Does your medical school actually matter.

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Hello,

Currently I am attending or am going to attend Harvard University in the Fall. I am contemplating rather or not to attend Harvard's Medical School, or if I should return home to Michigan and study at the University of Michigan- Ann Arbor Medical School. If you were to go into private practice after your medical education, do you believe your choice of Medical School would effect your patient volume? I know most doctors do not have an issue with patient volume, but I am speaking from the standpoint of an average individual's mindset. They may think, "wow, he went to Harvard." Do you believe this would effect your patient volume?
 
absoultely my friend absolutely. Harvard is Harvard. Congrats!
 
Hello,

Currently I am attending or am going to attend Harvard University in the Fall. I am contemplating rather or not to attend Harvard's Medical School, or if I should return home to Michigan and study at the University of Michigan- Ann Arbor Medical School. If you were to go into private practice after your medical education, do you believe your choice of Medical School would effect your patient volume? I know most doctors do not have an issue with patient volume, but I am speaking from the standpoint of an average individual's mindset. They may think, "wow, he went to Harvard." Do you believe this would effect your patient volume?

No, I doubt it would affect patient volume in private practice.

But I'm confused. Are you going to Harvard for undergrad or have you already been accepted to HMS?
 
I just entered Harvard University, not the Medical School, and I will be starting there this Fall.
 
No offense, but first worry about getting accepted to those two amazing schools in a few years and then you can cross this bridge!

Yeah, I have to echo this. Don't worry about which med school to attend. You haven't even started college yet. Focus on that, then ask this question again in a few years. I would bet by then, you'll already know what you want to do.
 
I just entered Harvard University, not the Medical School, and I will be starting there this Fall.

I go to a US news unranked allopathic medical school in the US. Univeristy of Michigan is top 10 I think, and at that point the difference between Harvard and Michigan is just Ivy league vs non-Ivy league since both have an excellent research and clinical reputation (according to rankings). Thus, I can't imagine it would make a big difference in where you match or anything else in the future. To really assess this, however, look at the match list for Michigan vs Harvard and see where the med students match. Even more so, get hold or a document or ask the matchees if they matched at their top choice. Consider not only whether someone matched but if competitive specialties are matched at: Plastics, Derm, Ortho and Rads, for starters.

Now let me give you my take on the difference between top tier (Michigan, Harvard) vs bottom tier (look at the US News unranked schools). You will learn the exact same material in both schools because there is a national standardized exam process all medical students must go through to do well- the USMLE step exams. Further, you will (or can) use the same review books and have access to the same online resources Harvard kids use: First Aid, Robbins, BRS, Grays- whatever textbook you need to become a doctor you already have at your disposal. The only disadvantage content wise is that top schools sometimes have exclusive learning tools, such as online anatomy dissectors and they also tend to have knowledgeable, dynamic professors who enjoy teaching. Not always, but usually, simply b/c paid professors are happy professors.

Other differences in top tier vs bottom tier mainly involve access to resources: less research projects & less big name researchers, less "high quality = more money" hospitals, and of course a less reputable school name which reduces the automatic value some people will place in you. In terms of medical content and clinical skills, nearly everything you need to know is written in a book or in the minds of your professors, whether they are from a low tier school or not. Nailing down that residency spot will be mostly dependent on the knowledge you teach yourself (through books, tools, professors) and the skills you learn in school/hospital (through practice, watching others, mentors, etc.). KNowledge + skills are highly accessible no matter which school you go to. I have heard of Caribbean peeps scoring within top 1% of their STEPs and going to become chief of their departments. Learning material and skills is all up to you.

Everything else, namely research, reputation, quality of facilities, name recognition, will hurt you when applying to residencies. I know that even if I score a 270 on the Step 1 and honors alll my classes, the same kid from Harvard with those stats will nail that residency slot over me. By and large though, scores, grades and evals triumph over research. However, the biggest punch you will take it from not having famous/respected professors right you LOR. The best LOR I get from my school will still probably not be as famous or respected as one of the worst LOR from a professor at Harvard. This goes back to name recognition.

In short, most of your success after med school is independent of your med school b/c knowledge (scores, grades) + skills (evals) are mainly dependent on your own effort. Other factors, such as LOR, research, hospital quality and school reputation can hurt you.

Edit: I wrote this post not for you OP, but for anyone searching the threads about this topic so they have my take
 
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Although people say that it doesn't matter, it seems to make a difference if you compare the match list of a top school versus a middle-of-the-road school.

Now, whether that is due to the caliber of the students at these schools or the name itself.. I'm not sure. Probably a combination of the two. It's harder to quantify just how much influence name has, but it certainly can't hurt in terms of matching.
 
Well my only 2 cents that I can offer you is that if you go to a state school with in-state residence you will pay a significantly less amount in tuition.
 
Tuition aside, Harvard med school is on another level. The whole place is draped in gold and marble. Its ridiculous.
 
Tuition aside, Harvard med school is on another level. The whole place is draped in gold and marble. Its ridiculous.


I know you are joking, but the Mayo Clinic is actually like what you describe. Ive seen MGH and BW and they are nothing like the Clinic

(Disclaimer: I do go to Mayo but I am being fair. The only close school I would say is the Cleveland Clinic)
 
I know you are joking, but the Mayo Clinic is actually like what you describe. Ive seen MGH and BW and they are nothing like the Clinic

(Disclaimer: I do go to Mayo but I am being fair. The only close school I would say is the Cleveland Clinic)

Idk, I personally thought bwh/dfch had nicer facilities than mayo. None of them can touch my future hospital, though 🙂
 
I know you are joking, but the Mayo Clinic is actually like what you describe. Ive seen MGH and BW and they are nothing like the Clinic

(Disclaimer: I do go to Mayo but I am being fair. The only close school I would say is the Cleveland Clinic)

US News&World Best Hospital: MGH. Nationally ranked in 16 adult and 4 pediatric specialties. Theres a reason people say mgh stands for man's greatest hospital.
 
Hello,

Currently I am attending or am going to attend Harvard University in the Fall. I am contemplating rather or not to attend Harvard's Medical School, or if I should return home to Michigan and study at the University of Michigan- Ann Arbor Medical School. If you were to go into private practice after your medical education, do you believe your choice of Medical School would effect your patient volume? I know most doctors do not have an issue with patient volume, but I am speaking from the standpoint of an average individual's mindset. They may think, "wow, he went to Harvard." Do you believe this would effect your patient volume?

Stop finding ways to tell us you're going to Harvard! I've read this in three different posts now.

BTW, Harvard University and HMS are two totally different things, so if you think you've punched the golden ticket solely because you'll be attending the former, then you're in for a harsh awakening. When you get an acceptance to the schools you've mentioned above, then perhaps it will be time to have this conversation. Right now, you just come off as a naive freshman-to-be seeking attention.

Edit: FYI, Mr. Harvard Genius, there should be a comma after currently. Also, you cannot intend to attend and attend a school at the same time. Lastly, it's whether, not rather.
 
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Between you and me a comma after currently is not needed because it is a declarative statement. Also, I am attending is an independent clause that is being modified Currently. Since currently precedes this independent clause, it is not necessary. He is correct.
 
Between you and me a comma after currently is not needed because it is a declarative statement. Also, I am attending is an independent clause that is being modified Currently. Since currently precedes this independent clause, it is not necessary. He is correct.

Is he correct by saying I am attending or am going to attend HU in the Fall? What about his use of rather, is that correct as well? Also, did he use effect correctly, not once but twice?
 
The only disadvantage content wise is that top schools sometimes have exclusive learning tools, such as online anatomy dissectors and they also tend to have knowledgeable, dynamic professors who enjoy teaching. Not always, but usually, simply b/c paid professors are happy professors.

Bit of a gross generalization. A lower ranked school can just as easily have these.

And I think most professors are paid (at least at the pre-clinical level). As far as quality materials and teaching, you'll find great professors at schools regardless of rank (and, conversely, terrible teachers at both). Just to give you an idea, Linda Costanzo (of BRS Physiology) taught at VCU (she has since retired) and Edward Goljian (of Rapid Review) teaches at OSU (an osteopathic medical school). USNWR does not rank these schools in the top 20, yet thousands of med students yearly rely on the resources these two professors developed.

School admin attitude, culture, organization, and student education are not typically factored in to the rankings.
 
If you're responding to OP's question, then you're missing the point. He doesn't care about your opinion, he just wants to make it known that he is going to Harvard, like he has done in almost all of his posts so far.
 
I heard at Harvard Med they make you eat part of a Cadaver for initiation.
 
Is he correct by saying I am attending or am going to attend HU in the Fall? What about his use of rather, is that correct as well? Also, did he use effect correctly, not once but twice?

Effect should be Affect, but seriously guys. No one is going to take the time to continually proof read their posts.
 
Effect should be Affect, but seriously guys. No one is going to take the time to continually proof read their posts.

It all makes sense now. You are Genius19971995. That username was banned, and 'coincidentally', you appear on this thread defending OP's comments. Additional supporting evidence to follow:

1) you recently created your account
2) your posts seem strangely to coincide with Genius's posts
3) you mention chemical engineering, which isn't the most popular area of study, but once again, also happens to be the same thing Genius is interested in.
4) most blatantly, your new username is f****** crimson2016, how much more obvious could it be?

You're not fooling anyone. You lose.
 
It all makes sense now. You are Genius19971995. That username was banned, and 'coincidentally', you appear on this thread defending OP's comments. Additional supporting evidence to follow:

1) you recently created your account
2) your posts seem strangely to coincide with Genius's posts
3) you mention chemical engineering, which isn't the most popular area of study, but once again, also happens to be the same thing Genius is interested in.
4) most blatantly, your new username is f****** crimson2016, how much more obvious could it be?

You're not fooling anyone. You lose.

i think you need to turn off your computer, go outside, and enjoy life 👍
 
Ahhh, yeah. Get with the program. No computer + sunshine + chill pill broski!




All the more reason brosquito.

I'm out. Don't bother responding, because I won't be back on to read any of your clever quips.

Everyday it's something new. Someone's having a conniption over a beer pong table, suggesting Michele Bachmann could get a hold of the picture and use it to bring our current healthcare providers into disrepute. Next, it's the self-absorbed high schooler who finds yet another way to tell everyone he'll be attending Harvard. It's all adding up. The condescending medical students who, for lack of a better argument, hide behind an unwarranted sense of superiority. The "cheer up, old sport" crowd who have nothing to add to the conversation. And let's not forget the "I chose medicine because of my exceedingly rare intellectual capabilities" group. I can't take it anymore.
 
I'm out. Don't bother responding, because I won't be back on to read any of your clever quips.

Everyday it's something new. Someone's having a conniption over a beer pong table, suggesting Michele Bachmann could get a hold of the picture and use it to bring our current healthcare providers into disrepute. Next, it's the self-absorbed high schooler who finds yet another way to tell everyone he'll be attending Harvard. It's all adding up. The condescending medical students who, for lack of a better argument, hide behind an unwarranted sense of superiority. The "cheer up, old sport" crowd who have nothing to add to the conversation. And let's not forget the "I chose medicine because of my exceedingly rare intellectual capabilities" group. I can't take it anymore.


Check it out!! This guy's about to snap!!
 
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i think you need to turn off your computer, go outside, and enjoy life 👍

I'm out. Don't bother responding, because I won't be back on to read any of your clever quips.

Everyday it's something new. Someone's having a conniption over a beer pong table, suggesting Michele Bachmann could get a hold of the picture and use it to bring our current healthcare providers into disrepute. Next, it's the self-absorbed high schooler who finds yet another way to tell everyone he'll be attending Harvard. It's all adding up. The condescending medical students who, for lack of a better argument, hide behind an unwarranted sense of superiority. The "cheer up, old sport" crowd who have nothing to add to the conversation. And let's not forget the "I chose medicine because of my exceedingly rare intellectual capabilities" group. I can't take it anymore.

You are welcome! 👍
 
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