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Just curious. I completely forgot my father graduated from NYIT (the engineering program). Does this mean anything at all, or would it just be something I can casually bring up in an interview? Just curious....
Just curious. I completely forgot my father graduated from NYIT (the engineering program). Does this mean anything at all, or would it just be something I can casually bring up in an interview? Just curious....
That's what I figured. I wasn't going to go on about it or anything. It was more of a question out of curiosity.
You always gotta look for any slight advantage you can get 😉
Just curious. I completely forgot my father graduated from NYIT (the engineering program). Does this mean anything at all, or would it just be something I can casually bring up in an interview? Just curious....
My old Deans son owned a bar and he would stop in occasionally and we would have a drink together (my roommate was the bartender and I was always waiting for her to clean up) and talk about football. He's a great guy lol. No New Years parties though lolI wish I had a dean come to my New Year's Eve party. I wish I had New Year's Eve parties lolol
It will help...but not in the way you think it will help.
Get invited to a medical school graduation...any program throughout the country. You will see a common trend...the parking lot lined with BMWs and Mercedes. You will see the majority of students being awarded their diploma from doctor mommy, daddy, aunt, and uncle.
If I went to any newborn nursery and had to predict which babies would become doctors...I would find out which one's moms or dads are doctors...and that is where I would place my bet.
Med schools don't care (so much) about alumni...but children of physicians have a roadmap to medicine...they have the resources to excel.
It will help...but not in the way you think it will help.
Get invited to a medical school graduation...any program throughout the country. You will see a common trend...the parking lot lined with BMWs and Mercedes. You will see the majority of students being awarded their diploma from doctor mommy, daddy, aunt, and uncle.
If I went to any newborn nursery and had to predict which babies would become doctors...I would find out which one's moms or dads are doctors...and that is where I would place my bet.
Med schools don't care (so much) about alumni...but children of physicians have a roadmap to medicine...they have the resources to excel.
That's with any profession parents do, not just physicians.
Med schools don't care (so much) about alumni...but children of physicians have a roadmap to medicine...they have the resources to excel.
Disagree. This is a an overgeneralization in my opinion. A roadmap to medicine is gained by experience not by having parents who are doctors. If someone wants this bad enough there are more than enough resources out there to set them up for success. I think it's more a matter of drive and desire than being born into the right family set up.
Disagree. This is a an overgeneralization in my opinion. A roadmap to medicine is gained by experience not by having parents who are doctors. If someone wants this bad enough there are more than enough resources out there to set them up for success. I think it's more a matter of drive and desire than being born into the right family set up.
Exactly. The only resources that children of physicians have is the same resource any other middle class family would probably provide their children: Finances.
Two working middle class parents can provide the same finances to their children for their children to succeed in college if they wish.
Its really annoying how people think that just because your parent is a physician everything is easy. People will claim that your physician parent will be able to guide you through the app process.
Truth is if you have an immigrant physician parent, they might actually hinder your progress because they assume they know how the application system works in Canada and the USA.
Hell even if you dont have an immigrant physician parent, the application process and competitive atmosphere is a totally different world now.
Of course I will say... that if your parent is a dean or faculty member of a medical school..... that is a pretty significant resource.
Why is the majority of our country middle class (middle-low class) and yet the majority of medical schools is filled with people from the middle-upper and upper class? The reason is obvious.
You better believe that a child of a physician has an advantage over a child of a farmer.
What?! Did you even read the part where I said "two working middle class parents can provide the same finances to their children..."?
A farmer isnt part of the middle class ... USUALLY. Commercial farmers make a buttload of cash. I never made a reference to farmers or the working class?! I never claimed that working class families could easily put their children through college?
I think you chose to selectively read and ignore the part where I was talking about finances. Most middle to upper-middle class families can provide their children with sufficient financial resources, and they don't have
to be physicians to do it. The farmer thing just totally has nothing to do with anything I said.. lol
Why are med schools filled with children from the middle-upper and upper class? Clearly...children from middle-upper and upper class families have a benefit. Finances is only a small part of the equation (though a significant one). Students who are working through undergrad to make ends meet are at a disadvantage...no question. But that does not even include the roadmap to success that a close mentor can supply.
My advice to anyone who is poor and trying to become a physician is that they are going to have to go above and beyond to get to the same place. It's a cruel reality for many poor premeds...but it's the truth...and something they need to hear. They are going to have to go out of their way to find mentors. They are going to have to go out of their way to find shadowing opportunities. They will have to take SDN and pre-med committees at face value because they have no other choice by to push the "I believe" button. Though they may have moral support...they will be blazing their own trail. They are going to likely have to work through college to make ends meet. They are going to have to be more time efficient and self-directed to be able to assume all of the responsibilities of a premed. They will likely be scraping by to afford travel and applications for medical school. They won't be able to take a gap year to study for the MCAT and recharge their battery before med school. Feeling that medical school was EASIER than undergrad is not uncommon for many premeds coming from poor families. There appears to be a disconnect between what you want to believe...and reality. But that's fine...you're a premed.
And yet the socioeconomical status of your average med student is undeniable. Having work ethic and the right family members obviously can take you a long way. Please don't take this is a slight against the privileged or the poor. The bottom line...just as in any profession in life...if you are poor, you are going to have to work harder and have more initiative to get to the same place as child of a physician. To think otherwise is incredibly naïve and not helpful.
They won't be able to take a gap year to study for the MCAT and recharge their battery before med school. Feeling that medical school was EASIER than undergrad is not uncommon for many premeds coming from poor families. There appears to be a disconnect between what you want to believe...and reality. But that's fine...you're a premed.
And yet the socioeconomical status of your average med student is undeniable. Having work ethic and the right family members obviously can take you a long way. Please don't take this is a slight against the privileged or the poor. The bottom line...just as in any profession in life...if you are poor, you are going to have to work harder and have more initiative to get to the same place as child of a physician. To think otherwise is incredibly naïve and not helpful.
I financed my own gap year so that's not always true either.
At the end of the day having parents that are physicians doesn't guarantee anything. It has to come from the applicant's desire to care for people and pursue medicine.
Candidates who float through based on their parents pressure to do so and/or support, rather than their own desire to, are a danger to patients.
My learned colleague is on the mark here. At every interview I do, I can count on at least one of our panel being the child of doctors. So, if this holds true for our entire applicant pool, 20% are the progeny of doctors!
And yet the socioeconomical status of your average med student is undeniable. Having work ethic and the right family members obviously can take you a long way. Please don't take this is a slight against the privileged or the poor. The bottom line...just as in any profession in life...if you are poor, you are going to have to work harder and have more initiative to get to the same place as child of a physician. To think otherwise is incredibly naïve and not helpful.
Disagree. This is a an overgeneralization in my opinion. A roadmap to medicine is gained by experience not by having parents who are doctors. If someone wants this bad enough there are more than enough resources out there to set them up for success. I think it's more a matter of drive and desire than being born into the right family set up.
If your father were an alumnus of the DO program, then that could be a very good answer for the "why NYIT" question. Otherwise, I would only casually mention in the interview. Either way, it is unlikely that family members being alumni could benefit the applicant.
If his father is an alumnus at all that's a great "why NYIT" answer.
Did you not see the final scene in the blindside? "My mom went here, my dad went here, this is where we go to school"!
And yet somehow a very significant portion of my class in Med-School was occupied by children of doctors. This same thing occurs nationwide at nearly every school.
I nearly didn't get in, mostly because I had no guidance on how to actually get into med-school from someone who'd done it. Nobody in my family has ever been a doctor. Yet others in my class had parents or close family members who were in academic medicine and handed them awesome shadowing connections, research opportunities with colleagues, medical volunteering gigs with friends, and all the other fixin's of a great app.
The fact is, physician kids are extremely well represented in medical schools. Who better to have as a mentor to steer you along than one's parent?
And yet somehow a very significant portion of my class in Med-School was occupied by children of doctors. This same thing occurs nationwide at nearly every school.
I nearly didn't get in, mostly because I had no guidance on how to actually get into med-school from someone who'd done it. Nobody in my family has ever been a doctor. Yet others in my class had parents or close family members who were in academic medicine and handed them awesome shadowing connections, research opportunities with colleagues, medical volunteering gigs with friends, and all the other fixin's of a great app.
The fact is, physician kids are extremely well represented in medical schools. Who better to have as a mentor to steer you along than one's parent?
ITT: People arguing over the importance of SES. You guys better come to grips with this because it is not only a major factor in who gets where in life, but in how healthy they are. You're gonna run into it all the time in practice.
It helps to have a physician parent or close relative. In fact, it helps a lot. You simply cannot discount the obvious.
It helps, but not when you use it to talk about it in an interview that your parents were an alum.
Again, your opportunities would be better than people who don't have easy access, but a resourceful candidate will be able to find anything that a premeds' parents or close relative could and more.
To gain acceptance into a particular medical school, knowing certain people may help you, but all you need is someone who has strong ties to the adcom to that school.
That's still a pretty weak argument to wanting to go to a school. Compare this answer to someone else who researched the school and talked about the positives of that school.
Saying because my parents went here isn't going to cut it anymore. Unless your parents have strong ties to the adcoms.
You didn't nearly get in probably because you didn't do much EC's and/or your stats weren't good. A simple search on Google, Sdn, or even friends who have gone through the app process wouldve given you tips on how to.
While parents can provide hookups on how to get extracurricular experiences, it won't matter if the kid wasn't motivated enough to be in medicine. Having an easier time getting into things is a plus, but in the end it is all about the applicant. Who do you think is the more successful physician? The one where mommy and daddy pushes or someone who uses his/her own resources to get things done?
Any jackass can read a school's advertising flyer and write a glowing essay about the positives of that school. Hell, I did it for like 8 of them 5 years ago when I applied. ADCOM's know this and that's why they don't read most of those essays and just go off stats and geographical area of the applicant etc. ADCOM's want to fill seats with the best people possible. If an ADCOM at LECOM-E has two more or less equally good applicants, one from California and one from PA, you can bet the one from PA is getting the nod for the interview. Same applies for those two applicants at COMP, only the Cali applicant gets the nod. Both schools know the applicant who lives closer is more likely to choose their school. This same effect can be had with a family history of attending that school.
Only a select few can talk about having parents who went to the university. If I'm an admission committee member, that connection at least piques my interest. It's not going to cover any flaws in their app, but if they are otherwise qualified I'm going to want to interview them.
Nobody is claiming parent physicians are going to get a disinterested kid into medicine automatically. But if you take two equally motivated kids, one who's parent(s) are doctors, and one who's a first generation college student, who do you think is going to come out better on average when it's time to apply?
So we are agreeing on the same thing then. I've already talked about this previously. However, I think once you compare someone's parents who are upper middle class vs. someone who had physicians for parents, they're pretty much on an even ball park. With money, opportunities will always arise.
It may be slightly harder for someone to find a physician to shadow or research when they don't have influence, but the resources are still available. There are thousands of them out there. All you need is one to get your foot in through the door.