Does it get better after med school

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Fourth-year med student here. I knew before I went into medical school that it often brought out subclinical mental illness. You always think it won't happen to you but here I am. I'm posting this tried to ask if people further along than me had similar experiences and came out better for it.I feel like I'm not interested in medicine. I don't recognize the pre-med I used to be who was excited about applying to school. I didn't mind preclinical that much, it was just like college but busier. But 3rd year was rough. I hated being a medical student. I hated being seen as a pain, not knowing anything, and dealing with the people. I feel like the people in medicine suck. There's so much ass kissing, backstabbing, and politics.I don't think anybody from school has notice but my life is a lot worse now than when I started. I don't pray anymore, I am drinking heavily, using drugs, I haven't gone into my sub internship for 3 weeks. My fiance says I've changed, and I know what I have, but we still keep getting into fights regularly. But I don't feel the thought of being a resident doesn't really excite me. It will be very busy and I won't have the lack of responsibilities like I do now. Just wondering if anybody else had a serious slump towards the end of medical school and weather feeling a sense of purpose in residency helped them.
 
Fourth-year med student here. I knew before I went into medical school that it often brought out subclinical mental illness. You always think it won't happen to you but here I am. I'm posting this tried to ask if people further along than me had similar experiences and came out better for it.I feel like I'm not interested in medicine. I don't recognize the pre-med I used to be who was excited about applying to school. I didn't mind preclinical that much, it was just like college but busier. But 3rd year was rough. I hated being a medical student. I hated being seen as a pain, not knowing anything, and dealing with the people. I feel like the people in medicine suck. There's so much ass kissing, backstabbing, and politics.I don't think anybody from school has notice but my life is a lot worse now than when I started. I don't pray anymore, I am drinking heavily, using drugs, I haven't gone into my sub internship for 3 weeks. My fiance says I've changed, and I know what I have, but we still keep getting into fights regularly. But I don't feel the thought of being a resident doesn't really excite me. It will be very busy and I won't have the lack of responsibilities like I do now. Just wondering if anybody else had a serious slump towards the end of medical school and weather feeling a sense of purpose in residency helped them.

That's much more than a slump. You need serious help. You probably need to take a break from school and evaluate your health and talk to a counselor.
 
Yeah I'm not going to do that because let's be real it'll throw red flags everywhere and mess up my professional life.
 
Uh you need a therapist yesterday. People have reactions to med school I'm sure but what you're talking about drinking and using drugs seems like you're coping for something but what do I know. If my fiance was reacting to med school like you are, I'd demand she talk to someone or we wouldn't be getting married.
 
Yeah I'm not going to do that because let's be real it'll throw red flags everywhere and mess up my professional life.

You should make an appointment with a psychiatrist and a counselor. You don't need to take a leave, but you definitely need to find help. You just admitted to being an alcoholic (or at least having alcoholic tendencies)... which is already a big step... because to get help takes acceptance that you have a problem....

But let's be real: Not a single person on here can tell you it will all be okay afterwards. It appears that, whether it was medicine, or something else, you'd really be in a bad spot regardless as long as the stakes are as high as they are in medical school and residency. For me, when the challenge of med school was confronting me, I worked harder to make myself adapt to be stronger than it. For that, I believe I am coming out an even stronger person than I was when I first started.

The challenge of medical school makes me stronger and makes me a better person. Why? Because I didn't allow myself to sink, because I have a genuine passion for the material, the connection, and I thrive on competition.

It appears for you to be the opposite - You have allowed yourself to spiral due to the "Backstabbing" the "Competition", the "politics" and are looking at everyone in medicine as if they "suck". It appears to me as if you've lost your passion or don't know what to do.
Most people in their 4th year are EXCITED about residency because they're pursuing a specific specialty they're genuinely passionate about. Do you have that? Are you not passionate? If not, then you need to seriously reconsider what you're doing because it WILL NOT GET EASIER WITH THIS ATTITUDE. You're not gonna walk into residency jaded and wake up 3 months later after having a horrible attitude and suddenly it will be okay.
You need to break the downward spiral you seem to be in. There's 1,000,000,000 things someone can tell you to do to get out of a depressive cycle - but let's be real, it just takes time and energy. You have to start waking up every day with goals on your to-do list for things that will make you happy. Whether that's simply sitting down and having coffee with your fiancé, going on a walk in the evenings, going to the gym together, you can't assume residency will be better than medical school. It's going to be way worse. You're essentially going to be a smelly resident living and breathing out of a hospital.

If you don't have a genuine passion for this, you will be miserable. But, you can counteract that by having enough outside of medicine to offer you sanity and keep you tethered to reality.

For what it's worth, I wish you the best and hope you are able to find what you're passionate about to break this downward cycle.

Worse case scenario you take a chill very rural residency somewhere with lower stress than the hustle and bustle of some ultra-competitive academic residency somewhere.
 
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OP, you need to take an LOA. I would do it now before you get stuck in the interview/residency cycle, because that's exceedingly hard to pause. I'd recommend talking to someone, you could do it anonymously, but at very least, you need to step back from medical school before you do some that damages your career, school, life, or the lives of those around you.

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Worse case scenario you take a chill very rural residency somewhere with lower stress than the hustle and bustle of some ultra-competitive academic residency somewhere.

Yeah, no matter what your residency, especially intern year, its going to suck. There are no truly "chill" residencies for intern year. You're going to be working harder than med school during all of them, and the sense that you don't know anything will peak during those first 6 mos. Sure maybe after intern year there are some programs that are laid back, you're spending your time doing mostly outpatient, days, etc., but there is no place that will be that way intern year.
 
OP your feelings towards medicine are more normal than you think. Your body and mind is actually trying to tell you something that you have been ignoring since high school, college, and medical school. Its an issue with most medical school students which is putting all your focus and energy into one basket which is your career. You have neglected having life experiences, hobbies, and finding the things you truly love. Like most people who only focus on their career and try to find happiness from it, you have come to the realization that your career cannot make you solely happy. And as result, you are simply burnout. My advice is during fourth year try and do new things outside of medicine. Travel outside the country, play sports/hobbies, hang with friends, take your fiancé out more, find a new show on Netflix you like, etc. If you do these things and de-vest less of your life in medicine, you will feel better although its still important to make sure you still fulfill your clinical duties. I would though get help from a therapist and psychiatrist for your drugs and alcohol problem because this can be a huge problem in the future.

And I'll be honest. Intern year is worse than all 4 years of medical school. So I would try to work on these issues asap.
 
I started seeing a therapist in my 3rd year and it helped me so much! There's more students who feel burnt out and disillusioned than you might think. Try thinking about what drew you to this career in the first place and really asking yourself if those expectations are still true. It can be healthy to think about whether or not this is the right path for you - remember that you always can do something else! Nobody is making you stay.

That being said - please talk to a small group advisor (if you have those) and find some way to get help! It's great you can come to this forum and express what has been going on but talking to someone in real life can be so helpful.

*hugs*
 
This thread will be closed soon.

You need professional help. In many places, it is or should be confidential.

Remember that in the end, if you've made a single difference in a pt's life, even if it's being kind to them helping them along in the shadow of a cancer diagnosis, then you had a great professional day.

The people who need help that help the most can't get that help. Then, they seek out permanent alternatives that are not the answer, for you, your friends, coworkers, and/or family. People before you have sought out help, and people before you haven't, many with poor outcomes that no one here wants to see.

I don't want to see you hurt yourself when help is possible. I've been there, and still even am. But I'm trying, and you want to as well b/c you're here looking for advice. But this isn't the place for that help.

But that help is available; talk to those in charge of affairs.

Sacrifices are necessary in medicine, but you deserve the right to not have to sacrifice your health and/or family. Be well. And good luck friend.
 
Yeah I'm not going to do that because let's be real it'll throw red flags everywhere and mess up my professional life.

If you’re skipping your sub-I, that’s already a massive red flag. Most residencies will also drug test, and if anything comes up, you’re out. It’s not just your personal life you’re destroying- you’re also harming your professional life already.

I hated 3rd year and definitely had situational depression... but I never drank/did drugs/skipped my sub-Is. the frustration is normal, but your response is not. And as people have alluded to already- intern year is also freaking hard. Not as bad as third year, but definitely harder than fourth year. If you’re struggling now, it won’t get better for a while.

Please reach out to someone and get help.
 
Not until after residency or at least after intern year it doesn’t. If 4th year is eating you up you must get medical help and/or reevaluate your future direction. Getting treatment for depression, anxiety, adhd whatever does not red flag your future - failing to get help (and therefore falling into substance disorder and unprofessional behavior) does. Already is, even. You may need the assist of your deans office and or PHP before you flunk out and get blacklisted, what with the drugs and nonattendance. Bright side: *with* such assistance and your cooperation with what may be draconian monitoring, you can come back from just about everything short of murder. Really. Otherwise you can go get another career or future.
 
Life can get better in some ways as you progress through training but mood disorders do not disappear after graduation.

You need to see a psychiatrist. If you don’t get treatment, it’s very possible that you will destroy your life trying to numb the your suffering with booze and drugs.
 
Take an emergent medical leave starting tomorrow and start day 1 of that leave getting a medical&mental health appointment and an appointment with the clergyperson of your religious faith. You have to reclaim yourself, your health and your values and purpose, it is a literal emergency.
 
seek medical help and let your school know that you are struggling, and consider taking a leave of absence. if you let your school know you need help, they will typically work with you and try to help you get back on the right track. if you fail or get kicked out, and then let them know the problems you've been having, then you're prob out of luck.
 
Fourth-year med student here. I knew before I went into medical school that it often brought out subclinical mental illness. You always think it won't happen to you but here I am. I'm posting this tried to ask if people further along than me had similar experiences and came out better for it.I feel like I'm not interested in medicine. I don't recognize the pre-med I used to be who was excited about applying to school. I didn't mind preclinical that much, it was just like college but busier. But 3rd year was rough. I hated being a medical student. I hated being seen as a pain, not knowing anything, and dealing with the people. I feel like the people in medicine suck. There's so much ass kissing, backstabbing, and politics.I don't think anybody from school has notice but my life is a lot worse now than when I started. I don't pray anymore, I am drinking heavily, using drugs, I haven't gone into my sub internship for 3 weeks. My fiance says I've changed, and I know what I have, but we still keep getting into fights regularly. But I don't feel the thought of being a resident doesn't really excite me. It will be very busy and I won't have the lack of responsibilities like I do now. Just wondering if anybody else had a serious slump towards the end of medical school and weather feeling a sense of purpose in residency helped them.

It is going to get worse before it gets better. intern year is the low point. Then it slowly gets better year by year (unless you subspecialize then first year of cards/GI blows as well).

A lot of your negativity and fatigue is likely due to how you live your life on a daily basis: let me guess you eat a poor diet, little sleep and are over caffeinated. Testosterone is likely low resulting in poor mood and excessive negativity.

Now how to fix:

Step 1: no more drugs (including alcohol and caffeine). Just stop. Slowly add caffeine back in a couple weeks if everything else is on track.
Step 2: at least 7, preferably >8 hours of sleep per night. A lack of sleep impairs mood, memory consolidation, metabolism. There is no nobility in getting by on little sleep.
Step 3: No fast food, no porn, no television, no instagram or other social media. Cut that trash out of your life.
Step 4: healthy diet and lift heavy weights several times per week.

I felt the exact same way as you. Unfortunately the fastest way out is straight through.

As someone who is getting ready to graduate from IM fellowship, it gets a lot better.

You must step up and tighten up your life to make it through the tough times.

Tough times don't last. Tough people do.
 
I feel like being a resident is a heck of a lot better than being a med student. You do work a lot, but you are learning a lot on the job while having real (not fake) responsibility.
 
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