does med school name matter?

[Fantasy Sports]

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So what....the chief resident in rad onc at Hopkins went to a Caribbean school

Anyone can do anything they want to do as long as they succeed where they are at. Study hard, do well on your boards, and you will compete with people at the best and worst schools.

Yes, let's make the exceptions sound like they're common. Since, you know, statistics are just so plain bland, and well, posting that a majority of Hopkins residents came from top ranked schools is well oh so boring (and thus not posted).

 

[makesomerheum]

If you read my post, I tried to clarify that I do not think that most use the label gunner for high achievers. It appears you might be a little upset about someone placing that label on a friend. I do not know your past experience, but I will say that some are jealous and try to denigrate others achievements, but this is not the case for me. Again, the key is methods to attainment of "intelligence" for the purpose of a grade.

 

[14022]

Yes, let's make the exceptions sound like they're common. Since, you know, statistics are just so plain bland, and well, posting that a majority of Hopkins residents came from top ranked schools is well oh so boring (and thus not posted).

I am merely pointing out that people at lower tier schools can and often do as well or better as people from higher tier schools. The basis of the claims that medical school has a lot to do of your future success is the perfect example of selection bias. The higher tier schools have a greater number of exceptionally smart people than the lower tier schools. Therefore, a greater number of students from the higher tier schools perform better on objective measures (eg, USMLE) in relation to the rest of the nation as compared to lower tier schools. Therefore, it is obvious that people from these higher tier schools would acheive better residency positions. BUT this has nothing to do with the school they attend. If you wanted to do a little experiment and arranged for Hopkins and Harvard to switch incoming classes with Rosalind Franklin and Ross, after four years of training I think the residency appointments would be fairly similar to what they would've been otherwise.

On another note, I have seen studies of surveys given to residency directors ranking certain applicant characteristics in order of importance when deciding where to rank an individual. Medical school was among the characteristics of lowest importance.

I will admit that people from lower tier schools will have trouble getting into places like Harvard and Hopkins and Yale (eg, Gearge W Bush), because these places have traditionally been places where nepotism runs rampant. But the fact that great institutions like Wash U, Northwestern, UCSF, Stanford, Baylor, UT-SW, and many others take students from several different medical schools of varying prestige, it is reasonable to say that medical school does not carry as much importance as the egos of the students at these highly ranked schools would allow them to think.

 

[sven]

I will admit that people from lower tier schools will have trouble getting into places like Harvard and Hopkins and Yale (eg, Gearge W Bush), because these places have traditionally been places where nepotism runs rampant.

Yes, connections do matter in medicine as in any other field. It's naive to think otherwise. I Just have to ask, though -- what does our "beloved" president have to do with Yale residency programs? Legacy preference at the undergraduate level is generally much more problematic than at the level of medical school and residency. While the Bush progeny will probably continue to go to Yale undergrad for generations, it's difficult to imagine a scenario were W could have gotten into the Yale neurosurg residency program with a hypothetical 200 on the boards. In medicine merit is necessary but not always sufficient to get you where you want to go. Connections are obviously a plus, but generally not a substitute.

 

[14022]

Yes, connections do matter in medicine as in any other field. It's naive to think otherwise. I Just have to ask, though -- what does our "beloved" president have to do with Yale residency programs? Legacy preference at the undergraduate level is generally much more problematic than at the level of medical school and residency. While the Bush progeny will probably continue to go to Yale undergrad for generations, it's difficult to imagine a scenario were W could have gotten into the Yale neurosurg residency program with a hypothetical 200 on the boards. In medicine merit is necessary but not always sufficient to get you where you want to go. Connections are obviously a plus, but generally not a substitute.

I was joking about W having anything to do with medicine, and it is sort of scary to think that merit has a lot more to do with getting a residency than being elected President of the US!

I am just saying that pointing out that the Harvard Rad Onc program has a lot of Harvard grads is pointless because these schools typically like to keep their own. I would like to see how their residents stack up on objective measures in relation to applicants from other programs. I would think (but have no evidence) that Harvard would take less qualified Harvard grads over slightly more qualified grads from lesser known schools.

 

[Ramoray]

Gw Law is like 9 or 10 last year, i dont know the rank this year but it has been top ten many times

 

[Fantasy Sports]

I was joking about W having anything to do with medicine, and it is sort of scary to think that merit has a lot more to do with getting a residency than being elected President of the US!

I am just saying that pointing out that the Harvard Rad Onc program has a lot of Harvard grads is pointless because these schools typically like to keep their own. I would like to see how their residents stack up on objective measures in relation to applicants from other programs. I would think (but have no evidence) that Harvard would take less qualified Harvard grads over slightly more qualified grads from lesser known schools.

But the other radoncs there are mainly from Yale, Hopkins, etc (with a few other schools there as well).

Im not saying you can't make it from a lesser known school, Im just saying its a heck of a lot harder. And people say that the head of the dept is from the Carribbean or a DO or whatever, but thats almost always the exception not the rule.

 

[Mumpu]

How about this:

People in lower-tier schools claim the name doesn't matter because they want to prove they don't suck because they are not at Hahvahd.

People at high-ranked schools claim the name matters because they want to prove $200,000 in student loans is money well spent.

 

[Fantasy Sports]

How about this:

People in lower-tier schools claim the name doesn't matter because they want to prove they don't suck because they are not at Hahvahd.

People at high-ranked schools claim the name matters because they want to prove $200,000 in student loans is money well spent.

So what does that make out of state University of Colorado students? 🙂

Just messing.

 

[14022]

People at high-ranked schools claim the name matters because they want to prove $200,000 in student loans is money well spent.

Slow down there buddy. I have over $200,000 in student loans and my school is nowhere near the top-tier. I didn't have much choice otherwise.