Does anyone have the graduation rate of all the DO schools?

[BlueMercury]

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I have had much trouble finding the graduation rates, matriculation to graduation. I would very much appreciate it if someone has this information. Thank you.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I have had much trouble finding the graduation rates, matriculation to graduation. I would very much appreciate it if someone has this information. Thank you.

Same as any US MD school. Attrition rates isn't something to worry about at US medical schools, osteo or allo. I'm sorry, don't have direct numbers though.

 

[Hokie06]

I agree, if your accepted into medical school, the admission committee believes you are competent and diligent enough to successfully finish their school curriculum. Just work hard when you get there and you will be fine. No school will want to deliberately fail their students! Im sure for those that do leave it is for personal reasons and not so much for academics (or at least I hope not!).

 

[BlueMercury]

I agree, if your accepted into medical school, the admission committee believes you are competent and diligent enough to successfully finish their school curriculum. Just work hard when you get there and you will be fine. No school will want to deliberately fail their students! Im sure for those that do leave it is for personal reasons and not so much for academics (or at least I hope not!).

I appreciate the encouragement. However, some schools care about their students much more than others. I feel the graduation rate sheds light on this fact and it makes me wonder why it could be so difficult to find hard numbers.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I appreciate the encouragement. However, some schools care about their students much more than others. I feel the graduation rate sheds light on this fact.

What is your basis for this claim??

 

[Bacchus]

I appreciate the encouragement. However, some schools care about their students much more than others. I feel the graduation rate sheds light on this fact and it makes me wonder why it could be so difficult to find hard numbers.

Besides facing an emergency (personal, familial) or actively not trying to pass/get help when you need it (saying F'it) or deciding medicine isn't for you, you will make it. None of these scenarios ends the road anyway.

 

[CoachPutMeIn]

10%. 90% of them fail, so run away. lol jk

 

[ShyRem]

graduation rates have nothing to do with how much a school supports it's students. there are schools that use old exams (and pass the old exams out) which essentially means no one fails any exams. And they teach to the boards and have mandatory board exams so everyone passes boards.

I wouldn't put much stock in attrition rates.

Remember there are three kinds of lies:
Lies. Damn lies. And then you have statistics.

 

[MossPoh]

No school wants you to fail or even wants people to leave. While medical school is an expensive proposition for the student, it is costly for the medical school to lose students as well. A medical school doesn't want to lose that tuition paying student and will work accordingly with them to make sure they graduate in almost all but the most extreme scenarios. The only times I've heard people leaving or failing to graduate were either from the old days or very extreme scenarios like a cancer diagnosis, death of parents (I know a person who lost their parents in a car accident), or just a complete loss of interest in medicine. That last one is probably the most common reason people don't graduate.

 

[Lokhtar]

graduation rates have nothing to do with how much a school supports it's students. there are schools that use old exams (and pass the old exams out) which essentially means no one fails any exams.

What schools are those?!?

 

[BlueMercury]

What is your basis for this claim??

If a school had a graduation rate of say 85% that would make me think. As opposed to 95%. A bad graduation rate says something about the school. Either they are not accepting a prepared enough student, people are failing out, or the school is not fostering an interest in medicine but the opposite. Now even if you do not agree with my reasoning these statistics matter to me. So all I am asking if anyone has these, I have searched quite a bit and come up empty-handed.

 

[ShyRem]

There have been a couple of people in my class who withdrew. basically the reasons were they didn't want to hack the work, didn't really understand how hard med school would be, missed their husbands/wives, missed having a life, couldn't handle the stress. Let's face it, med school is a shock. and if you don't really really love it, you're going to hate your life for quite a while. And there are also those folks who withdraw because they really can't handle the workload and fall terribly behind. They were fine in undergrad and did well, but were just unable to ramp up the workload to succeed in med school.

Problem is, most folks don't understand what they're getting into (although they say and likely really believe they do). Most med school matriculants adapt. Some can not. And some will not.

 

[scpod]

If a school had a graduation rate of say 85% that would make me think. As opposed to 95%. A bad graduation rate says something about the school. Either they are not accepting a prepared enough student, people are failing out, or the school is not fostering an interest in medicine but the opposite. Now even if you do not agree with my reasoning these statistics matter to me. So all I am asking if anyone has these, I have searched quite a bit and come up empty-handed.

To be a doctor you must learn to search better 🙂. A big part of medical school is simply learning where to find information. While particular schools are not listed in "official" attition data, I think table 11-b from the following publication will shed some interesting light on the subject.

http://publish.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/2006statrpt/Documents/ASROME2006.pdf

By far, as you'll notice the greatest attrition rate is in the first year. In the latest year available, though, only 1.01% (37 of 3646) total first year DO students were dismissed for academic failure. Another 0.41% (15 of 3646) dropped out while in poor academic standing and 0.44% (16 of 3646) took a leave of absense due to poor academic performance. More interesting is that of the total number who left, for any reason whatsoever, 44% (62 of 141) were for personal, NOT ACADEMIC, reasons.

Notice too, that by the fourth year, there were no dismissals, withdrawals or leaves of absense for poor academic reasons. There were, however, a small segment of fourth years (0.8%, 23 of 2825) who took a leave of absense due to failure to take/pass COMLEX.

You will find elsewhere in the same publication data on the number of first year students and the number graduating in the same year, yet you cannot extrapolate attrition data directly from that due to class size increases in several schools during that period. Unfortunately, newer data has not been yet published and several schools will not have graduating class data available at all. Yet, with some thorough investigation you might be able to glean valuable information and help make your decision more wisely when the time comes. Good luck

 

[J-Rad]

I appreciate the encouragement. However, some schools care about their students much more than others. I feel the graduation rate sheds light on this fact and it makes me wonder why it could be so difficult to find hard numbers.

Please be realistic in your expectations of this website. It can be a treasure trove of information and it can be a massive collection of useless opinion at times. It also cannot create data where none exists, or at least does not exist in a broadly public realm. The data you ask for probably does exist in some form at an individual-school level. But in general, attrition rates for medical schools accross the country are considered pretty low, so there's probably little incentive to push for wide disbursement of the information. At most you might get a smattering of people who may have asked the question during interviews or know either concrete data or subjective data (i.e. "I remember X members of my class not graduating") about a few cohorts of classes (but how much does that give you?). The truth is, if this information is truly important to you, and thus accuracy counts, then you're going to have to do the legwork. Call the schools you're interested in and ask them what they're attrition rate is.

 

[J-Rad]

To be a doctor...

Interesting. To the OP, while this won't answer questions at an individual level, you should be heartened that there is evidence that the data you seek should be available. Most likely at an individual school level, but maybe also at AACOM. Go forth...

 

[MossPoh]

If a school had a graduation rate of say 85% that would make me think. As opposed to 95%. A bad graduation rate says something about the school. Either they are not accepting a prepared enough student, people are failing out, or the school is not fostering an interest in medicine but the opposite. Now even if you do not agree with my reasoning these statistics matter to me. So all I am asking if anyone has these, I have searched quite a bit and come up empty-handed.

What we are driving at here is that no school in the US will have such a dramatic and consistent statistic for it to matter. You are searching for meaning in a meaningless statistic. Pretty much every school I've visited whether it is MD or DO has had virtually all the same types of programs and goals. They might differ in how they teach/present the material, geographic location, and basic rotation requirements but they all have one thing in common...the vast vast majority of their students graduate.

We are maybe talking of a .3-.7% difference between schools. This sounds more like you are paranoid that you might fail before you even start. Just do everything you need to get in some places and make a decision off of where you will be happiest. Happy and hard working students rarely drop out unless it is one of those non academic reasons.

 

[JaggerPlate]

If a school had a graduation rate of say 85% that would make me think. As opposed to 95%. A bad graduation rate says something about the school. Either they are not accepting a prepared enough student, people are failing out, or the school is not fostering an interest in medicine but the opposite. Now even if you do not agree with my reasoning these statistics matter to me. So all I am asking if anyone has these, I have searched quite a bit and come up empty-handed.

Your logic makes sense. However, with that said, I really doubt to find any US school that doesn't have >95% graduation rate. Probably closer to 99% (and, like others have said, drop outs are for personal reasons/crisis ... not because they were a subpar applicant who shouldn't have been accepted).

 

[LadyFire]

Your logic makes sense. However, with that said, I really doubt to find any US school that doesn't have >95% graduation rate. Probably closer to 99% (and, like others have said, drop outs are for personal reasons/crisis ... not because they were a subpar applicant who shouldn't have been accepted).

Over in the LECOM-Erie thread people have been saying they are current students and that dozens have dropped out or failed out, possibly upwards of 40+. Now I don't know how true those claims are especially given teh document posted earlier and using the class of 2008 graduation numbers. However it seems logical to be curious about the graduation rates for schools since I'm not so sure assuming all US schools have a high graduation rate is necessarily correct.

 

[ShyRem]

And the graduation rate can be further complicated by those people who take an extra year or two to finish the requirements, maternity leave, transfer to another institution, etc. Med school classes are fairly small, often less than 100 people. But to say (for example) that a school started with 80 students in the class of 2006 (entering year 2002) and graduated 79 in 2006 does not mean those 79 were the same 79 who entered in 2002.

 

[Bacchus]

Regardless of the rate...if you try you will more than likely succeed. Why would you strive for the 1-5% that do leave medical school?

 

[JaggerPlate]

Over in the LECOM-Erie thread people have been saying they are current students and that dozens have dropped out or failed out, possibly upwards of 40+. Now I don't know how true those claims are especially given teh document posted earlier and using the class of 2008 graduation numbers. However it seems logical to be curious about the graduation rates for schools since I'm not so sure assuming all US schools have a high graduation rate is necessarily correct.

Doubt it. The people are probably bugged with the school about something so they are exaggerating something like drop out numbers. 40+ people dropping out seems significant. I'd like to see their source.