I didn't mean it in the literal sense....but Chicago's civic orchestra is often used as a training ground for people who will eventually be auditioning for spots in the big leagues. A lot of people go up there to get the repetoire down, and then start making the rounds at major orchestra auditions (well, maybe not a lot of people, but I've certainly known quite a few that have gone that route). Or maybe I am thinking of a different chicago orchestra, but I'm pretty sure its Civic. It doesn't matter for me, though. I won't be in Chicago. I'll be going into a community orchestra if I can find one that has a manageable rehearsal schedule. Although ideally I would love to get a group together as a string quartet. (we'll see!) 🙂