MD Doing really poorly on shelf exams

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I have been doing really poorly on shelf exams so far, ranging from 3rd percentile to 20th percentile, most commonly at 10th percentile. I feel so frustrated because I failed one shelf (surgery) and had to retake it, and did not honor all the other clerkships solely due to a low shelf score. Clerkships in my school have a cut-off of the lowest shelf score that you need in order to honor.
I have been studying pretty hard for the shelf exams. Used but sometimes did not finish the regular books that people here recommended like blueprints, BRS, SUTM, Pestana, watched all OME videos, and did all the questions in UWorld, pretest, Rx, Lange Q&A for psych etc (on average > 500-1000 questions per clerkship).
I never had problems with standardized exams or exams in general before M3. Took MCAT once and got 99th percentile. Scored in high 230s in step 1, 1st attempt. I was in top 1/3 in M1-M2. Preclinical years were P/F but have internal numerical grades. I go to a top 20 school if that matters. I do believe people in my school perform below national average on the shelf exams. I am currently at the bottom of my class in terms of shelf exams.
I feel I have exhausted my resources and could not figure what had I done wrong. I am so terrified of failing the shelf every time I take it.
Help!!!

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Stop wasting your time on books bro.

Use zanki step 2 subdeck of your current rotation + uworld. Guarentees you above average on the shelf.

Study smarter, not harder.

I am scoring above average on shelf exams but also cannot seem to hit that magical honors cutoff my school has. I have serious issues using text books and the UWorld I have done so far during my medicine clerkship, I haven’t done great on so I am not sure if I should burn through these... so, maybe Zanki is the way to go. Is this an app.. or? Ive read two chapters of Step Up to Medicine and it is so DRY. I have 8 weeks left to prepare for the shelf but any advice would be great.

OP, use AAFP for FM. They really helped me.
 
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I’m so thankful that OP made this thread.

I’m in the exact position and just got shredded for both FM and Surgery shelf exams being in the 20-40%, while doing excellent in both rotations in term of grades and feedbacks. I need to correct this crap ASAP. I mainly used books, OME, and OME notes and made my own Anki off those. I’m heavily considering just watch OME and not make any notes.

Has anyone tried the Visitor deck? If so, how do you do? I have Peds next and am thinking of doing both Zanki and Visitor decks to nail this thing down. For people killing these exams, let’s hear about what you do.
 
Na man go to Anki - powerful, intelligent flashcards

The mobile app is like 25 bucks

Depends on if you have a long commute or not if that'll be worth it for you

I personally prefer listening to podcasts during commutes so I'm not staring at my phone like an artard

Thank you!

Unfortunately, my commutes I have to drive and I use that as my time to jam hahah
 
Na man go to Anki - powerful, intelligent flashcards

The mobile app is like 25 bucks

Depends on if you have a long commute or not if that'll be worth it for you

I personally prefer listening to podcasts during commutes so I'm not staring at my phone like an artard

Sorry to sound dumb..
but when I type in Zanki to the deck list, I get a ton of results. What should i be looking for?
 
I have been doing really poorly on shelf exams so far, ranging from 3rd percentile to 20th percentile, most commonly at 10th percentile. I feel so frustrated because I failed one shelf (surgery) and had to retake it, and did not honor all the other clerkships solely due to a low shelf score. Clerkships in my school have a cut-off of the lowest shelf score that you need in order to honor.
I have been studying pretty hard for the shelf exams. Used but sometimes did not finish the regular books that people here recommended like blueprints, BRS, SUTM, Pestana, watched all OME videos, and did all the questions in UWorld, pretest, Rx, Lange Q&A for psych etc (on average > 500-1000 questions per clerkship).
I never had problems with standardized exams or exams in general before M3. Took MCAT once and got 99th percentile. Scored in high 230s in step 1, 1st attempt. I was in top 1/3 in M1-M2. Preclinical years were P/F but have internal numerical grades. I go to a top 20 school if that matters. I do believe people in my school perform below national average on the shelf exams. I am currently at the bottom of my class in terms of shelf exams.
I feel I have exhausted my resources and could not figure what had I done wrong. I am so terrified of failing the shelf every time I take it.
Help!!!

That high of an MCAT and doing well on standardized tests before that indicates that you probably have a high IQ. Getting only in the 230s on STEP1 and doing poorly on shelf exams means your memory is what holds you back.

Most med students have great memories. The field selects for that, so IQ actually is where many hit their ceiling. A few, and I am one of them, don't have the IQ ceiling affect them nearly as much the memory ceiling. Yes, memory is a component of IQ, so I recognize the confounding in this argument. Well recognized international tests btw try to eliminate this component by only trying to test for fluid over crystallized intellect. Granted, one in part begets the other and stuff like digit span is memory but once again there is confounding because that type of short term instant recall won't correlate perfectly to med school style brute force need to just know specific sets of thousands of words for several weeks at a time. Long story short, I think people like ourselves generally have very good fluid intelligence but lack the discipline and memory component of IQ to do well just from reading a lot of books and doing questions.

We have to hammer facts via space repetition. Getting Zanki down is perfect or even using an entity like firecracker. You have to know tons of facts and clinical scenarios cold. I went from the bottom quarter of my med school class to the top fifth in terms of STEP1 scores, and I've honored all my shelf exams so far. I literally stopped trying to understand deeply stuff I liked reading about and went for breadth over depth. I wanted to be able to recognize every disease, when I saw it and know the treatment right away. Perhaps, know a tiny bit of mechanism but nothing beyond that. I essentially tailored my studying more to the style of the exams and became more practical. You have to do the same thing.

There are other more fluid intelligence fields, where you have prospered a lot easier and better. But you are in med school now, so you have to do what you need to do to succeed. Coming here was a good first step. I did the same thing. Now just implement some of this advice. Also, you don't need more than 1 qbank. Maybe 2 max. Also take notes on any immediate fact you didn't know off the top of your head in the explanations. And also make DDX tables with weird facts that can help you pick out diseases easily (triads and such or like pale skin for Chediak Higashi or frontal balding for myotonic muscular dystrophy).

You have to remember that medicine is actually a glorified vocational school. Clerkships are the beginning of your apprenticeship, when you just entered the workshop and do either nothing or just usually hinder the speed of work. Residency is more when you are an effective apprentice. The key is to know the pragmatic stuff well. For example, stuff like vitamin deficiencies, poisons of all kinds, drug adverse effects that are reversible, and things that cause a lot of mortality are tested a lot.

Also, this is very key (and a nuance to the breadth vs. depth principle I stated earlier):

The weird manifestations of common diseases have a higher incidence than the common manifestations of weird diseases. Hence, the former is tested a lot more than the latter. Know the living **** out of ischemic heart disease, cerebral vascular accident, cancers (especially lung, colon, breast, prostate, and melanoma), diabetes, TB, AIDs, staph, strep, E. coli, and pseudomonas. That type of stuff shows up on every test.

Don't stress about cat scratch disease affecting the pulvinar and learning all the mechanisms about that. It's inefficient. Know that type of stuff superficially.
 
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We have to hammer facts via space repetition... You have to know tons of facts and clinical scenarios cold. I literally stopped trying to understand deeply stuff I liked reading about and went for breadth over depth. I wanted to be able to recognize every disease, when I saw it and know the treatment right away. Perhaps, know a tiny bit of mechanism but nothing beyond that. I essentially tailored my studying more to the style of the exams and became more practical. You have to do the same thing.

This is gold. It is more important to not miss any presentation than to know a particular disease process super deeply as an M3 in my eyes. This point highlights why something like zanki works so well for clinicals in M3. Breadth > depth for this year. So far I’ve honored everything as well - though that is due in part to me not being a complete tool bag.
 
Okay, since this is medicine there are a lot of cards. How many should I be doing a day? Im scared to death im not remembering anything though.
 
Okay, since this is medicine there are a lot of cards. How many should I be doing a day? Im scared to death im not remembering anything though.
Dude I don't want to come off as old but how in the hell are you already an M3?

EDIT: To actually answer the question-starting with medicine can be a kind of rough draw because you learn about internal medicine on every rotation more or less. I tried to do all the uworld questions in the first half to identify my weak spots and then try to improve over the second half. But don't get too discouraged if you aren't able to keep up the pace while you're on your tougher inpatient section-just try to know your patients and their stuff well.
 
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Dude I don't want to come off as old but how in the hell are you already an M3?

EDIT: To actually answer the question-starting with medicine can be a kind of rough draw because you learn about internal medicine on every rotation more or less. I tried to do all the uworld questions in the first half to identify my weak spots and then try to improve over the second half. But don't get too discouraged if you aren't able to keep up the pace while you're on your tougher inpatient section-just try to know your patients and their stuff well.

I ask myself that same question constantly!!

Thank you. I think I need to up the pace on Uworld for sure. I tried reading step up to medicine the first two weeks and that didnt work.
 
Okay let me start by saying this..
Anki is helping a LOT. There are so many Zanki cards for medicine and im afraid i wont finish them all. Meanwhile, the things I’ve reviewed with Zanki (all of cards, derm, immuno..other stuff), I am performing significantly better on UWorld than I am on the questions on material I haven’t used yet.

Is 40 new cards a day too much?
Is 40 UWorld questions a day for too much?
I did the calculations and that is about what I need to pull off to completely finish both. (Ya, what have I been doing the past five weeks? Long story, but wasted weeks reading a textbook, was sick at one point, moved at another... lazy at another, i burn out quickly with studying)

Where should I prioritize the NBMEs? I am half way through the rotation so I still have five weeks to go. So I am thinking this weekend is a good time to do an NBME.
 
Okay let me start by saying this..
Anki is helping a LOT. There are so many Zanki cards for medicine and im afraid i wont finish them all. Meanwhile, the things I’ve reviewed with Zanki (all of cards, derm, immuno..other stuff), I am performing significantly better on UWorld than I am on the questions on material I haven’t used yet.

Is 40 new cards a day too much?
Is 40 UWorld questions a day for too much?
I did the calculations and that is about what I need to pull off to completely finish both. (Ya, what have I been doing the past five weeks? Long story, but wasted weeks reading a textbook, was sick at one point, moved at another... lazy at another, i burn out quickly with studying)

Where should I prioritize the NBMEs? I am half way through the rotation so I still have five weeks to go. So I am thinking this weekend is a good time to do an NBME.

This depends shelf to shelf. 40 UW a day is good, even 40 every other day if you take your time reviewing. Always do mixed timed if you can, but if not or things are getting closer then try out subject by subject.

Five weeks is a long time, you can do it!
 
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