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Is there any hope after a 2.4gpa and 12&13 MCAT score. And those scores are not together, they are indivdual complete MCAT scores. I just need that school that will give me a 2nd chance in their Post Bacc or Masters Program. Am I fooling myself? I am sooooo tired of searching and I am out of ideas that won't set me back 3 years. I can deal with up to 2 years doing a post bacc. I just can't deal with just taking classes to boost up my score with no stucture and no guarantee that a med school will even look at me afterwards. I mean I would like a program that will have a pathway for me so that my future is not a toss up. Does anyone have a solution. I am beyond depressed at this point
 
blaque1703 said:
Is there any hope after a 2.4gpa and 12&13 MCAT score. And those scores are not together, they are indivdual complete MCAT scores. I just need that school that will give me a 2nd chance in their Post Bacc or Masters Program. Am I fooling myself? I am sooooo tired of searching and I am out of ideas that won't set me back 3 years. I can deal with up to 2 years doing a post bacc. I just can't deal with just taking classes to boost up my score with no stucture and no guarantee that a med school will even look at me afterwards. I mean I would like a program that will have a pathway for me so that my future is not a toss up. Does anyone have a solution. I am beyond depressed at this point

There are no guarentees in this process, first off. Second, most school have a minimum GPA cutoff of around 2.75 depending on the school just to be considered.

What you need to do is re-take the required courses you received less than a B in the first time around, and then take upper level science courses, all at the undergraduate level. I would do this at a local college. Yes, if you do not do this full time it will take you about 3 years, thats just life. Hopefully you can do very well and raise that GPA up into an acceptable range and get that MCAT up 10 points or so.

Otherwise there are plenty of other healthcare professions to look into, PA, NP, etc.

Do not take the MCAT again until you have these classes under your belt.

Good luck
 
There are no easy solutions. Also, you have no hope with a low gpa and a low MCAT. Thats just a fact, and anyone who tells you otherwise is not being kind, they are just being cruel. If you really want to go to med school, you will need to retake all the pre-req classes, get A's (which you presumably did not do the first time), retake the MCAT and see where you stand. If you manage to get a 3.7 gpa and pull you MCAT up to a 27+, you may have a shot. If not, you should consider other career options. Or, you can look into Caribbean schools.
 
I'd have to agree with the previous posts. SOME with less than 3.0 GPA's have gotten in but that is one very small number, and these people probably had post-bacc, and/or graduate GPA's to throw at the adcoms, not to mention some personal challenges like taking care of a family. Also these people tend to destroy the MCAT to offset the low GPA.

Now you have a few challenges here.

1) You need to bring the GPA, so post-bacc is the clear choice. However you might be ruled out of an official post bacc program, since most require a GPA of 2.7, and an 8 on each section of the MCAT. Thats the trend here in CA (UC's), however it may be different elsewhere. You can find a grad program that allows you to take upper division undergrad classes as electives, but you GPA may rule you out of that, and you will have to take the GRE. Although some programs may substitute MCAT for GRE, your MCAT may rule you out of that.

Perhaps the only route is to do an unofficial post-bacc program, where you pay per class, or attend a non-degree earning program. However these are expensive, and tend to tedious due to having last priority in picking classes.

2) Retake the MCAT. The average for people getting in nationally is about a 28, obviously higher is better, and most schools treat MCAT and GPA equally, so deficiency in one can hurt you the same way. The MCAT is beatable, one just has to know how to study for it, but I can't make any recommendations since each and everyone studies and takes tests in a different way. Reality is, retaking the MCAT will only improve your score by 1-2 points. But its not impossible to improve by 10-15 points either. I know a few of the non-trads that have done that, and I myself have done it.

As Sundarban1 said, DO NOT RETAKE the MCAT again until you are READY. Ready as in you are scoring well on practice tests from say the popular test services including the exams from AAMC. Of course under real exam conditions as well.

3) Retaking classes that you did poorly in is not a guarantee either if you are on the MD route. AMCAS will count BOTH grades, so the lower grade will still have an effect, while improvement in the class you retook is not as good as one would hope. This is because the adcoms will EXPECT you to have gotten an A. You have the advantage that others do not (those that got a B for example). Already taken the class, you are expected to get an A.

If you are going the DO route, retaking classes is better. They replace the crappy grade with the better one.

4) Now the real kicker is, as Sundarban1 pointed out, there is no real guarantee. GPA/MCAT scores get you into the application game. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. You will compete against people who had low grades because they worked all their lives, but then proved their academic worth by getting a 40 on their MCAT. One can say that they had "challenges" during undergrad and what not, but without proof, the adcoms could take it as a grain of salt. This is why it is so important to have high GPA's in post-bacc or grad school, and get a high MCAT to prove to them that you have the academic ability to excel in med school courses.

In all honesty, you will have to really think about this, since the first two years of med school consists of science classes. At the end of your second year, you will have to take the USMLE Step 1 exam which will test you on these concepts. It does not end, and only gets more challenging. Doing well in med school = getting a good residency.

Ask yourself, if you are to take a grad/med school course in say pharmacology/toxicology, or histology, would you get an A? A good foundation in ALL of the sciences that you had (and more) as an undergrad = success in med school classes. I took general pathology with the med students and I was amazed how it integrated physiology, general chemistry, cell biology, genetics, biochemistry, immunology, and god knows what else. My friends who did not have the strong background suffered greatly. Four of them failed the class.
 
Did you study and do your very best in these classes and on your MCAT? If so, your mind just isn't cut out for med school, and I'd move on to something else...
 
There are some schools in the Carribean where you may have a shot. You may want to scroll down the main forum page and find the forum for more direct advice on which schools might take you. Good luck
 
relentless11 said:
I'd have to agree with the previous posts. SOME with less than 3.0 GPA's have gotten in but that is one very small number, and these people probably had post-bacc, and/or graduate GPA's to throw at the adcoms, not to mention some personal challenges like taking care of a family. Also these people tend to destroy the MCAT to offset the low GPA.

Now you have a few challenges here.

1) You need to bring the GPA, so post-bacc is the clear choice. However you might be ruled out of an official post bacc program, since most require a GPA of 2.7, and an 8 on each section of the MCAT. Thats the trend here in CA (UC's), however it may be different elsewhere. You can find a grad program that allows you to take upper division undergrad classes as electives, but you GPA may rule you out of that, and you will have to take the GRE. Although some programs may substitute MCAT for GRE, your MCAT may rule you out of that.

Perhaps the only route is to do an unofficial post-bacc program, where you pay per class, or attend a non-degree earning program. However these are expensive, and tend to tedious due to having last priority in picking classes.

2) Retake the MCAT. The average for people getting in nationally is about a 28, obviously higher is better, and most schools treat MCAT and GPA equally, so deficiency in one can hurt you the same way. The MCAT is beatable, one just has to know how to study for it, but I can't make any recommendations since each and everyone studies and takes tests in a different way. Reality is, retaking the MCAT will only improve your score by 1-2 points. But its not impossible to improve by 10-15 points either. I know a few of the non-trads that have done that, and I myself have done it.

As Sundarban1 said, DO NOT RETAKE the MCAT again until you are READY. Ready as in you are scoring well on practice tests from say the popular test services including the exams from AAMC. Of course under real exam conditions as well.

3) Retaking classes that you did poorly in is not a guarantee either if you are on the MD route. AMCAS will count BOTH grades, so the lower grade will still have an effect, while improvement in the class you retook is not as good as one would hope. This is because the adcoms will EXPECT you to have gotten an A. You have the advantage that others do not (those that got a B for example). Already taken the class, you are expected to get an A.

If you are going the DO route, retaking classes is better. They replace the crappy grade with the better one.

4) Now the real kicker is, as Sundarban1 pointed out, there is no real guarantee. GPA/MCAT scores get you into the application game. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. You will compete against people who had low grades because they worked all their lives, but then proved their academic worth by getting a 40 on their MCAT. One can say that they had "challenges" during undergrad and what not, but without proof, the adcoms could take it as a grain of salt. This is why it is so important to have high GPA's in post-bacc or grad school, and get a high MCAT to prove to them that you have the academic ability to excel in med school courses.

In all honesty, you will have to really think about this, since the first two years of med school consists of science classes. At the end of your second year, you will have to take the USMLE Step 1 exam which will test you on these concepts. It does not end, and only gets more challenging. Doing well in med school = getting a good residency.

Ask yourself, if you are to take a grad/med school course in say pharmacology/toxicology, or histology, would you get an A? A good foundation in ALL of the sciences that you had (and more) as an undergrad = success in med school classes. I took general pathology with the med students and I was amazed how it integrated physiology, general chemistry, cell biology, genetics, biochemistry, immunology, and god knows what else. My friends who did not have the strong background suffered greatly. Four of them failed the class.


hey i saw that you wrote you yourself improve 10-15 points on the mcat and heard of those that did. Can you tell me more about it. I have a 17M and would like that to be in the high 20 and in get at least a 30. Is that possible? How did you do it? what was your score the first time and how long did u study for the second one? anything would help thanks a lot
 
V4viet said:
hey i saw that you wrote you yourself improve 10-15 points on the mcat and heard of those that did. Can you tell me more about it. I have a 17M and would like that to be in the high 20 and in get at least a 30. Is that possible? How did you do it? what was your score the first time and how long did u study for the second one? anything would help thanks a lot

I was supporting my family, and taking a full-time courseload when I took the MCAT the first time. So my capacity to study was challenged by my other obligations. If i recall, i had like a 24 on my 2001 MCAT. My most recent score was from 2004, which is a 36. It was essentially due to amount of free time, and my studying/test taking mentality. The MCAT isn't all that bad, and in some sick way, it pretty fun to take (well not really the Verbal section). It wasn't really due to any study method, or whatever, I was aggressive, determined. 3-4 weeks before the real exam I was at a 34Q or something on our practice exams. So more free time did a lot. Ironically, having started a PhD program now, my 36 will "expire" in the eyes of the UC's when i finish my degree...so I'll take it again..haha. Its all good. Anyway, another one of the non-trads broke 40 I think, but she's already insanely smart anyway so not at all surprising...right Quimica?😉 👍

So yea, its not impossible, but you really have to know your true capacity to do well. I knew it up front because most of my day was spent working, and going to school leaving little time for the MCAT. Everybody has their own way of studying, especially for the Verbal Section. I just read the questions first, rather than read the passage. Works for some, but not all.
 
Before you do anything, sit down and ask yourself why your GPA is a 2.4 and why you have two MCAT scores <15 on record. Did you have good study habits? Did you take your MCAT prep seriously?

In this case, it's better for you if the answers to both of those questions are, "No". Because if the answer to either of those questions is "Yes", it's probably not going to happen for you. The reality is that you need to be capable of getting A's and B's in ALL of your science classes and be capable of scoring in the high 20s on the MCAT. Medical schools want people who are capable of handling the curriculum AND who are willing to work hard enough to do so.

If you've just been doing the bare minimum to get by in your undergrad classes and have just been showing up to your testing center having only glanced over some review materials a few days before the MCAT, the good news is that with hard work (re)taking all your science pre-reqs, you could be ready to take the MCAT and apply to a linkage program (unless you get straight A's AND score in the mid to high 30s on your MCAT, you will probably still need to do a linkage program before medical school) 2 or 3 years from now. Given the 12 and 13, you might be looking at also spending an entire summer devoted to JUST MCAT preparation before taking it in August, AFTER completing (or re-completing) all your prereqs.

Screwing up in undergrad means you've made things harder on yourself. Taking the MCAT twice and going poorly both times also makes things more difficult. You have closed all the "easy" roads to medical school, but you haven't necessarily closed ALL of the roads to medical school. Your road is just longer now. Most advisors you talk to you will not give you much of a chance. But you are not the first person advisors have written off.

2-3 years minimum. Realistically, probably more like 4 before you are competitive, which will probably require a linkage program like Georgetown AFTER 2-3 years of getting good grades in premed pre-req courses. Your road begins today, even if you're not with an official program. There are no guarantees, and it's going to be you against people who've been getting A's and B's throughout their academic careers and scored 30s on their MCAT on their first try. You are the underdog. I think you know this.

And if that doesn't make you excited, then this is the wrong field for you. If you read "4 years until you are competitive" and groan, thinking, "I can't take having to do 4 years before applying to medical school with no guarantees," then your first step will have to be changing your mentality before even thinking about going down this road. It is going to be a long road, don't deceive yourself into thinking that it's not.

This is your chance to stare adversity in the face and beat it down. Your chance to go against the world and win. That is the mentality you need to have. Every challenge is a chance for you to shine. And if, 2 or 3 years from now, you get into a medical school somewhere, you will be that guy everyone talks about. "He had a 2.4 and a 13 MCAT, and he worked his ass off and ended up getting into School X a couple years later! If he can do it, you can too!"

That could be you. My advice? Pretend you're starting from scratch. Pretend you're just beginning your undergrad career again. You have 4 years. Start strong. Get A's and B's in your freshman year. Keep getting A's through your sophomore year. You're going to graduate a year early, as a junior. You going to do a year of grad school before medical school.

For now, forget that you even had an undergrad career before today. It doesn't go away that easily, but for you, you are starting with a clean slate starting today. What are you going to do now with your second chance?

Good luck.
 
blaque1703 said:
Is there any hope after a 2.4gpa and 12&13 MCAT score. And those scores are not together, they are indivdual complete MCAT scores. I just need that school that will give me a 2nd chance in their Post Bacc or Masters Program. Am I fooling myself? I am sooooo tired of searching and I am out of ideas that won't set me back 3 years. I can deal with up to 2 years doing a post bacc. I just can't deal with just taking classes to boost up my score with no stucture and no guarantee that a med school will even look at me afterwards. I mean I would like a program that will have a pathway for me so that my future is not a toss up. Does anyone have a solution. I am beyond depressed at this point

Honestly, getting your numbers up to an acceptable range will be an exhausting, painful process. It will take lots of time, dedication, and most likely a total overhaul on your current lifestyle/work ethic. Even if you work as hard as you possibly can and get better grades than ever, you will still be below the competitive numbers and will be wondering the whole time whether it will all be worth it (this is what I'm going through right now). Do you have what it takes? It probably won't be done in 2 years.

I think the best answer will be to enroll in some bost-bacc classes. Work your arse off and see how it goes. If you get A's, great. Keep working. Take it one step at a time. If you work as hard as you possibly can and keep getting C's, then it's not worth your time. Only you can decide if this is something you are capable of, but anything is possible. It's really up to you.
 
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