Do you read www.cnn.com??

[EctopicFetus]

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Clearly the guy just set up a profile to do that. I think it was his 1st post..Thanx for booting him..

 

[spyderdoc]

Clearly the guy just set up a profile to do that. I think it was his 1st post..Thanx for booting him..

Yeah, I almost never interfere with the posts, but this clearly is an exception.

 

[DocCM]

I guess Hornet thinks it's cool for Iran to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth as well (their stated goal along with the Palenstinians). Genocide huh. Well, I don't have any clue to what you're talking about, and I pretty sure you don't either.

Anyway, I'll leave this debate alone as well. The last time I got into this, it turned into a 10+ page thread and accomplished really nothing other than some entertainment.

Good luck to everyone starting residencies soon.
CM

 

[EctopicFetus]

DocCM the point is to or at least thats my point. The great thing about this country is we dont have to see eye to eye.. We can discuss these topics and not worry about the government hunting us down.

 

[DocCM]

DocCM the point is to or at least thats my point. The great thing about this country is we dont have to see eye to eye.. We can discuss these topics and not worry about the government hunting us down.

You're right EF. I tend to get invested in these threads and they turn out to be a huge time investement as well! 🙂
CM

 

[EctopicFetus]

Ehh its not like you are gonna change anyones opinion on here but rather it is an opportunity to present various opinions. IMO it is extremely important to listen to people who disagree with your position. We should always be evaluating why we believe what we do and if our position makes sense to us. Well Im gonna run out with the wife and "enjoy" a cold rainy nasty day in Chicago. Im ready for the sun and heat of Tucson... of course there is that whole sub-i thing i need to finish.. yuck..

 

[Hornet871]

In response to your questions/statements:

- North Korea wants to destroy our country with nuclear weapons. At least they've made some serious threats in that direction. So does Iran, but they don't have the bomb - yet.

- No, I don't want Iran to have have nuclear weapons, because unlike most of the countries in the world with nukes, I'm afraid that they might actually use them.

- When I used the term "Axis of Evil," I was being kind of sarcastic. These countries do pose a threat to us, but I think it was counterproductive from a strategic and diplomatic standpoint for Bush to group them together.

- People who say we should "nuke them all" in various Middle Eastern countries are ignorant. I don't think any country should ever use nuclear weapons, and I think we should do everything we can to prevent more countries from joining the nuclear club.

- Our country has done some bad things in the past, e.g., our treatment of Native Americans. I have a major problem with more recent activities by our government with respect to human rights, e.g., Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, and apparently at a network of secret prisons in Eastern Europe. However, to equate these recent activities with "genocide" of the sort that is taking place in Africa is a big stretch.

-When has North Korea said that they want to destroy our country? I might have missed it.

-You're afraid that "unlike most countries in the world", Iran might actually use nukes if they had them. Um, excuse me, which is the only country in the world to use nuclear weapons (and on civilian population centers, no less)? Oh yeah, that would be US!

-Iran is not stupid. If they used nukes against the United States they would face massive retaliation and be exterminated as a nation. They want to get nukes because the U.S., Russia, Israel, and all the other big players in the world have them.

-Nuclear weapons are a deterrent and a stabilizing force in the world. The reason we haven't invaded North Korea (besides their lacking oil) and will NEVER invade North Korea is because they have nukes. We knew Saddam Hussein didn't have nukes or chemical weapons, and that's why we illegally invaded his country and decided to let our boys have at it murdering kids and raping women.

-It's not just "counterproductive from a diplomatic and strategic standpoint" for Bush to use the term "Axis of Evil". (What you're saying is, "I agree with the content of what he said, but I wish he hadn't said it in public." Kind of like how some people think blacks are lazy and criminal-minded, but they don't think it wise to say it publicly.) It just makes no sense from a rational standpoint. Iran, Iraq, and North Korea never formed an "axis" because they were never allied around any common cause in any meaningful way. They were not a team of bad guys working together to screw the U.S.

-Yes, I only come on this board like once every three months and then suddenly disappear. Guilty as charged. I wish I had more time to devote to this forum, but I haven't.

-Let me get this straight: we, the United States, have nuclear missiles capable of reaching any country on this earth, but we're so innocent and sweet and we don't want to hurt anyone - it's all about self-defense! - but if someone else wants to acquire even 1/40 of our nuclear capability they're somehow evil. You pretty much have to be a blind racist a$$hole to see things that way.

-"People who say that we should 'nuke them all' in various Middle Eastern countries are ignorant." You're right. And, of course, they don't represent most of America, right? They're some kind of rare exception. And yet it's odd that I've heard this sentiment repeatedly in my adult life. I remember reading in the letters section of TIME magazine in 1998 that "in countries like Afghanistan, there is no such thing as an innocent civilian."

When my grandfather came to this country during the first Gulf War, he was stunned to hear a Presbyterian minister, who should be among the moral leaders of our nation, give such violent speeches endorsing wholesale massacre and destruction of Iraq that he couldn't bear to attend church anymore.

-Whoever said that Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel should examine reality. Israel has ALREADY destroyed Palestine. They stole the land, uprooted the native inhabitants, and oppress and murder the ones who have remained. I should know, because Israel is my country.

Trust me, when I did my required military service in Israel, we were never told to take great pains to "respect human rights" and all that other bull crap you hear Israeli military officials say on TV all the time. We were openly encouraged to wreak havoc in the Territories, to terrorize the Palestinian population.

Do you remember Yitzhak Rabin's publicly stated "break their bones" policy in the 1980s? Did you know that we were given orders to shoot any Palestinian child who sang folk songs or did patriotic folk dances, or who raised a Palestinian flag or wore any combination of colors on his person that could be construed as a Palestinian flag?

My country is founded on erasing the national existence of another people. When they try to assert their existence, such as by participating in the Olympics or submitting a film to the Academy Awards, we attempt to crush them. Israel lodged a formal protest with the International Olympic Committee in 1996, saying that Palestinian athletes should not be allowed to compete since Palestine does not exist as a country. Odd, because Puerto Rico is a not a country, either, and they send teams to the Olympic Games, but Israel never protested their participation.

This winter the Israeli government and several (rabidly) pro-Israeli American groups lobbied the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences not to allow "Paradise Now" as a Foreign Film entry from "Palestine".

I guess our famous former prime minister Golda Meir's thoughts sum up our national attitude best: "Who are the Palestinians? They don't exist."

-So please, don't talk to me about who wants to destroy whom. Talk to me about who HAS destroyed and is destroying whom, and then we can have a real conversation.


HORNET

"I may indeed be a lefty-commie-pinko, but I'm smarter than the rest of you combined."
-Noam Chomsky

 

[EctopicFetus]

-Whoever said that Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel should examine reality. Israel has ALREADY destroyed Palestine. They stole the land, uprooted the native inhabitants, and oppress and murder the ones who have remained. I should know, because Israel is my country.

Obviously you know that Israel was there inhabited by jews prior to 1948.

Trust me, when I did my required military service in Israel, we were never told to take great pains to "respect human rights" and all that other bull crap you hear Israeli military officials say on TV all the time. We were openly encouraged to wreak havoc in the Territories, to terrorize the Palestinian population.

People are aware that whatever bs is on the news is not reality. If palestinians dont care about the lives of jews why should the jews care about the lives of the palestinians?

Do you remember Yitzhak Rabin's publicly stated "break their bones" policy in the 1980s? Did you know that we were given orders to shoot any Palestinian child who sang folk songs or did patriotic folk dances, or who raised a Palestinian flag or wore any combination of colors on his person that could be construed as a Palestinian flag?

Do you remember the palestinians celebrating in the streets after 9/11? Do you remember how Arafat turned down the chance to have his own country thinking he would get more?

My country is founded on erasing the national existence of another people. When they try to assert their existence, such as by participating in the Olympics or submitting a film to the Academy Awards, we attempt to crush them. Israel lodged a formal protest with the International Olympic Committee in 1996, saying that Palestinian athletes should not be allowed to compete since Palestine does not exist as a country. Odd, because Puerto Rico is a not a country, either, and they send teams to the Olympic Games, but Israel never protested their participation.

Uhh Puerto Rico is its own territory with well defined borders and not a state in the US. They want it this way, they had a vote to become an independent country but the majority of people rejected this because they have it pretty good. Also wasnt america founded after we basically erased the native americans off the planet? Well of course we got them those cute little reservations and gave them enough etoh so that they would never bother us again.

This winter the Israeli government and several (rabidly) pro-Israeli American groups lobbied the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences not to allow "Paradise Now" as a Foreign Film entry from "Palestine".

Uhh ok, why is this relevant? Muslims (palestinians included (though I know not all palestinians are muslim)) protested when a drawing of Muhammad was published.

I guess our famous former prime minister Golda Meir's thoughts sum up our national attitude best: "Who are the Palestinians? They don't exist."

Interesting thought..

-So please, don't talk to me about who wants to destroy whom. Talk to me about who HAS destroyed and is destroying whom, and then we can have a real conversation.

ok.... Who? The palestinians arent destroyed, neither is anyone else...

"I may indeed be a lefty-commie-pinko, but I'm smarter than the rest of you combined."
-Noam Chomsky

Just because chomsky said it doesnt mean it is true. Communism is all fun and games until you have been subjected to it. It is a form of govt that just doesnt work and rewards the lazy and the cheaters.

 

[Telemachus]

To anyone who actually reads these long-ass posts...... I salute you.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Mr. Jean shorts inventor man... We salute you...

 

[AlienHand]

There'a actually a web site with the lyrics to those ads: http://budlight.whipnet.com/. Good stuff! 🙂

MR. JEAN SHORTS INVENTOR

Bud Light Presents Real Men of Genius
(Real Men of Genius)

Today we salute you Mr. Jean Shorts Inventor
(Mr. Jean Shorts Inventor)
People insisted that jeans were just pants, apparently those people underestimated your out-of-the-box thinking
(A fashion trail blazer)
Casual enough for a BBQ, formal enough for a family reunion, your multi-dimensional creation handles both duties with ease
(You just said DOODY)
And what should we call your ground breaking achievement? How about Jorts?
(We really love your jorts)
So crack open an ice cold Bud Light Mr. Jorts Inventor, if fashion's a war, you're fighting dirty.
(Mr. Jorts Inventor)

 

[MedicinePowder]

You need some help with your reading comprehension.

Reading comprehension.....

You will need to attenuate your level of arrogance especially in the field of medicine, because being pretensious will only make you many enemies. i know your type--and narcissistic personality disorder isn't a pretty thing.

 

[EctopicFetus]

You will need to attenuate your level of arrogance especially in the field of medicine, because being pretensious will only make you many enemies. i know your type--and narcissistic personality disorder isn't a pretty thing.

Wow sweet you got me figured out. Clearly I should wear your assessment of me around so no one will confuse who I really am.. Thanks.

Simply put you either didnt read what or wrote or you were unable to properly understand it. Either way nothing I said or did was incorrect or improper.

 

[nocallaochicas]

You will need to attenuate your level of arrogance especially in the field of medicine, because being pretensious will only make you many enemies. i know your type--and narcissistic personality disorder isn't a pretty thing.

Where does this medicine powder character come from?

original reason for posting:

I would just like to support 95% of the Hornet's post.
Esp. the part about the US being the only country to USE nuclear weapons.

...and there is no arguement that I have heard yet about why a country like Iran should not be able to pursue nuclear weapons (which, by the way, no one is CERTAIN they are doing) when a superpower (USA) that has unilaterally attacked a neighbor (Iraq) is continually threatening said country.

I esp. love how the US claims it is wants to limit nuclear proliferation (often said when criticizing the potential pursuit in countries like Iran) yet invests in and pursues even more nuclear technology (ie the Bush admin's plan to develop smaller weapons that can be delivered "more accurately").

It is likely that someone will pull out the "stable" or "sane" US versus Iran arguement. Go ahead, just consider perspective (I promise there are Iranians who believe their government is the sane one and that the US is nuts) and history (as above, the US is the ONLY country to use nuclear weapons and is one of the few that is unilaterally attacking other countries).

One last comment before stepping down from the soapbox: I love it how the Bush admin claims that Iran should yield to international pressure and opinion! Where were these types of comments before the Iraq debacle?

Peace out.

 

[EctopicFetus]

While I cant disagree with much you said. I will point out one small thing. You mentioned...

the US is the ONLY country to use nuclear weapons and is one of the few that is unilaterally attacking other countries).

2 Issues here.
1) When the US used Nukes it was in a war which was not unilateral
2) Iraq did unilaterally invade Kuwait, also there are numerous other unilateral wars (Or genocides) raging in places like Africa.

 

[Janders]

Just to pretend to return to the original topic for a moment...

(courtesy of Drudge)

http://memory.loc.gov/cocoon/ihas/loc.natlib.ihas.100000007/pageturner.html?page=1&section=

http://usinfo.state.gov/esp/home/topics/us_society_values/national_symbols/anthem_spanish.html


I'm not sure what to conclude with the State Dept. website publishing multiple versions of our national anthem in Spanish, except for the apparent truth to the adage that history repeats itself.

(oh and on the repeated question on how I feel about cartoons of god, or someone's god... I have no problem with them. I certainly see how someone who believes in said god might be a bit pissy about them. I can even see how they are in rather poor taste. However, I think they are obviously protected speech. I'd like something a bit wittier than a turban-bomb though.)

 

[EctopicFetus]

I'd like something a bit wittier than a turban-bomb though.)

Practice makes perfect...Right? They have to start somewhere.

 

[Janders]

Practice makes perfect...Right? They have to start somewhere.

*pokes embers with stick*

Bush sang Star Spangled Banner en español during 2000 campaign
Wed May 03 2006 09:35:20 ET

"When visiting cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, in pivotal states, George W. Bush would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing “The Star-Spangled Banner” in Spanish, sometimes partying with a “Viva Bush” mariachi band flown in from Texas."

So writes author Kevin Phillips in his book AMERICAN DYNASTY.

Last week, at the height of the illegal immigrant's boycott build up, Bush told reporters: "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English."

 

[leviathan]

I am a left leaning Dem - and this news INFURIATED me. INFURIATED. The national anthem is a source of pride representing the fact that Americans may have diverse individual histories, but share a common future together as AMERICANS (note, there is no hyphen in front of Americans here). How dare any group of Americans change the lyrics to our anthem, and sing it in a foreign language?

😡 😡

So what they say must be true bout the United States being a melting pot and not a country that prides itself on multiculturalism?

Personally I think it's great that they want to sing the US anthem in their language. Would you rather they show absolutely no patriotism at all by not singing anything? I might be treading in hot waters here, but I'm just surprised that people are offended by this.

 

[Anuwolf]

Yo quero nuestro himno en espanol por favore!

Seriously you guys better just accept it and learn Spanish. They aren't going to close down the border, and there's no serious motivation for these guys to learn English.

Our ED is clogged with people who have lived here 5, 10, 20 years without learning English. It makes things difficult, since most of the time I can't find a translator.

Why do we need to learn spanish on an english speaking country? I feel in my honest opinion that if people wants to sing songs about the country should do it in english so that we all can understand it.

 

[EctopicFetus]

*pokes embers with stick*

Bush sang Star Spangled Banner en español during 2000 campaign
Wed May 03 2006 09:35:20 ET

"When visiting cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, in pivotal states, George W. Bush would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing “The Star-Spangled Banner” in Spanish, sometimes partying with a “Viva Bush” mariachi band flown in from Texas."

So writes author Kevin Phillips in his book AMERICAN DYNASTY.

Last week, at the height of the illegal immigrant's boycott build up, Bush told reporters: "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English."

Osama Bin Laden could sing it in farsi or whatever other language he wants it wont offend me..

Bush is clearly not someone to use for an example in any area requiring thinking.

 

[MatNeo]

The US has tried to be a melting pot...where cultures blend and mix, but a great number of these immigrants are blending or mixing with our culture, and I see their actions as trying to make the US more like Mexico.

Also, about the oil, about one third of our oil is imported from the Middle East, which by using reserves and other sources, can be done without for short term (~10 years)...which the Middle East economy is supported by the US buying oil. How much do they depend on us? About 95% of all exports of Afganistan, Iran and Iraq is oil going to the US. As much as we are dependent on their oil, they rely on the US as a steady buyer even more.