Do you guys curse a lot?

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I shadowed a sportmed/spine guy this weekend and he dropped F bombs, S bombs, and B bombs like he was a kamikaze pilot in WW2.

i was shocked, and didn't know if it was appropriate or not for me to indulge in poopy-mouthing, so I tested the waters and said "Gosh, Dammit!" when I couldn't remember a name whilst talking to a nurse and still in close proximity to the surg. He quickly looked over at me and gave me smug/sly look with a smirk. I couldn't make-out if he appreciated my outburst or not. Needless to say, I didn't curse again, or speak at all for that matter. He was a cool dude. Kinda off though if you know what I mean.
 
No I never ****in curse in public goddammit!
 
What's a "B bomb" - bitch?

The use of foul language is pretty common in surgery, if not medicine in general. And yes, while I was definitely NOT raised amongst foul language (I think I heard my mother whisper damnit once), I do find myself saying a few choice words now and again. It also gets worse when I am around other surgeons.

Lately after some of the problems I've been having, "I mean, WTF" is a favorite saying of mine.
 
Winged Scapula said:
What's a "B bomb" - bitch?

The use of foul language is pretty common in surgery, if not medicine in general. And yes, while I was definitely NOT raised amongst foul language (I think I heard my mother whisper damnit once), I do find myself saying a few choice words now and again. It also gets worse when I am around other surgeons.

Lately after some of the problems I've been having, "I mean, WTF" is a favorite saying of mine.
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Woah Woah WS, calm down. B bomb = boobs. Please review SDN terms of service and reevaluate priorities.😀

i kid, i kid. Yes, its bitch.

wait, so you say "I mean, WTF," as in literally saying the letters "W.T.F."? as in "I mean, Double you, Tee, eff"?
 
Tyc00nman said:
Woah Woah WS, calm down. B bomb = boobs. Please review SDN terms of service and reevaluate priorities.😀
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Bitch is an allowable term on SDN. I can say it all I want as long as its not directed toward someone. 😛

i kid, i kid. Yes, its bitch.

wait, so you say "I mean, WTF," as in literally saying the letters "W.T.F."? as in "I mean, Double you, Tee, eff"?
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Saying the letters? Well, that would be be dumb (and not a little nerdy).

No, I actually say "I mean, what the ****?!!"
 
B bomb could be bastard, bullocks, balls (actually one of my favorite outbursts by a resident)
 
we curse a lot. makes the day go a little smoother.



I would think if you are shadowing someone you should behave respectfully and appropriately. If you were in our OR we'd all think you were trying a little too hard to fit in with a random "gosh, dammit"...Who says gosh anyway??


Wait until you're part of the "club" before you engage in such behavior. Would seem more appropriate to me.
 
Blade28 said:
Agreed. Usually it's only between residents, without patients or attendings within earshot.
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Hell my attendings curse more than I do. Makes for a fun time in the OR unless it's directed at me 😀
 
Define alot.
 
Yeah, and it's really bad. I had a very conservative upbringing and there was no swearing in the household. when i was home last Christmas I accidently said the F word in front of my parents. My mother threatened to wash my mouth out with soap!!!

You don't have to swear to fit in, but it's hard not to when you hear it all the time and it becomes normal.
 
Nightmare facial fracture case starts late on Tuesday due to GS f***ing around, it's 01:00 and I'm plating the mandible:

Attending: "Dre, quit being such a f***ing p***y with that elevator. Raise the f***ing periosteum and plate that piece of **** so I can f***ing go home!"

Dre (operating at lightspeed): "..."

Attending: "Fine, f*** it, it's reduced, occlusion's fine, whatever. Plate that son of a bitch and close up."

Dre (operating at ludicrous speed): "..."

Attending (ripping off gown and gloves with relish/malice): "Damn. I can't believe that took so f***ing long. When you close, think you can remember to tie f***ing square knots and be quick about it? Act like a f***ing plastic surgeon."

Dre (fingers literally smoking): "..."
 
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The surgeons I rotated with cursed waaay more than anyone I've ever met. Made me mildly uncomfortable, but I think the real problem was all the sex talk. The worst was when one particularly vulgar attending warned me that students who go to the administration about possible sexual harrassment don't get very good evaluations. After that, the constant cursing didn't bother me as much.....and no, I never joined in with the cursing or sex talk. To me, both of these things seem out of place in the professional setting. Just my opinion, though...
 
"You can curse, but not at a nurse." 🙂

I saw a senior attending surgeon get written up for cursing at someone in the OR. Not a big deal really, but now inhouse rules include lowering the intensity level when relating to other staff, especially curtailing "foul" language directed at a person in anger. Interestingly though, a man calling a woman a "bitch" to her face will draw a suspension, a woman calling a man a "bastard" will not - hey, this is Texas... 😀
 
That's not fair. Just cause I'm a woman, shouldn't give me the right to call a man bitch or bastard. Everything should be equal.
 
I did throw up, after seeing your picture. Oh wait. Sorry. You said GROW up. My bad.
 
The problem with cursing all the time is it dilutes the effect and instead makes you sound like an inarticulate prepubescent tool trying to impress the big kids. It's the same with yelling all the time -- it just raises the stress level for everyone without accomplishing anything, which is poor leadership.

It's much better to save yelling and cursing for those times when you need the verbal equivalent of lighting a firecracker under some asses.
 
Tired said:
I never curse when I'm angry, because then whoever you're getting mad at can just bust out with, "Well, he was cursing at me" and you automatically lose.

I just enjoy cursing casually in normal conversation. Ala "Dude, you've got a f-ing big prostate. We better do something about that bitch."
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Exactly. Definitely in casual conversation. I don't curse at people when I'm mad. I just repeat my point and say " this is unacceptable" our hospital is really laid back so a stern tone and telling someone stuff isn't going to fly usually gets the point across.
 
We've got a plastic surgeon who suffered some sort of TBI in a car crash years ago. He has rehabilitated himself and has a really strong reputation (and he's a heck of a guy). Towards the end of the day, though, when he gets tired, whatever frontal lobe injury he suffered really seems to come out. The expletives are one thing, but he occasionally starts in on his residents' bodies and stuff.

"Yes, I'm looking at your tits; they're perfect!" and that sort of thing...

People have gotten used to it and everyone sorta laughs and understands it's his injury, but the first time I worked with the guy, it was pretty shocking.
 
cchoukal said:
We've got a plastic surgeon who suffered some sort of TBI in a car crash years ago. He has rehabilitated himself and has a really strong reputation (and he's a heck of a guy). Towards the end of the day, though, when he gets tired, whatever frontal lobe injury he suffered really seems to come out. The expletives are one thing, but he occasionally starts in on his residents' bodies and stuff.

"Yes, I'm looking at your tits; they're perfect!" and that sort of thing...

People have gotten used to it and everyone sorta laughs and understands it's his injury, but the first time I worked with the guy, it was pretty shocking.
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That is very bizzare actually.
 
Frontal lobe injury aside, I tend not to be much of an "in anger" curser either. As noted above, its much more effective to demonstrate your anger with a strongly worded statement, which doesn't contain curse words or only a few choice ones. I have always liked the "this is inappropriate" or "unacceptable" turn of phrase when things aren't going my way.
 
I never, ever used to swear. Before I started residency, I'd said the F word ONCE in my life, and that one time was in the context of a conversation that went, "Mommie,when people talk about the F word, do they mean ****?"

I blacked out after that.

Since I started residency, however, I find that there are situations for which sanitized language won't do the issues justice. For example, when I take a look, by chance, at a CXR done in the ER 8 hours prior, on a patient on whom I've not been consulted, and see a crapload of free air, what should my response be?

"Oh sugar"?
 
Tired said:
Ah Ortho, already I feel the connection slipping away (no R2 year for me, I'm off training for a stint with the by-God United States Marine Corps).
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The GMO tour...it will make you a better all around doctor. Maybe you'll even learn how to manage peri-operative medical problems.

Heck, who am I kidding, as soon as you get back to Ortho land, it will all be for naught!:meanie:

At the time of my departure, there was signficant consternation, since our primary method of conveying our displeasure with other services (rage) had come under fire due to an ugly incident involving a Medicine R3, a Transitional Intern, an Ortho R2, and a preop admission.

We had largely settled on wearing under-sized scrub tops, and whenever someone made us mad, we'd flex the pecs and roar as we tore off the shirt.
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:laugh:
 
Tired said:
(I have my first three books already picked out: Freud, Melville, and Spinoza)
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Serious? You really read those guys? Cause if you do, that's cool.
 
littlebastard said:
Serious? You really read those guys? Cause if you do, that's cool.
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I think you will find that many people outside of medicine read and do 'nontraditional' (in reference to medicine) things. It is more of a 'what would you do if you had unlimited time' question.
 
Tired said:
Once upon a time (re: before MS3 year) I would go on jags where I would read a few books along a theme. Second-wave feminist theory, third-wave feminist theory.
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😕
 
I can't imagine that reading Nietszche in internship makes anything any better.

Masochistic streak, Tired?
 
pagemmapants said:
I can't imagine that reading Nietszche in internship makes anything any better.

Masochistic streak, Tired?
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Hey now. Nietszche is awesome. One of my favorite quotes is by him!

"The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything. "


He had a *great* sense of irony and humor.
 
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