Do you guys get "Where is that?" for your school?

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Hello people~ When you guys are telling people where you go for medical school, do you get stuff like, "I've never heard of it" or "Where is that?" or something like that? D.O. schools are relatively new compare with M.D. schools. Some people are not even aware of the D.O. schools in America. I really don't like explaining where and what Western U COMP is (The school that I'm attending next year). Can't believe some people judge whether a school is "good" or not by whether they heard of it before or not. 😡 I believe COMP is a great school and I can make the most out of it to be a competent doctor. 🙂
 
That is really funny, isn't it? I got questions like that all the time. I explained the state that it was in and left it at that. If I was in a run in with somebody that asked me if the school was good, I always said that in med school there really isn't a good school or bad school--we all learn the same material and take the same test in the end. That usually ends the conversation about it being a "good" school.
 
I am lucky that my school has its location in its name...when I say I go to "Lake Erie" College of Osteopathic Medicine the location is self-explanatory. 😀
 
Doctor G said:
Hello people~ When you guys are telling people where you go for medical school, do you get stuff like, "I've never heard of it" or "Where is that?" or something like that? D.O. schools are relatively new compare with M.D. schools. Some people are not even aware of the D.O. schools in America. I really don't like explaining where and what Western U COMP is (The school that I'm attending next year). Can't believe some people judge whether a school is "good" or not by whether they heard of it before or not. 😡 I believe COMP is a great school and I can make the most out of it to be a competent doctor. 🙂

Why would you let other people's opinions bother you?

You're going to move away and make new friends anyway.
 
1viking said:
If I was in a run in with somebody that asked me if the school was good, I always said that in med school there really isn't a good school or bad school--we all learn the same material and take the same test in the end.

Actually...there are some schools that are better than others. Sugar coating the situation doesn't do anyone any good. While there may not be "bad" medical schools (because they all have to get accredited), there is definitely a wide spectrum of quality.

It can be humbling to admit that COMP (or a State school, or TCOM or whatever) isn't as good a school as say, Harvard or Stanford. But that's the reality. Harvard and Stanford have world class facilities, teachers, research, and hospitals...not to mention big bucks. COMP may have some excellent features, but on the whole you cannot say that you will get the same education there as you would at a top school, and if you do you are lying to yourself and everyone else.

While that can be hard to swallow, it's much healthier than telling people that there is no hierarchy of medical education, because there really is.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't be an excellent doctor no matter where you went to school, because of course you can. But what you are doing when you say there are no good or bad medical schools is protecting your ego from being judged by the person who is asking the question. A better response might be to turn it around and ask them why they want to know if the school you are going to is "good" or not. Most people won't admit that they want to know where you stand in the hierarchy of Smart People, but that is essentially what they are asking.

Maybe at that point you could let them in on the secret that the vast majority of doctors in the world graduate from medical schools that are not in the top ten or twenty, but they do a fine job with their patients nonetheless.
 
sophiejane said:
the vast majority of doctors in the world graduate from medical schools that are not in the top ten or twenty, but they do a fine job with their patients nonetheless.

Agreed.

I think most doctor's also agree that where you do your graduate medical education is more important than where you went to medical school.
 
I always include "it's in northern MO" after KCOM when people ask where I'm going to medical school.
 
sophiejane said:
Actually...there are some schools that are better than others. Sugar coating the situation doesn't do anyone any good. While there may not be "bad" medical schools (because they all have to get accredited), there is definitely a wide spectrum of quality.

It can be humbling to admit that COMP (or a State school, or TCOM or whatever) isn't as good a school as say, Harvard or Stanford. But that's the reality. Harvard and Stanford have world class facilities, teachers, research, and hospitals...not to mention big bucks. COMP may have some excellent features, but on the whole you cannot say that you will get the same education there as you would at a top school, and if you do you are lying to yourself and everyone else.

While that can be hard to swallow, it's much healthier than telling people that there is no hierarchy of medical education, because there really is.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't be an excellent doctor no matter where you went to school, because of course you can. But what you are doing when you say there are no good or bad medical schools is protecting your ego from being judged by the person who is asking the question. A better response might be to turn it around and ask them why they want to know if the school you are going to is "good" or not. Most people won't admit that they want to know where you stand in the hierarchy of Smart People, but that is essentially what they are asking.

Maybe at that point you could let them in on the secret that the vast majority of doctors in the world graduate from medical schools that are not in the top ten or twenty, but they do a fine job with their patients nonetheless.

SophieJane,

Very well said... i totally agree with what you said...
 
This thread is such a typical DO post by a typical DO student. Constantly feeling that others feel superior to them and being extremely defensive about this fact.......and I stress the word FACT.
 
FernandoV said:
This thread is such a typical DO post by a typical DO student. Constantly feeling that others feel superior to them and being extremely defensive about this fact.......and I stress the word FACT.

You are absolutely right. Others may in "fact" FEEL superior, but that doesn't mean they are.

Usually people who have a need to feel superior to someone else are insecure about their own competency.
 
FernandoV said:
This thread is such a typical DO post by a typical DO student. Constantly feeling that others feel superior to them and being extremely defensive about this fact.......and I stress the word FACT.

troll
 
dpw68 said:
Where at on Lake Erie? :laugh: :laugh:


The whole name thing doesn't work quite as well for me.....I will be attending LECOM Bradenton.....Try and explain why your school is in Florida.....typical response "I didn't know that lake was that big!"

I personally get a kick out of it, I don't get offended, most people don't know where any medical school is located....maybe if we got a football team or something....what do you guys think?

M-
LECOM-B c/o 09'
 
A football team won't help any. Case in point: Without googling, where is Wake Forest located? How about Purdue? Gonzaga? These schools had very successfull men's basketball teams, but most people don't even know where the schools are located.
 
1viking said:
A football team won't help any. Case in point: Without googling, where is Wake Forest located? How about Purdue? Gonzaga? These schools had very successfull men's basketball teams, but most people don't even know where the schools are located.

Unless you are a basketball fan.
 
1viking said:
A football team won't help any. Case in point: Without googling, where is Wake Forest located? How about Purdue? Gonzaga? These schools had very successfull men's basketball teams, but most people don't even know where the schools are located.

Sadly I know where everyone of those schools are but I agree that most would not. I think most people have not heard of any med schools with the exception of Harvard and maybe a few others. For the most part they have only heard of the associated undergrad, football team, basketball team etc. The DO students from Michigan State, Virginia Tech, and Oklahoma State probably don't get the same response as the rest of us due to their football/basketball teams. Just ask these same people if they have ever heard of Princeton University School of Medicine. I bet they will say they have when in reality it doesn't exist.
 
Doctor G said:
Hello people~ When you guys are telling people where you go for medical school, do you get stuff like, "I've never heard of it" or "Where is that?" or something like that? D.O. schools are relatively new compare with M.D. schools. Some people are not even aware of the D.O. schools in America. I really don't like explaining where and what Western U COMP is (The school that I'm attending next year). Can't believe some people judge whether a school is "good" or not by whether they heard of it before or not. 😡 I believe COMP is a great school and I can make the most out of it to be a competent doctor. 🙂

Just make sure you say, "I am going to Western University in Pomona, CA." This immediately takes away the "where is that?" question.

I wouldn't even bother saying anymore about it....matter of fact, I don't.

If you tell them its an osteopathic medical school and give them an opportunity to say "what is that?" then you just made your own bed and you must lie in it.
 
I whole heartedly agree with JMC. I can't count how many times I've had other students repond to me with "I've never heard it."

Generally I dismiss this relatively quickly, but lately the first thing that comes to mind is, "Of course you haven't heard of it - there are 145+ medical schools!" To spare any long drawn conversations, I haven't actually said that to anyone though.

It seems I only receive these responses from other pre-med/pre-health students though; the other non-science majors and working professionals I've talked to haven't once mentioned this. Frankly, they don't seem to care what the name is either.

I talked to a facial plastic surgeon a few weeks ago, about this exact same question ("What is that?"). It was pretty much synonymous with what JMC said. If you don't want to bother with explaining what an "osteopathic medical school" is, you absolutely do not have to. It is a medical school, end of story.

Just a quick note, so that no one misconstrues my post. I am not advocating hiding your degree/medical school by any means. I am very proud that I am going to be a part of the osteopathic profession; with that said, I will admit it can be tiring to explain oneself constantly to other people.
 
I've tried explaining several different ways. My school's full name is way too long, the acronym doesn't make much sense to people who don't know it, so when people ask me now (who aren't doctors or medical students or applicants) I just say "New Jersey". It's not as if they'd know that there's more than one school there anyway.

It's only if the person is actually interested in the school that I tell them the full name and explain what osteopathic medicine is. At first I was all gung-ho about explaining it to everyone but after a while it does get a bit old. Most people in Rochester don't know of any other medical schools besides U of R, Buffalo, Syracuse and the Ivies anyway.
 
Not exactly related, but, I grew up in UK and applied to US undergrad from there. I ended up going to Penn State and my favorite questions from people were indeed 'Where's/what's that?' 😀
 
Kazema said:
I've tried explaining several different ways. My school's full name is way too long, the acronym doesn't make much sense to people who don't know it, so when people ask me now (who aren't doctors or medical students or applicants) I just say "New Jersey". It's not as if they'd know that there's more than one school there anyway.

It's only if the person is actually interested in the school that I tell them the full name and explain what osteopathic medicine is. At first I was all gung-ho about explaining it to everyone but after a while it does get a bit old. Most people in Rochester don't know of any other medical schools besides U of R, Buffalo, Syracuse and the Ivies anyway.

yeah, telling people about UMDNJ is fun. if you say UMDNJ, the initial reaction is usually Maryland? I thought you were going to New Jersey. then, if you explain, the university of medicine and dentistry of new jersey ... did you say university of dentistry? aren't you going to med school?
 
I'm lucky in the sense that my school has "Oklahoma" in the name. If they don't know where that is, I'm perfectly within my rights to spit in their face and question how they are able to keep their muscles moving with such feeble brain power.

Course, I could also grab them by the back of the neck and slam their head up against a map of the United States, making sure their forehead continually slams against the state of Oklahoma.

OKLAHOMA (BAM) IS (BAM) IN (BAM) THE (BAM) MID (BAM) WEST! (BAM BAM BAM)
 
PublicEnemy said:
yeah, telling people about UMDNJ is fun. if you say UMDNJ, the initial reaction is usually Maryland? I thought you were going to New Jersey. then, if you explain, the university of medicine and dentistry of new jersey ... did you say university of dentistry? aren't you going to med school?

Wow, that's like word for word the conversations I used to have with people.
 
I love it that DO students haven't even heard of my school. Many are like you go where??? That's in what state?
 
Doctor G said:
Hello people~ When you guys are telling people where you go for medical school, do you get stuff like, "I've never heard of it" or "Where is that?" or something like that? D.O. schools are relatively new compare with M.D. schools. Some people are not even aware of the D.O. schools in America. I really don't like explaining where and what Western U COMP is (The school that I'm attending next year). Can't believe some people judge whether a school is "good" or not by whether they heard of it before or not. 😡 I believe COMP is a great school and I can make the most out of it to be a competent doctor. 🙂



I definitely know what you are going through. I tell people I will be going to Touro University, and most people look at me some what confused ( 😕 ) and concerned.
Most of my family and friends cannot even remember the name of my school, half of the time. Sheeesh!
 
medicine1 said:
I definitely know what you are going through. I tell people I will be going to Touro University, and most people look at me some what confused ( 😕 ) and concerned.
Most of my family and friends cannot even remember the name of my school, half of the time. Sheeesh!
I can't relate to this post. When i say Pikeville College School of Osteopathic Medicine(KY)people know just where i mean and are extremely impressed. Actually most just faint right on the spot. And the fact that i am originally from CT makes it even better.:laugh:
 
medicine1 said:
I definitely know what you are going through. I tell people I will be going to Touro University, and most people look at me some what confused ( 😕 ) and concerned.
Most of my family and friends cannot even remember the name of my school, half of the time. Sheeesh!

Hey medicine1,

Looks like we're all in this together 🙂

Just yesterday I had another person tell me they've "never heard of it." Oh well. I seriously think it's about time the AOA started doing something to increase the public's awareness of our profession.

At least with TUCOM-NV, a good majority of Southern Nevada will soon be educated on what exactly a DO is.
 
Fenrezz said:
I'm lucky in the sense that my school has "Oklahoma" in the name.

not only that, but since we have major D-I sports programs, people outside of medicine recognize it readily (esp with our recent success with basketball). definitely easier than explaining pikesville, kirksville, "lake erie", or hell, most of any of the rest of them :laugh: 😛

--your friendly neighborhood thank god for the final four caveman
 
Fenrezz said:
OKLAHOMA (BAM) IS (BAM) IN (BAM) THE (BAM) MID (BAM) WEST! (BAM BAM BAM)


You must really be a chimp! Oklahoma is in the south/southwest not the midwest. :laugh: It looks like someone else needs to take a geography course. 😀
 
wertyjoe said:
Oklahoma is in the south/southwest not the midwest.

Let me get the wording exactly correct, in that case: Oklahoma is in the West South Central United States (not the southwest, by the way).

I forgot this SDN, land of the anal retentive douche bags. 👍
 
You guys really need to lighten up! It was a joke!
 
Homunculus said:
not only that, but since we have major D-I sports programs, people outside of medicine recognize it readily (esp with our recent success with basketball). definitely easier than explaining pikesville, kirksville, "lake erie", or hell, most of any of the rest of them :laugh: 😛

--your friendly neighborhood thank god for the final four caveman


That damn phantom "s" appears again. I will never figure out why people always add the "s" to pikeville. I blame the AOA, Kirksville, and the MD's!! 😉
 
Pikevillemedstudent said:
That damn phantom "s" appears again. I will never figure out why people always add the "s" to pikeville. I blame the AOA, Kirksville, and the MD's!! 😉

Well, he is just a friendly neighborhood thank god for the final four caveman, after all.
 
1viking said:
A football team won't help any. Case in point: Without googling, where is Wake Forest located? How about Purdue? Gonzaga? These schools had very successfull men's basketball teams, but most people don't even know where the schools are located.
Viking,
I went to Gonzaga! I know where it is! I also know where Purdue is, having several friends who went there.
The whole point is, The school is not what makes a good doctor!...You can be a harvard grad and still be a quack...In New jersey, a harvard grad recently lost his license for very questionable medical practices inaddiction medicine. He may have gone to the premier medical school but it didn't keep him from being a BAD doctor.
 
I almost went to Gonzaga, but instead chose to go to U of Colorado, Boulder. Did you enjoy Gonzaga? They sure had a couple of great NCAA tournament runs 👍
 
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