that normally does not take IMG's (there other 3 classes have none or something but their 1st years have 2 IMGs, which I did see-all I was saying is do you think the same stigma exists-but obviously you guys just give the polite PC answer so its worthless to post anything real here.

i am a US IMG who did not go to college here. i went straight from high school. i had decent grades and even got into a 7 year biomed program here. yet for other reasons i went abroad. i dont think your characterization is correct.

i have seen some decent programs take many IMGs as well. i am not saying top programs but solid ones. so it is not absolute as i have said b4.

 

[Chinnychin]

i am a US IMG who did not go to college here. i went straight from high school. i had decent grades and even got into a 7 year biomed program here. yet for other reasons i went abroad. i dont think your characterization is correct.

i have seen some decent programs take many IMGs as well. i am not saying top programs but solid ones. so it is not absolute as i have said b4.

Again failure to read-I said there ARE exceptions. Most american IMG's that go to ross or wherever have not been the ones offerered 7 year program slots or had acceptance to a US medschool nailed down but oh wait- decided to go to the carribean-THe VAST majority-probably 95 percent of US kids who go abroad is because they could not get in america.

And like I said-show me a school-they all have websites so if you know of one, go to their site and give me the link-show me this decent program with lots of IMG's. It is easy to prove me wrong-show me the money

 

[maranatha]

And like I said-show me a school-they all have websites so if you know of one, go to their site and give me the link-show me this decent program with lots of IMG's. It is easy to prove me wrong-show me the money

I'm not sure these have "lots" of IMGs...sorry, no links. Here are a couple that I know of off the top of my head...

--U. of Lousiville
--Rochester
--Institute of Living
--Penn State

 

[Chinnychin]

haha First off these are not exactly the more desirable programs. I mean location alone for penn state, rochester and louisville alone is enough fewer good AMGs applying. Second on what basis are you calling these good programs-I am talking about desirable programs for AMG's-you can name a bunch of schools and call them good because there is no way to rank them but everyone knows the more desirable programs for either the program or the weather/city etc.

Plus again problems reading-I was talking about IMG's from ross etc-American IMGs that could not get in here-Rochester has 2 IMGs from ross or st. george out of the 4 years. They have 2 other IMG's that are from china and another country-and like my initial post stated and I continue to say-to me these are not the IMG's that are looked down upon by many. So ok-2 out of all four years at a moderate program. Your other 3 programs are average and then combine location-they are undesirable. I am willing to bet they have IMG's cause they are not desirable. I am not going to find their link-but since you wanted to prove me wrong-show me-or do not because I said DESIRABLE or GOOD programs

 

[grishko2007]

So all I was saying is that depsite what you guys are saying-good programs have barely any, if any IMGs (if someone can show me one solid program with decent number of IMG's I will be proved wrong-you can find it on any programs website-so if I am wrong show me)-So when I see an IMG at a place that normally does not take IMG's (there other 3 classes have none or something but their 1st years have 2 IMGs, which I did see-all I was saying is do you think the same stigma exists-but obviously you guys just give the polite PC answer so its worthless to post anything real here.

I was surprised by the number of IMG's, FMG's and foreign-born AMG's at Yale. Don't have the exact numbers (I don't know what I did with the resident bio packet they gave us) but I'm sure this can be verified. Other applicants on my interview day noticed it too and even commented on it to the PD (not in a negative way, more in the context of Yale's strong committment to international studies and how that is represented in their resident population.)

 

[Adam_K]

true. i am not only looking at prestige but i do consider it. other factors i look at is geography and call and happiness of residents. these i look at more than prestige as i am to be mostly a clinician. i do agree that quality of resident is independant of where they are coming from. however as i am looking at programs all over the country it is hard for me to assess them all. a 1 day interview is good but not enough to base an opinion. so if 2 programs that seem equivalent are in the same city and one is all IMG and the other is mixed or more AMGs, what is one to think? AMGs are more likely to be the chooser in the process. IMGs are more likely to be choosee for the lack of a better word. the local AMG must have some reason for ranking the other program lower than the one he or she is in. i dont agree with it but it is reality for better or worse. it all goes back to supply and demand. in my ideal program i would prefer a mix of imgs and amgs for diversity. but if the program is better and i would be happier at a better program how can i be faulted for ranking it higher?

maybe i may be sensitive to being an IMG but i am a realist. i consider myself lucky to have so many excellent interviews and try to help others out.

I'm not faulting you. I'm simply pointing out that you are buying into other's prejudices.

I do hope that you end up at a program that fits you best, without having to resort to something like: "Look, I matched at a program with no other IMGs."

I think that you should be careful of what you seek, because you may just get it.

 

[Adam_K]

haha First off these are not exactly the more desirable programs. I mean location alone for penn state, rochester and louisville alone is enough fewer good AMGs applying. Second on what basis are you calling these good programs-I am talking about desirable programs for AMG's-you can name a bunch of schools and call them good because there is no way to rank them but everyone knows the more desirable programs for either the program or the weather/city etc.

Moving the goal posts, are we?

 

[Chinnychin]

Ok they are mediocre programs even despite the location-other than rochester which has few IMGs anyway-so yes I can list 4 crappy programs with IMGs too-good job-you nailed it and made me look bad

 

[goldengate]

And like I said-show me a school-they all have websites so if you know of one, go to their site and give me the link-show me this decent program with lots of IMG's. It is easy to prove me wrong-show me the money

I recently interviewed at UConn and from my impression it seems to be a solid program that is academically reputable. I was personally surprised to see so many IMGs, including 6 Caribbean grads (not including Puerto Rico). Here is the link - http://psychiatry.uchc.edu/education/residency/life.php

 

[Adam_K]

Ok they are mediocre programs even despite the location-other than rochester which has few IMGs anyway-so yes I can list 4 crappy programs with IMGs too-good job-you nailed it and made me look bad

How about Mayo? They don't list their residents on their website, but there are plenty of IMGs.

 

[slope]

totally agree with Adam K's point of view (and his replies to sga's posts) as well as grishko's comment

 

[Chewbacca Jung]

Why is everyone so PC-sure there are some amazing IMGs and crappy AMGs but in general, like I was saying, unless they are IMGs from their home country and just moving here-the IMG's that make up much of the candidates here are people who went to the caribean and abroad because they could not get into one of the 140 medical schools here. Now how can anyone say in general an IMG would be equal to an AMG-on what basis-if they were all equal they would have gotten in to one of the many med schools. Sure they have determination but that does not always equate to being a great doc. And sure there are exceptions such as people who screwed up their freshmen year in college or something and plummited their GPA so they had to go caribean cause of that-but in GENERAL.

Come on people you do not have to be this fake.

So all I was saying is that depsite what you guys are saying-good programs have barely any, if any IMGs (if someone can show me one solid program with decent number of IMG's I will be proved wrong-you can find it on any programs website-so if I am wrong show me)-So when I see an IMG at a place that normally does not take IMG's (there other 3 classes have none or something but their 1st years have 2 IMGs, which I did see-all I was saying is do you think the same stigma exists-but obviously you guys just give the polite PC answer so its worthless to post anything real here.

I hope that by now you have realized the catch-22 inherent with any rankage system that is based on arbitrary measures of success. For example: For some reason, in the past, IMG's have been labeled inferior to other applicants. It really does not matter the reason, or whether or not this label was accurate or valid. What matters now is that the "ideal" program is defined as a program that accepts as few IMG's as possible. If a "high ranking" program begins to take in a significant number of IMG's (no matter how un/qualified) they cease to be a "high ranking" program. Does being an IMG make you unsuccessful in the future? Show me that data. I understand that there is a degree of uncertainty in accepting an IMG-- perhaps the PD is unfamiliar with the program in origin. And maybe there's the ingognito IMG surgery hopeful who will transfer out PGY2. But, I'm not convinced that the risk is that much greater in accepting a IMG than a US gradute. So, before spreading unjustifiable steortypes, why don't we not.

 

[maranatha]

Ok they are mediocre programs even despite the location-other than rochester which has few IMGs anyway-so yes I can list 4 crappy programs with IMGs too-good job-you nailed it and made me look bad

LOL...Did you interview at these programs? Since you obviously know enough about these programs to judge them as "medicore", then please tell us why you think they are. Let's take Lousiville...How about IOL...

BTW, this discussion is senseless and is going to just run in circles b/c no matter how many people put good programs up here you are just going to say they are medicore based on whatever standard you've come up with.

 

[Adam_K]

I move that we stop feeding the troll. Do I have a second?

 

[maranatha]

I move that we stop feeding the troll. Do I have a second?

2nd.

 

[Adam_K]

Awesome.

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait until Sazi (or another mod) arrives to lock the thread.

Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy my pint of Fat Tire.

I'd like to suggest that you do the same or something equivalent.

 

[maranatha]

Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy my pint of Fat Tire.

👍

 

[billydoc]

haha First off these are not exactly the more desirable programs. I mean location alone for penn state, rochester and louisville alone is enough fewer good AMGs applying. Second on what basis are you calling these good programs-I am talking about desirable programs for AMG's-you can name a bunch of schools and call them good because there is no way to rank them but everyone knows the more desirable programs for either the program or the weather/city etc.

Plus again problems reading-I was talking about IMG's from ross etc-American IMGs that could not get in here-Rochester has 2 IMGs from ross or st. george out of the 4 years. They have 2 other IMG's that are from china and another country-and like my initial post stated and I continue to say-to me these are not the IMG's that are looked down upon by many. So ok-2 out of all four years at a moderate program. Your other 3 programs are average and then combine location-they are undesirable. I am willing to bet they have IMG's cause they are not desirable. I am not going to find their link-but since you wanted to prove me wrong-show me-or do not because I said DESIRABLE or GOOD programs

There are some exceptions to being a U.S IMG. I've met quite a few ppl at ROSS who just like myself had a professional life in healthcare field (i.e RN, PA, PT , chiro etc). For many age was and is a factor. There is no question that most could've gotten in D.O and even some allo programs. But that would mean another about two years for some brushing up on prereqs, MCAT prep etc. Many older IMGs pretty much know what they get themselves in, and are looking to be FP, psych, IM, peds....things that at least for now are quite attainable via IMG route. So, the generalizations even with this group are way off.

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Awesome.

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait until Sazi (or another mod) arrives to lock the thread.

Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy my pint of Fat Tire.

I'd like to suggest that you do the same or something equivalent.

I keep hearing great things about this stuff--but where can I get it in the Midwest, huh?

Me, I'm just sipping merlot and working my way through the (new) Doctor Who Season 1 set. (Funny thing about this--my wife & I used to watch the old BBC reruns on PBS when we were first married...now we're watching the new incarnation with the kiddles and they're eating it up! Thank you Doctor, you saved humanity once again!!)

 

[Adam_K]

I keep hearing great things about this stuff--but where can I get it in the Midwest, huh?

Apparently, Missouri and Chicago. At least that is according to the wikipedia page.

 

[Chinnychin]

How many of you guys on this thread are FMG's? You sure are pro-fmg like it is your life cause to fight for-man I am glad that is not me

 

[Adam_K]

How many of you guys on this thread are FMG's? You sure are pro-fmg like it is your life cause to fight for-man I am glad that is not me

It's Saturday night. If you have nothing better to do than to pick a fight online, what does that say about you?

As far as my Saturday night plans go, sadly I'm away from home (and my SO) between interviews.

 

[Chinnychin]

Its called being on Call bro-ready to head home and sleep-so what without your SO you have no saturday night plans-pretty lame. I still would never sit on the internet if I was at a hotel in a different city or at home-I would have gotten out and did something-think before you speak and get a life will ya-sounds like you have very littel but your SO since you obviously had to mentioned them irrelevently in the post-its ok some are not meant to have lives-word

 

[billydoc]

How many of you guys on this thread are FMG's? You sure are pro-fmg like it is your life cause to fight for-man I am glad that is not me

Yeah, Yeah we get it, Frankenstein...IMG:Baaaaad, AMG:Goooooood.

About 40% of psych docs in U.S are either true FMGs or U.S IMGs.
C'mon get over it

 

[Anasazi23]

I keep hearing great things about this stuff--but where can I get it in the Midwest, huh?

Me, I'm just sipping merlot and working my way through the (new) Doctor Who Season 1 set. (Funny thing about this--my wife & I used to watch the old BBC reruns on PBS when we were first married...now we're watching the new incarnation with the kiddles and they're eating it up! Thank you Doctor, you saved humanity once again!!)

I'm watching...and allowing this thread and similar ones to attempt to moderate themselves. Continued comments such as these will result in infractions or bannings, which I hate to have to do.

Your mother's adage still hold true, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

BTW, OPD, it looksl like you may be able to get that Fat Tire...
http://www.newbelgium.com/faq.php

Unfortunately for me, I'll have to wait.
This is my new favorite one:
http://www.stpetersbrewery.co.uk/range/prod_detail.asp?CatID=1&Code=CRCASE

They make other great ones too...

 

[sga430]

this is in response to chinnychins comments about not being imgs at desireable programs. although i am an img i have interviewed at places that there r not many or no IMGs. like uc davis, thomas jefferson, ucla-harbor, u of colorodo, wash u, UNC, shepherd-pratt/u of maryland, etc. these programs and locations i feel are not super top-rate (a la harvard) but they are extremely desirable. i have met even more competive IMGs getting invites at ucla-npi. ucsd and duke.

again i will say that IMG% in a program is not absolute but may indicate something about either the location or the program itself. it is all about supply and demand. if for example in the next 2 years you see no new IMGs at deleware psychiatry institute i would take a relook at the program. the only 2 AMG applicants i saw at St. Vincent's Staten Island was one miliatary applicant and one AMG who took a year off. they i feel had unique and limiting situations. even then, i feel they would not accept an offer from them (they dont use the match. hmm. that is why ms4s cant apply there perhaps??) after being on 41 interviews (and 5 more for the last match) i believe have a decent idea on what kind of programs attract which kind of people.

it makes sense to believe on what i am saying. AMGs have top-rate rank lists and will rank the crappy programs low or decline the invite. a lot of IMGs will take prematches anywhere or have shorter RoLs (or longer if they are lucky.) programs tend to rank IMGs lower.

the reason i think deleware psych institute and st. vincents staten island dont use the match is that they can get the best candidates possible by dangling a prematch offer as they both will be at the bottom of any1's rank list except for location reasons. the way they do their interviews reflects this. they dont even attempt to sell the program nor did one of them offer us lunch. if these programs could get ms4 amgs why would they not use the match then?? why do most desireable programs not use the prematch?

 

[grishko2007]

I found the bio sheet. Yale has 14 IMG's in their PGYI-IV classes, 7 of which are PGYII's. I was impressed rather than deterred by these numbers, and I think my fellow applicants were too.

 

[watto]

I'm watching...and allowing this thread and similar ones to attempt to moderate themselves. Continued comments such as these will result in infractions or bannings, which I hate to have to do.

People need to realize that their words on this site are read by those who actually have a say in match decisions...why give people a reason to question your personality organization on this board? That in itself just screams social madaptation.

 

[Anasazi23]

People need to realize that their words on this site are read by those who actually have a say in match decisions...why give people a reason to question your personality organization on this board? That in itself just screams social madaptation.

I'm not exactly sure who this is directed to. Assuming it's me, I can be happy to make a comment regarding the general feeling of board moderation if anyone is interested.

If it's directed to the now-banned former member, then yes, I agree.
🙂

 

[sga430]

I found the bio sheet. Yale has 14 IMG's in their PGYI-IV classes, 7 of which are PGYII's. I was impressed rather than deterred by these numbers, and I think my fellow applicants were too.

wow. that is impressive. may in a way disprove what i said. however, i wonder how the IMG ratio would have been if Yale was in manhattan, boston or beverly hills?? 😕 however i am certain the IMGs at yale have impressive CVs and usmle scores. they possibly would have been published as well and/or trained as psychiatrists.

once i see delware psych institute or st. vincents staten island filled with AMG residents i will admit either that i am wrong or those programs changed dramatically.

 

[Caetano-MD]

Damn! This thread is a waste of time!

Don't you guys have lives? Who cares?????

Later......!