Does anyone have a rough % of how many applicants will be P/F this year

[kgamon8]

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Just wondering

 

[Redpancreas]

I don't have the answer but no one's replied for >48 so I'll guess. P/F started Jan 2022 per Google so 5% P, 95% scale. Next year it will be 90% P and 10% scale.

 

[Detailsmatter]

this is obviously just all speculation but id expect Class of 2023 to have like 30% ish of people with a Pass/Fail score. maybe even more who knows

 

[voxveritatisetlucis]

They should just change it back.

 

[efle]

They should just change it back.

Haha if anything, they're gonna have to drop the pass marker back down substantially. Already hearing lots of rumors about the MS2's having abysmal practice scores at the start of dedicated. Nobody is hammering Anki or extra Qbanks during MS1-MS2 anymore.

 

[Redpancreas]

Haha if anything, they're gonna have to drop the pass marker back down substantially. Already hearing lots of rumors about the MS2's having abysmal practice scores at the start of dedicated. Nobody is hammering Anki or extra Qbanks during MS1-MS2 anymore.

Medical students are doing complete 180s on this P/F thing and are seeking research opportunities as M1s and finding Step 2 CK resources. If I were in their shoes I’d also make drastic changes but I just get a vibe some will go overboard. There’s only so much BS research to pump out and Step 2 still relies on a fundamental base of Step 1 knowledge. As someone who spent years ranting on the wasted productivity spent memorizing details for Step 1, I get there’s a lot of frivolous detail on Step 1 most likely not relevant to Step 2, but most of Step 1 questions are still fair game for Step 2 and a fail on Step 1 will definitely be career altering. Also, I anticipate the better schools will modify their curriculum to make it M1/2 relevant to being a physician overall as opposed to cramming in previous Step 1 objectives so ignoring school content I hear a lot of students planning on doing may not be the solution (although I’m just speculating here and am far removed from this time).

 

[Captain_Falcon]

There's has been not a small number of questions I've come across either on NBMEs, shelf exams, UW that I got right only because of some vague detail i remembered from step 1

 

[efle]

Idk I felt like step 1 was pretty distinct from Step 2 CK and Step 3. The best way to study for the latter was always Uworld 2-3, never redoing old anki cards or Step 1 questions.

I think people will be able to move right into Uworld for Step 2 material without struggling much, even after barely passing Step 1.

In fact I predict we see Step 2 scores reaching new highs at exactly the same time that Step 1 has its pass criteria revised downwards!

 

[Lawpy]

Haha if anything, they're gonna have to drop the pass marker back down substantially. Already hearing lots of rumors about the MS2's having abysmal practice scores at the start of dedicated. Nobody is hammering Anki or extra Qbanks during MS1-MS2 anymore.

Medical students are doing complete 180s on this P/F thing and are seeking research opportunities as M1s and finding Step 2 CK resources. If I were in their shoes I’d also make drastic changes but I just get a vibe some will go overboard. There’s only so much BS research to pump out and Step 2 still relies on a fundamental base of Step 1 knowledge. As someone who spent years ranting on the wasted productivity spent memorizing details for Step 1, I get there’s a lot of frivolous detail on Step 1 most likely not relevant to Step 2, but most of Step 1 questions are still fair game for Step 2 and a fail on Step 1 will definitely be career altering. Also, I anticipate the better schools will modify their curriculum to make it M1/2 relevant to being a physician overall as opposed to cramming in previous Step 1 objectives so ignoring school content I hear a lot of students planning on doing may not be the solution (although I’m just speculating here and am far removed from this time).

Schools just need to reduce preclinical to one year and let people take Step 2 CK after MS2

 

[efle]

Schools just need to reduce preclinical to one year and let people take Step 2 CK after MS2

Yeah I think the recipe for success would be

1 year preclinical - take pass/fail step 1
1 year of dedicated research time built in
MS3 where you rotate half your cores, with generous time for electives/aways and a 6-8 week Step 2 CK dedicated
MS4 where you finish up the remaining cores and apply to residencies

I think this design would be way better for 1) figuring out what you want to do and 2) matching a competitive seat

 

[Lawpy]

Yeah I think the recipe for success would be

1 year preclinical - take pass/fail step 1
1 year of dedicated research time built in
MS3 where you rotate half your cores, with generous time for electives/aways and a 6-8 week Step 2 CK dedicated
MS4 where you finish up the remaining cores and apply to residencies

I think this design would be way better for 1) figuring out what you want to do and 2) matching a competitive seat

I think all the cores should be done in MS2 itself. No need to delay.